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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 2 @ 10:07 PM ET
Corey Perry on pace for a 21 goal season at 750 k. 82 game season that is. Why are stats people talking about this value?
- Grinder47

18 goals his last 114 games. What a beast.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Apr 2 @ 11:33 PM ET
48.5 CF%, -1.0 rel CF on the year. So no.
- Victoro311

51% SCF and 50% HDCF, so yah. Who still uses corsi, nerd
goldeneye77
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 04.19.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:37 PM ET
I'd much rather play the Bruins in the playoff than face the Capitals right now. The 2021 Bruins just don't seem like the Boston clubs of the past decade or so right now.
goldeneye77
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 04.19.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:40 PM ET
Pens might get lucky and hit the conf finals. I feel like that’s the ceiling for the team as is. I think they get run over by Tampa or Carolina personally.
- j.boyd919


There's no conferences in 2021 though. The Pens could end up playing Winnipeg or Vegas in the 3rd round if they made it that far.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 3 @ 6:58 AM ET
18 goals his last 114 games. What a beast.
- Feds91Stammer

For 750k he’s a steal. He would have done good on this pens team. I don’t think anyone can make a difference in Detroit.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 7:02 AM ET
51% SCF and 50% HDCF, so yah. Who still uses corsi, nerd
- burgh4life87

You said possession and you were wrong. I actually posted about the Matheson and Ceci pairing earlier in the thread and praised them for dominating HDC and being good in xGF. Maybe learn terminology. Possession isn’t a catch all term for analytics, it’s a specific thing.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 3 @ 7:05 AM ET
Pens might get lucky and hit the conf finals. I feel like that’s the ceiling for the team as is. I think they get run over by Tampa or Carolina personally.
- j.boyd919

Theres really no saying what could happen. Tampa could go back to their true identity and lose in the first round. Carolina doesn’t scare me as much as the Islanders or the Bruins. Speaking of Tampa I could see Maroon becoming a Pen very soon.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 7:13 AM ET
Theres really no saying what could happen. Tampa could go back to their true identity and lose in the first round. Carolina doesn’t scare me as much as the Islanders or the Bruins. Speaking of Tampa I could see Maroon becoming a Pen very soon.
- Grinder47

With our goal tending, make a big enough trade and anything can happen if Jarry and DeSmith keep it up.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 3 @ 7:19 AM ET
With our goal tending, make a big enough trade and anything can happen if Jarry and DeSmith keep it up.
- Victoro311

Agreed. Crazy to think but pens probably have the best goaltending duo in the league right now, no?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 7:29 AM ET
Agreed. Crazy to think but pens probably have the best goaltending duo in the league right now, no?
- Grinder47

Suck it Tojo.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 3 @ 7:41 AM ET
Agreed. Crazy to think but pens probably have the best goaltending duo in the league right now, no?
- Grinder47

It's definitely up there.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 3 @ 7:43 AM ET
Suck it Tojo.
- Victoro311

Haha to his defense he didn't say Jarry would suck, he just wanted to see more and would feel more comfortable with a veteran backup. I just think these two have it this year and they are both pushing each other. It's a great tandem.
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Apr 3 @ 8:07 AM ET
I'd much rather play the Bruins in the playoff than face the Capitals right now. The 2021 Bruins just don't seem like the Boston clubs of the past decade or so right now.
- goldeneye77


Boston still has injury problems and apparently covid problems to boot. They are a wild card as far as how they will be playing come playoff time. Speaking of wild cards, you have Tuukka Rask, he is wildly inconsistent, having a down year, and injured. They do have time to get it together though.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 3 @ 10:14 AM ET
It's definitely up there.
- 668710


Even more impressive based on how they started.
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Apr 3 @ 10:45 AM ET
I know he hasn't been mentioned, but I think Danton Heinen could be an under the radar/cheap target for the 4th line.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:32 AM ET
I know he hasn't been mentioned, but I think Danton Heinen could be an under the radar/cheap target for the 4th line.
- 123Kid

Your 4th line is already set
Doogs
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh , PA
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 3 @ 12:16 PM ET
Another garbage take for our local this D-man is my whipping boy. Move Matheson to wing so you can sit a forward that is preforming at a decent level.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 12:24 PM ET
Decided to look at Matheci as a pairing at 5v5:

210:19 TOI

CF%: 48.51

xGF%: 56.47

HDCF%: 60.00

Off. Zone Faceoffs%: 47.75

Honestly this is pretty solid. Not a great play driving pairing as one would expect but they’re not a black hole of possession either and they’re absolutely controlling the HDCs. The D zone starts also could factor into the poor possession and it stands to reason that if Sullivan sheltered them more and leaned on Pettrino a bit more they could be even more effective.

The deployment Sullivan has these two on is working pretty well and has room for improvement.

EDIT: actually it looks like Pettrino gets even more defensive zone starts and it’s Dumtang that are getting the majority offensive starts. Sullivan may want to think about having his top pairing shoulder more of the defensive burden.

- Victoro311

A further note on this: When Marino and Matheson were paired together (and were awful) they were also getting really hard deployment at 35.2 off. zone face-off %. Moral of this story seems to be Matheson can do good things with bottom pairing deployment so long as you don't try to shoe horn him into a second pairing shutdown role at which point you'll have a very bad time.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 3 @ 12:56 PM ET
I’m just hoping for no injuries today.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 3 @ 12:58 PM ET
A further note on this: When Marino and Matheson were paired together (and were awful) they were also getting really hard deployment at 35.2 off. zone face-off %. Moral of this story seems to be Matheson can do good things with bottom pairing deployment so long as you don't try to shoe horn him into a second pairing shutdown role at which point you'll have a very bad time.
- Victoro311

Face off percent or zone start? Low O zone face off percent just means they never drive play into the offensive zone.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 12:59 PM ET
Face off percent or zone start? Low O zone face off percent just means they never drive play into the offensive zone.
- Feds91Stammer

I thought it meant zone start to be honest. But that would make sense since I don’t know why Sully would give Matheson-Ceci primarily defensive zone starts.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 3 @ 1:01 PM ET
I thought it meant zone start to be honest. But that would make sense since I don’t know why Sully would give Matheson-Ceci primarily defensive zone starts.
- Victoro311

Yeah zone starts are hard to look into and the percentages sites have listed are weird. A majority of shifts start on the fly.
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 1:13 PM ET
Woo boy
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Apr 3 @ 1:14 PM ET
Thanks Charlie
buckster2342
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 3 @ 1:15 PM ET
Any word on why blueger isn't playing? I thought he was a full participant yesterday.
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