Why doesn’t the quotes work. Is there a trick or something? Or does it just work sometimes and other times not?

Regarding TK sitting while Patrick is in... I tend to agree with MJL. Unless AV just thinks TK needs a break. They’ve been playing a lot of Hockey. One day off, can make a big impact. Most fans thinks it’s negative for it to be a healthy scratch. It probably is is most cases.
- leon neon

It’s just that AV believes Konecny should be doing a hell of a lot more....and he is capable. Because like you I’m I see Konecny doing more in games where he struggles then I’ve almost ever seen Patrick do in games where he’s played.

Got a question for you flyers fans, what exactly would you say is the trade value on JVR/voracek?

Both players have had bounce back years no doubt but let’s say if Calgary were to be negotiating a package for a Gaudreau trade would the flyers have to pay a little extra for the flames to take either’s contract or do the two players carry enough positive value to defeat the purpose of bringing either player in?
- RedC21

The Vorecek contract is onerous and still has a few years left. JVR’s isn’t quit as bad and only has a couple years left. Both guys have shown they can still play. There have been a lot of Nights where by JVR has been the best Flyer on the ice. Vorecek has been inconsistent but still produces....not sure he will be by the end of the contract. With Vorecek it’s his defensive game that’s the most concerning to me. I’m not a fan of a player that picks and chooses when to back check. Unfortunately him and Sutter would be like oil and water.
The guys name I’ve heard for Gaudreau is Konecny...I’m not sure I would like that, but who knows what Fletcher thinks...the $ is close.

wondering if the locker room is not as tight as we are led to believe?
- Bayareaflyer

It's whos leading the locker room that's the issue

The Vorecek contract is onerous and still has a few years left. JVR’s isn’t quit as bad and only has a couple years left. Both guys have shown they can still play. There have been a lot of Nights where by JVR has been the best Flyer on the ice. Vorecek has been inconsistent but still produces....not sure he will be by the end of the contract. With Vorecek it’s his defensive game that’s the most concerning to me. I’m not a fan of a player that picks and chooses when to back check. Unfortunately him and Sutter would be like oil and water.
The guys name I’ve heard for Gaudreau is Konecny...I’m not sure I would like that, but who knows what Fletcher thinks...the $ is close.
- landros 2

I understand what your saying however I disagree with your thoughts on Voreck. I don't think he really brings much value to the team. Sure he can pass the puck and score once in a while but lazy play more often than not, selfish skating that doesn't help the puke movement when coming out of zone, forced passing and did I mention lazy?

The Vorecek contract is onerous and still has a few years left. JVR’s isn’t quit as bad and only has a couple years left. Both guys have shown they can still play. There have been a lot of Nights where by JVR has been the best Flyer on the ice. Vorecek has been inconsistent but still produces....not sure he will be by the end of the contract. With Vorecek it’s his defensive game that’s the most concerning to me. I’m not a fan of a player that picks and chooses when to back check. Unfortunately him and Sutter would be like oil and water.
The guys name I’ve heard for Gaudreau is Konecny...I’m not sure I would like that, but who knows what Fletcher thinks...the $ is close.
- landros 2

My issue with Voracek is that he is one of the forwards that leaves the dzone far to fast when the flyers don’t necessarily have a clear.
In the ozone he makes poor decisions far to often and forces low percentage passes that more often than not end up in a loss of possession.
He loses his fair share of board battles.
Then add his lazy back checking at time can he really be the voice in the locker room holding the younger guys accountable?
I would rather see him gone but his contract makes it prohibitive.
I’ll spend more time watching the phantoms.

I understand what your saying however I disagree with your thoughts on Voreck. I don't think he really brings much value to the team. Sure he can pass the puck and score once in a while but lazy play more often than not, selfish skating that doesn't help the puke movement when coming out of zone, forced passing and did I mention lazy?
- Flyers_1488

I don’t think you can say he’s still not somewhat productive ? And that’s the only nice thing I said

My issue with Voracek is that he is one of the forwards that leaves the dzone far to fast when the flyers don’t necessarily have a clear.
In the ozone he makes poor decisions far to often and forces low percentage passes that more often than not end up in a loss of possession.
He loses his fair share of board battles.
Then add his lazy back checking at time can he really be the voice in the locker room holding the younger guys accountable?
I would rather see him gone but his contract makes it prohibitive.
I’ll spend more time watching the phantoms.
- bird_dog_pa

I agree with your comments on Vorecek. He’s the one guy that I watch on the Flyers that makes you think ‘man there’s more there” ...it just doesn’t happen. I also think you hit the nail on the head with your comments about his defensive game. Those are all lazy habits...when I constantly whine about accountability Vorecek is my main target and has been for a few years.

I don’t think you can say he’s still not somewhat productive ? And that’s the only nice thing I said

- landros 2

I understand what you are saying here but I don't think Voracek has been that good overall even though he has been putting up decent point totals.

If Konecny is scratched in favor of Patrick then this is another reason to criticize AV. Doesn't make sense.
- MJL

You really think this is a big deal, they both have been awful

AV, imo, has lost the locker room. I think he knows he’s not going anywhere, so he has cart blanche to pull guys in and out of the lineup, publicly call out the organization’s best goalie prospect since Hextall, etc. The organization as currently constructed is as unstable as I’ve seen in 50+ years of watching and supporting this team.

AV, imo, has lost the locker room. I think he knows he’s not going anywhere, so he has cart blanche to pull guys in and out of the lineup, publicly call out the organization’s best goalie prospect since Hextall, etc. The organization as currently constructed is as unstable as I’ve seen in 50+ years of watching and supporting this team.
- BroadSTmayhem

He might have. But can the Flyers continue to just go through coaches without having a major shakeup? I think what your seeing from AVs moves is a coach that’s frustrated and clearly has no answers. Like Bill said yesterday he’s probably good till the end of the year, but after that guys like Scott and Holmgren need to reevaluate the teams direction, because right now it’s gone off the rails. It starts with the GM and works it’s way down.

He might have. But can the Flyers continue to just go through coaches without having a major shakeup? I think what your seeing from AVs moves is a coach that’s frustrated and clearly has no answers. Like Bill said yesterday he’s probably good till the end of the year, but after that guys like Scott and Holmgren need to reevaluate the teams direction, because right now it’s gone off the rails. It starts with the GM and works it’s way down.
- landros 2

Exactly how many times does this group of players just get a pass

Exactly how many times does this group of players just get a pass
- ClaudeFather

Yup. While AV has made questionable choices these guys have a longgggg track record of having the wheels wildly come off at some point during the season and continually not showing up to play hard.

I honestly think AV is just trying anything to try and spark these guys. Problem is none of its working. I really don’t see any coach getting much more out of this roster right now.

I have no issue with TK getting scratched for a game. Like many of the current Flyers he’s been playing with his head up his ass.

Exactly how many times does this group of players just get a pass
- ClaudeFather

Agreed ...I understood it early on in Hextall’s tenure. I no longer understand how the players are not being held accountable. It’s long past due for a major shakeup player wise. It’s just so different then how this organization use to do things.

Agreed ...I understood it early on in Hextall’s tenure. I no longer understand how the players are not being held accountable. It’s long past due for a major shakeup player wise. It’s just so different then how this organization use to do things.
- landros 2

Imo they’ve literally gone from one end of the spectrum to the other when they need to find middle ground. Used to always be going for it every year now it’s just hold onto what doesn’t work for farrrrr too long.

Agreed ...I understood it early on in Hextall’s tenure. I no longer understand how the players are not being held accountable. It’s long past due for a major shakeup player wise. It’s just so different then how this organization use to do things.
- landros 2

Didn't Hexy go into the locker room at Madison Square Garden 3-4 years ago and light into the team?

Yup. While AV has made questionable choices these guys have a longgggg track record of having the wheels wildly come off at some point during the season and continually not showing up to play hard.

I honestly think AV is just trying anything to try and spark these guys. Problem is none of its working. I really don’t see any coach getting much more out of this roster right now.

I have no issue with TK getting scratched for a game. Like many of the current Flyers he’s been playing with his head up his ass.
- hereticpride

Yea literally nothing has worked, you’d think a 9-0 beating would do it as well but I guess not

Imo they’ve literally gone from one end of the spectrum to the other when they need to find middle ground. Used to always be going for it every year now it’s just hold onto what doesn’t work for farrrrr too long.
- hereticpride

From 1994 to 2012 the Flyers missed the playoffs once.....one time. I will take that over this mess any day. I guess there is a happy medium. The one thing that makes me laugh is when guys say it’s to tough for Fletcher to make trades....are you (frank)ing kidding me? Of course it is....being a GM is not an easy job. But Chuck that’s the job you were hired to do.

Agreed ...I understood it early on in Hextall’s tenure. I no longer understand how the players are not being held accountable. It’s long past due for a major shakeup player wise. It’s just so different then how this organization use to do things.
- landros 2

I agree. But we cant discount how different things are under the salary cap era. Especially with a flat cap. It takes two teams to make a trade.

I want change in the worst way, but there are other considerations than just getting rid of our bad guys to get other teams good guys. Or even getting rid of our bad guys for someone else's bad guys.

Some of the things I've been reading here the past few days are insane. That has nothing to do with how good or bad our players are. It has to do with the practicalities of a flat cap salary world with an expansion draft coming up. I don't even care about the Flyers aspect, there are 31 other teams that also have considerations and people in here are running around like its GM mode on NHL '20.

I think a LOT of people in here are going to very disappointed that this team doesn't make any significant changes until the FA and draft periods come about. (me too by the way)

It is what it is.

Didn't Hexy go into the locker room at Madison Square Garden 3-4 years ago and light into the team?
- Robert's Plant

That’s sounds like something he would do...apparently it fell on deaf ears.

I agree. But we cant discount how different things are under the salary cap era. Especially with a flat cap. It takes two teams to make a trade.

I want change in the worst way, but there are other considerations than just getting rid of our bad guys to get other teams good guys. Or even getting rid of our bad guys for someone else's bad guys.

Some of the things I've been reading here the past few days are insane. That has nothing to do with how good or bad our players are. It has to do with the practicalities of a flat cap salary world with an expansion draft coming up. I don't even care about the Flyers aspect, there are 31 other teams that also have considerations and people in here are running around like its GM mode on NHL '20.

I think a LOT of people in here are going to very disappointed that this team doesn't make any significant changes until the FA and draft periods come about. (me too by the way)

It is what it is.
- MBFlyerfan

I don’t expect anything of substance by the TDL...but if this team returns next year with this same sorry group then to me the Flyers made a major error in hiring Fletcher...flat cap be damed....no body said it was going to be easy. The excuses have to stop.

I think if the flyers take calls on Laughton they’ll get a late 1st. He is a great piece to add for a playoff team. He is hitting ufa. Why would you keep him we have lots of bottom 6 forward types in our system close to making the team. Yes he’s a flyer and a real glue guy. Tell me how he’s moved the needle Bc I don’t see it

I think if the flyers take calls on Laughton they’ll get a late 1st. He is a great piece to add for a playoff team. He is hitting ufa. Why would you keep him we have lots of bottom 6 forward types in our system close to making the team. Yes he’s a flyer and a real glue guy. Tell me how he’s moved the needle Bc I don’t see it
- Just5

I have to agree to this. I like Scotty. But I see him getting over 3 mil with term...and he deserves it. If the Flyers have all these guys coming like I keep hearing about, how do you justify paying a 3-4th line guy that type of scratch.

Real question... Who will actually tune in to the game today?

I won't be. I don't have the alcohol and cannabis needed to handle this ish

The Vorecek contract is onerous and still has a few years left. JVR’s isn’t quit as bad and only has a couple years left. Both guys have shown they can still play. There have been a lot of Nights where by JVR has been the best Flyer on the ice. Vorecek has been inconsistent but still produces....not sure he will be by the end of the contract. With Vorecek it’s his defensive game that’s the most concerning to me. I’m not a fan of a player that picks and chooses when to back check. Unfortunately him and Sutter would be like oil and water.
The guys name I’ve heard for Gaudreau is Konecny...I’m not sure I would like that, but who knows what Fletcher thinks...the $ is close.
- landros 2

Hard to be a fan of this coaching staff when they let jakes laziness and lack of backcheck go on without repercussion. I don’t know if there’s an edict from up above to be hands off on the vets or what