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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 4 @ 9:21 AM ET
The Flyers went 0-for-3 on the power play, including a costly failed 5-on-3.
-Bmeltzer

This statement right here is exactly what I have been posting for quite some time now, when you get to crunch time in the season and play against a good team, it comes down to did you take advantage of your chances, and clearly the Flyers did not. AV also mentioned last night in his post game presser that he felt his team had enough chances to win and just couldn't convert, a common theme this year. I don't know about the rest of you, but the way Foerster is lighting up the AHL, I hope we seem him playing for the Flyers before the season ends. We have got to get some finishers on this team ASAP!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 4 @ 9:26 AM ET
Traditionally, the Flyers have never been a skillful team. As an organization, they prefer the lunch pail mentality because, well, that is what wokred 45 years ago. Quite boring and un-entertaining. I'd rather lose with flash than win with slog. Probably not a popular opinion, but my first goal when I tune in is to be entertained.....
- mr4tno



Yea, I'm not entertained by losing. The list of highly skilled players in the Flyers history is endless. Look at who they draft to how what they prefer.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Apr 4 @ 9:28 AM ET
This statement right here is exactly what I have been posting for quite some time now, when you get to crunch time in the season and play against a good team, it comes down to did you take advantage of your chances, and clearly the Flyers did not. AV also mentioned last night in his post game presser that he felt his team had enough chances to win and just couldn't convert, a common theme this year. I don't know about the rest of you, but the way Foerster is lighting up the AHL, I hope we seem him playing for the Flyers before the season ends. We have got to get some finishers on this team ASAP!
- jd250

How Therian still has a job running the pp is mind boggling. Well not really he is part of the ole boys club that can do no wrong.

Clear as day Ivan isn't a pp qb. So easy t defend their PP
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 4 @ 9:28 AM ET
Put Jakey on waivers just for that shoot out move alone. WTF was that? Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

I'm with you on that one!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 4 @ 9:30 AM ET
This statement right here is exactly what I have been posting for quite some time now, when you get to crunch time in the season and play against a good team, it comes down to did you take advantage of your chances, and clearly the Flyers did not. AV also mentioned last night in his post game presser that he felt his team had enough chances to win and just couldn't convert, a common theme this year. I don't know about the rest of you, but the way Foerster is lighting up the AHL, I hope we seem him playing for the Flyers before the season ends. We have got to get some finishers on this team ASAP!
- jd250



19 year old to the rescue.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 4 @ 9:32 AM ET
How Therian still has a job running the pp is mind boggling. Well not really he is part of the ole boys club that can do no wrong.

Clear as day Ivan isn't a pp qb. So easy to defend their PP

- login

Yes, I agree. They need more snipers but they clearly need a better PP coach. I for one cannot stand these so-called slingshot plays; it seems to me the Flyers waste more time trying to look fancy versus getting set up in the O-zone and generating shots. York QB'd the PP for team USA during the WJCs, maybe they will give him a shot here before the season ends.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 4 @ 9:33 AM ET
19 year old to the rescue.
- MJL

Well, what other options are there? I can't see Fletcher trading for anyone at the deadline, so the Flyers just need to hit on some of these picks.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 4 @ 9:35 AM ET
mr4...

Yup, Lindros, Renberg, Recchi, Tocchet, Forsberg, Gagne, Eklund, Sinasalo, Clarke, Leach, Barber, Howe, Desjardins, and so many others were totally void of skill.

I’ll take those sloggers any day of the week.

- BroadSTmayhem

An Ilkka Sinisalo reference ... I love it! A lot of people may not know he scored 19 PP goals one season!
BroadSTmayhem
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2012

Apr 4 @ 9:36 AM ET
An Ilkka Sinisalo reference ... I love it! A lot of people may not know he scored 19 PP goals one season!
- jd250

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 4 @ 9:36 AM ET
Well, what other options are there. I can't see Fletcher trading for anyone at the deadline, so the Flyers just need to hit on some of these picks.
- jd250


I think personally that this season is lost. We can see on the Flyers what happens when you rush young players and give them too much too soon. Foerster's play in the AHL is extremely encouraging for a 19 year old. I would not bring him up. When his junior league starts back up, I would let him go back down and finish that out. Then bring him into camp next season and see what happens.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Apr 4 @ 9:45 AM ET
I think personally that this season is lost. We can see on the Flyers what happens when you rush young players and give them too much too soon. Foerster's play in the AHL is extremely encouraging for a 19 year old. I would not bring him up. When his junior league starts back up, I would let him go back down and finish that out. Then bring him into camp next season and see what happens.
- MJL

Who have they rushed? Who fall into the too much too soon category?
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 9:57 AM ET
I think personally that this season is lost. We can see on the Flyers what happens when you rush young players and give them too much too soon. Foerster's play in the AHL is extremely encouraging for a 19 year old. I would not bring him up. When his junior league starts back up, I would let him go back down and finish that out. Then bring him into camp next season and see what happens.
- MJL

Who was rushed? Who didn’t deserve spot on team? They most certainly were not rushed. Except possibly hart coming up a little early. There’s nothing wrong with continuing development at nhl level as long as you understand the growing pains. And when you have rebuilt your whole team from bottom up you’re gonna have a lot of young players coming up at same time. The issue with poopty flyers is thinking they could win with g/Jake as the “stars” of team. Not only was that never happening it’s not happening with coots either. You have to turn the roster over (especially vets) at least twice when you build from bottom up. Look at kings. 8-9 years of building and turning vets over. Then when they had a few layers of young guys hitting prime (quick,kopitar, doughty,etc) they traded for vets to put them over top like Richards. They moved assets they had stocked (Simmons,scheen etc) that’s what we should’ve started a few seasons ago. Move g/Jake but we didn’t. Because were philly and dumb per usual. We fire hexy and bring fletch in to sit on hands essentially because a bean counter is butt hurt. So that shipped sailed. Move them this off season. Won’t get much but clear some cap and open up for new environment lead by young guys. It’s actually time now to trade coots because we aren’t winning with him either. Great asset to move this off season. The young guys are fine on this team. More are coming. It was always a 10 year rebuild. Look at kings. You aren’t ever in a cap world doing it in less time when you gotta build it ALL from scratch. Plus rid team of bad contracts from start.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:00 AM ET
How Therian still has a job running the pp is mind boggling. Well not really he is part of the ole boys club that can do no wrong.

Clear as day Ivan isn't a pp qb. So easy t defend their PP

- login

York will be here next year. Will have growing pains but it’ll slot provy off pp finally actually idk why they didn’t just put sanheim or Myers for that matter on pp1 and just leave them there
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Apr 4 @ 10:01 AM ET
York will be here next year. Will have growing pains but it’ll slot provy off pp finally actually idk why they didn’t just put sanheim or Myers for that matter on pp1 and just leave them there
- SMS4016

Even if Yok i here; I have little faith in the coaches to use him properly.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:03 AM ET
York will be here next year. Will have growing pains but it’ll slot provy off pp finally actually idk why they didn’t just put sanheim or Myers for that matter on pp1 and just leave them there
- SMS4016

Oh wait I forgot... we have a great pp qb (ghost) that still on team somehow. I mean he’s so great no one claims him from waiver wire. That’s very telling.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:07 AM ET
Even if Yok i here; I have little faith in the coaches to use him properly.
- login

Well on pp it’s not really too hard to mess him up. He only has to sit there and dish pass off. Not get shot. Locked all the time and be able to hold the damn line like provy rarely can. York is already ready to handle that. Not saying our pp will be good because it won’t with idk stiffs standing around no puck movement usual crap but at least provy will slot off pp. shouldn’t even be on pp2 if you ask me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:13 AM ET
Who was rushed? Who didn’t deserve spot on team? They most certainly were not rushed. Except possibly hart coming up a little early. There’s nothing wrong with continuing development at nhl level as long as you understand the growing pains. And when you have rebuilt your whole team from bottom up you’re gonna have a lot of young players coming up at same time. The issue with poopty flyers is thinking they could win with g/Jake as the “stars” of team. Not only was that never happening it’s not happening with coots either. You have to turn the roster over (especially vets) at least twice when you build from bottom up. Look at kings. 8-9 years of building and turning vets over. Then when they had a few layers of young guys hitting prime (quick,kopitar, doughty,etc) they traded for vets to put them over top like Richards. They moved assets they had stocked (Simmons,scheen etc) that’s what we should’ve started a few seasons ago. Move g/Jake but we didn’t. Because were philly and dumb per usual. We fire hexy and bring fletch in to sit on hands essentially because a bean counter is butt hurt. So that shipped sailed. Move them this off season. Won’t get much but clear some cap and open up for new environment lead by young guys. It’s actually time now to trade coots because we aren’t winning with him either. Great asset to move this off season. The young guys are fine on this team. More are coming. It was always a 10 year rebuild. Look at kings. You aren’t ever in a cap world doing it in less time when you gotta build it ALL from scratch. Plus rid team of bad contracts from start.
- SMS4016


Stating that a player is rushed does not necessarily mean that they don't deserve a spot on the team.
Did those LA teams have any veteran players other than those you mentioned?
You cannot have a team of just young players. You need veteran support.
I agree with you about the Hextall firing.
Any talk of trading Couturier is silly in my opinion unless blown away with a deal you can't turn down.
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Apr 4 @ 10:13 AM ET
Well on pp it’s not really too hard to mess him up. He only has to sit there and dish pass off. Not get shot. Locked all the time and be able to hold the damn line like provy rarely can. York is already ready to handle that. Not saying our pp will be good because it won’t with idk stiffs standing around no puck movement usual crap but at least provy will slot off pp. shouldn’t even be on pp2 if you ask me.
- SMS4016

They wont use him there is my point.
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Philadelphia Flyers
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Apr 4 @ 10:14 AM ET
Stating that a player is rushed does not necessarily mean that they don't deserve a spot on the team.
Did those LA teams have any veteran players other than those you mentioned?
You cannot have a team of just young players. You need veteran support.
I agree with you about the Hextall firing.
Any talk of trading Couturier is silly in my opinion unless blown away with a deal you can't turn down.

- MJL

Who was rushed? This team needs new veterans, a new respected voice.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:14 AM ET
They wont use him there is my point.
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Oh York will most definitely be pp1 qb
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:16 AM ET
York will be here next year. Will have growing pains but it’ll slot provy off pp finally actually idk why they didn’t just put sanheim or Myers for that matter on pp1 and just leave them there
- SMS4016


I would be extremely surprised to see York replace Provorov on the PP. To my knowledge, he is not that kind of player.
I don't think Provorov is great on the PP but he is still a better choice than Sanheim or Myers.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:27 AM ET
Stating that a player is rushed does not necessarily mean that they don't deserve a spot on the team.
Did those LA teams have any veteran players other than those you mentioned?
You cannot have a team of just young players. You need veteran support.
I agree with you about the Hextall firing.
Any talk of trading Couturier is silly in my opinion unless blown away with a deal you can't turn down.

- MJL


Those kings team when building yes certainly had vets. But the difference was they recognized they weren’t going to contend with them. The recognized the core of the young guys I mentioned and when they were hitting there prime (with 2nd wave and 3rd wave of young guys coming) that’s when they started moving prime assets like Simmons/scheen etc for young vets in prime like Richards Carter to put them over the top. No one is saying not to have vets. But you can’t have vets signed to 567 year deals with big cap numbers when you have young guys that not only have to be paid but also SHOULD be the leaders on ice. For example it makes zero sense to go get 30 year old ekholm who contract up soon and need really good money when we have sanheim/Myers to fill that spot soon for cheaper. Or sign coots with 10 years on body long term big money which as time goes will hamper team. G Jake coots Jvr all should be gone. Keeping g Jake the last few years trying to win was dumb. Rest of team wasn’t ready. Not to mention we didn’t even have a goalie. It wasn’t go time. I talk a lot of smack with the team. But only because I know we weren’t real contenders. I’ve enjoyed the process of hexy. We have a lot of really good pieces under 25 and more coming. G Jake Jvr would be great pieces at lesser cap dollars on good true contenders. Like Vegas or avs or something. Not on a young rebuilding team
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:29 AM ET
I would be extremely surprised to see York replace Provorov on the PP. To my knowledge, he is not that kind of player.
I don't think Provorov is great on the PP but he is still a better choice than Sanheim or Myers.

- MJL

Ummmm seriously. He’s always been ppqb. On usndt college team. World jrs? Captain team USA. Did you not watch? That’s what he’s known for. But he unlike a poopty ghost actually holds his own in defensive zone
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 4 @ 10:29 AM ET
Ummmm seriously. He’s always been ppqb. On usndt college team. World jrs? Captain team USA. Did you not watch? That’s what he’s known for. But he unlike a poopty ghost actually holds his own in defensive zone
- SMS4016

Think krug running pp in Boston.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 4 @ 10:38 AM ET
Those kings team when building yes certainly had vets. But the difference was they recognized they weren’t going to contend with them. The recognized the core of the young guys I mentioned and when they were hitting there prime (with 2nd wave and 3rd wave of young guys coming) that’s when they started moving prime assets like Simmons/scheen etc for young vets in prime like Richards Carter to put them over the top. No one is saying not to have vets. But you can’t have vets signed to 567 year deals with big cap numbers when you have young guys that not only have to be paid but also SHOULD be the leaders on ice. For example it makes zero sense to go get 30 year old ekholm who contract up soon and need really good money when we have sanheim/Myers to fill that spot soon for cheaper. Or sign coots with 10 years on body long term big money which as time goes will hamper team. G Jake coots Jvr all should be gone. Keeping g Jake the last few years trying to win was dumb. Rest of team wasn’t ready. If Not to mention we didn’t even have a goalie. It wasn’t go time. I talk a lot of smack with the team. But only because I know we weren’t real contenders. I’ve enjoyed the process of hexy. We have a lot of really good pieces under 25 and more coming. G Jake Jvr would be great pieces at lesser cap dollars on good true contenders. Like Vegas or avs or something. Not on a young rebuilding team
- SMS4016


If Couturier, Giroux, JVR and Voracek all should be gone. Who will be the veterans on the team? What about Hayes? Who will be the #1 center?



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