They kinda did and that was without a healthy Datsyuk and a suspension that should have been given to Malkin but oh well.
- Feds91Stammer

And Crosby barely played the last half of Game 7...

And Crosby barely played the last half of Game 7...
- MattStrat

I don’t care.

Here we go on the PDO/luck train...

The absolute dumbest thing the "advanced stat" world has brought us. Any "stat" used to try to quantify luck is garbage.

The Penguins are overall playing good hockey, today aside. When they get everyone healthy and possible get some help via trade I'm excited to see what they can do. They are by far surpassing what I thought they could do this year.
- MacPatty

PDO quantifies random variability. Find me a player with 500+ games played and a PDO well above 100.

Well said...

I don’t care.
- Feds91Stammer

Detroit sucks! And nobody cares! Not even Detroit fans that post on Pens blogs!

Those teams were loaded with studs. Kennedy. Glass. Rupp. Adams. Cooke. Murray. Engelland. Vitale. Etc.
- Feds91Stammer

Hey Cooke was a stud in my books. Didn’t mind Engo either.

Listen stat boy i have something to say that you won't like. We need a big physical DMAN to clear the crease which is where Boston scored from today. If we don't get one we will skate fastly away after the first round.

That is a great response post, no question. I've always understood the prolonged success factor with it I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the how the number gets there because those 2017 Penguins were hemorrhaging quality chances against on the regular. These ones are not for the most part and to Feds point, quality of comp is def a factor but not the whole story to my eyes.
- MattStrat

They actually weren't hemorrhaging high dangers. Their problem was more they couldn't create anything and their percentages were bad.

I'm sure it was worse half way through the playoffs, but Dumoulin gave up 8 HDSC/60 in the playoffs and 10.5 HDSC/60 in the regular season. Hainsey was at 7. They lived in their own zone the 1st 2 rounds, but they limited the HDSCs against.

They actually weren't hemorrhaging high dangers. Their problem was more they couldn't create anything and their percentages were bad.

I'm sure it was worse half way through the playoffs, but Dumoulin gave up 8 HDSC/60 in the playoffs and 10.5 HDSC/60 in the regular season. Hainsey was at 7. They lived in their own zone the 1st 2 rounds, but they limited the HDSCs against.
- Tojo.

It was the AV Rangers but with Sid, Geno, Phil, and Jake running the counter instead of Stepan and Brasard.

Listen stat boy i have something to say that you won't like. We need a big physical DMAN to clear the crease which is where Boston scored from today. If we don't get one we will skate fastly away after the first round.
- pozone

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They actually weren't hemorrhaging high dangers. Their problem was more they couldn't create anything and their percentages were bad.

I'm sure it was worse half way through the playoffs, but Dumoulin gave up 8 HDSC/60 in the playoffs and 10.5 HDSC/60 in the regular season. Hainsey was at 7. They lived in their own zone the 1st 2 rounds, but they limited the HDSCs against.
- Tojo.

Yeah I'm sure the Sens series with that stink puck system they were playing when some of the games were 1-0 dropped those stats considerably.

Is there anything else we can compare, like goalies HDSC SV% or the like?

Listened to the game while working on my boat today. The only part I’ve watched is where Marchand hacks the goalie then sticks Letang in the ribs. They aren’t “the perfection” line without him. I’m still all for injuring him permanently and on purpose. But that’s just me.

Yeah I'm sure the Sens series with that stink puck system they were playing when some of the games were 1-0 dropped those stats considerably.

Is there anything else we can compare, like goalies HDSC SV% or the like?
- MattStrat

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Yeah I'm sure the Sens series with that stink puck system they were playing when some of the games were 1-0 dropped those stats considerably.

Is there anything else we can compare, like goalies HDSC SV% or the like?
- MattStrat

One thing to look at would be the score. You could compare when a game is tied, a one goal difference, and so on. Perfect example is the Matheson give away. If Pens are up one or even tied, he doesn't try to press offence. Instead he loses the puck and gives up a very high percentage shot.

Another would be special teams.

Canucks shut down due to covid. Sixteen players and three coaches.

Canucks shut down due to covid. Sixteen players and three coaches.
- Thunderbolt

It's going to be interesting to see how they handle this so late in the season.

This team may not be the same as 2016, but they're playing or at least attempting to play that style. IMO in 2017 they abandoned that style of play and had a mix of luck and solid goaltending on their side. Whether this style of play is sustainable remains to be seen, but this team is still most like the 2016 team that we've seen since.

PDO quantifies random variability. Find me a player with 500+ games played and a PDO well above 100.
- Feds91Stammer

PDO is a peanut butter stat that doesn't really tell you much at all. It measures shooting % and save % on a gross level.

Random variability measures outliers, not luck. Crosby playing great hockey and having a high PDO has nothing to do with luck.

PDO is a peanut butter stat that doesn't really tell you much at all. It measures shooting % and save % on a gross level.

Random variability measures outliers, not luck. Crosby playing great hockey and having a high PDO has nothing to do with luck.
- MacPatty

PDO is a weird stat and convenient stat, but it's not without merit. There's definitely something to it when you're comparing the whole picture.

Right now the five teams above the Pens from one to five are Tampa, Caps, Isles, Wild and the Leafs. Tampa to the Wild all have a 1.024 with TOR at a 1.018.

I doubt many here would argue that Tampa is lucking their way into anything right now.

PDO is a weird stat and convenient stat, but it's not without merit. There's definitely something to it when you're comparing the whole picture.

Right now the five teams above the Pens from one to five are Tampa, Caps, Isles, Wild and the Leafs. Tampa to the Wild all have a 1.024 with TOR at a 1.018.

I doubt many here would argue that Tampa is lucking their way into anything right now.
- Rinosaur

Tampa is getting carried by unsustainable goaltending...

PDO is a peanut butter stat that doesn't really tell you much at all. It measures shooting % and save % on a gross level.

Random variability measures outliers, not luck. Crosby playing great hockey and having a high PDO has nothing to do with luck.
- MacPatty

Peanut butter is good and versatile so I agree with your analogy.

Tampa is getting carried by unsustainable goaltending...
- Feds91Stammer

They also rocked a 1.023 PDO last year.

Tampa is also getting the following:

1) Production up and down their lineup.
2) CF% 51.90
3) HDCF% of 51.75
4) xGF% of 52.52

Tampa isn't just goaltending.

They also rocked a 1.023 PDO last year.
- Rinosaur

And they were a better team last year. Also a 102 isn’t that crazy of a PDO at a team level.

And they were a better team last year. Also a 102 isn’t that crazy of a PDO at a team level.
- Feds91Stammer

When you have a high PDO and everything else is average or below, yeah, PDO tells you there's a lot of luck involved, but when everything is firing it really doesn't say much IMO.