Yes, they were the Generals ( NY or NJ....I don't recall)
- DaveofYork

correction Washington Generals

What is not reality? Our crappy team?
- DrMidnite

We have a bad team.

That they can wipe the slate clean and that the team has a bunch of over-hyped talent is not reality.

We have a bad team.

That they can wipe the slate clean and that the team has a bunch of over-hyped talent is not reality.
- MJL

I gotcha. It's just frustrating.

Did I pass the Coots test?

At this point I’m just looking for blood on the ice. Morin can help with that

watched Allison blast one from a soft spot in the slot, it didn't go in but went to Forrester who blasted it again and it went in. Two players one goal and something this team needs, shoot first and the ability to shoot.

Blow it is up funny, for sure I am in the camp of reshape, take all the assets you have and clean out some players to improve the mix, it should be easy in a flat cap/covid era, LOL

I don't know much about this draft but does the top 5 have the can't miss products? So D that will be better than Provy, Sanheim and Myers in their prime? Does it have talented centers and wingers that someday will be that much better than what we have now? Or do we need a lot of hope that it will.

I think the route is making 2-3 trades over the next 12-18 months, unloading the old and bringing in the new. It will take assets to move a Jake or a JVR. You might have to trade a TK and assets to a Canuck team for a different type of player. There is no shortage of teams who want to remake their roster.

My biggest concern from when they signed JVR was team speed. JVR, Hayes, G etc all good players, all bring something but none add real speed. Look at the Pens they add Tanev and everyone is like terrible contract and it will be an overpay but the guy has grit and can flat out skate, they find those players. The young D they added can flat out skate. Even though Boston is playing terrible, they changed over their D and the ones that are now playing can guess what? Flat out skate, speed, edge work and the ability to escape with the right turn or pass. Will our D be that?

There is a list of teams looking for answers, only 1 team will win the cup. At the end of the season 31 teams will be looking for answers, no matter where you finished only 1 team will be happy and achieved its goal.

Getting rid of players to just get rid of them is not the smart move just because you are having a poop season. I think we all agree it is the mix of players for the Flyers, there is talent, don't make a move to make a move, make a move to change the make up of this team. Blowing it up? yeah after 7 years of drafting lets start over and hope it turns out different because you know, other teams won't be getting better or adding talent. The difference between winning and losing in this league is not much, except if you are the Flyer March 2020 Flyers of course



There is a lot of talent on the Flyers, a good bit has to mature and if you add the right parts it will be a contending team. You keep Coots and you let the younger talent mature. You trade any other vet, you add sweetener to move a JVR. Any young talent like a TK if you move, you move for a piece that makes the Flyers a better mix. You have Tanner and Wade they could be upgrades, they skate well and are big bodies but they don't add speed, again similar to the current make up. You might have to move a Laughton, Nak and Raffle to make room. Then you move JVR, Jake if you can, maybe TK and replace with the right mix of players, you add picks or prospects to get the right player.


Boston should have been blown out last night, they are not playing well, they look like a one line team with decent Dmen but their goalie kept them in the game. The Flyers haven't had that since the beginning of the season and our Dmen have sucked and our Forwards and our coaches If the Flyers want to win any games going forward we will need a goalie to steal a game for us.

Frost, he is not hurt, he is hiding, smartest kid on the planet

watched Allison blast one from a soft spot in the slot, it didn't go in but went to Forrester who blasted it again and it went in. Two players one goal and something this team needs, shoot first and the ability to shoot.

Blow it is up funny, for sure I am in the camp of reshape, take all the assets you have and clean out some players to improve the mix, it should be easy in a flat cap/covid era, LOL

I don't know much about this draft but does the top 5 have the can't miss products? So D that will be better than Provy, Sanheim and Myers in their prime? Does it have talented centers and wingers that someday will be that much better than what we have now? Or do we need a lot of hope that it will.

I think the route is making 2-3 trades over the next 12-18 months, unloading the old and bringing in the new. It will take assets to move a Jake or a JVR. You might have to trade a TK and assets to a Canuck team for a different type of player. There is no shortage of teams who want to remake their roster.

My biggest concern from when they signed JVR was team speed. JVR, Hayes, G etc all good players, all bring something but none add real speed. Look at the Pens they add Tanev and everyone is like terrible contract and it will be an overpay but the guy has grit and can flat out skate, they find those players. The young D they added can flat out skate. Even though Boston is playing terrible, they changed over their D and the ones that are now playing can guess what? Flat out skate, speed, edge work and the ability to escape with the right turn or pass. Will our D be that?

There is a list of teams looking for answers, only 1 team will win the cup. At the end of the season 31 teams will be looking for answers, no matter where you finished only 1 team will be happy and achieved its goal.

Getting rid of players to just get rid of them is not the smart move just because you are having a poop season. I think we all agree it is the mix of players for the Flyers, there is talent, don't make a move to make a move, make a move to change the make up of this team. Blowing it up? yeah after 7 years of drafting lets start over and hope it turns out different because you know, other teams won't be getting better or adding talent. The difference between winning and losing in this league is not much, except if you are the Flyer March 2020 Flyers of course



There is a lot of talent on the Flyers, a good bit has to mature and if you add the right parts it will be a contending team. You keep Coots and you let the younger talent mature. You trade any other vet, you add sweetener to move a JVR. Any young talent like a TK if you move, you move for a piece that makes the Flyers a better mix. You have Tanner and Wade they could be upgrades, they skate well and are big bodies but they don't add speed, again similar to the current make up. You might have to move a Laughton, Nak and Raffle to make room. Then you move JVR, Jake if you can, maybe TK and replace with the right mix of players, you add picks or prospects to get the right player.


Boston should have been blown out last night, they are not playing well, they look like a one line team with decent Dmen but their goalie kept them in the game. The Flyers haven't had that since the beginning of the season and our Dmen have sucked and our Forwards and our coaches If the Flyers want to win any games going forward we will need a goalie to steal a game for us.

Frost, he is not hurt, he is hiding, smartest kid on the planet
- wcorvette

IMO Owen Power is a cant miss 1st pair dman, 6'5 with density 215lbs+ already....excellent skating and change of direction....slick hands....good vision. Whomever passes on him as the #1 pick is going to rue it in 5 years.

IMO Owen Power is a cant miss 1st pair dman, 6'5 with density 215lbs+ already....excellent skating and change of direction....slick hands....good vision. Whomever passes on him as the #1 pick is going to rue it in 5 years.
- juiced

If the Flyers draft him they would have Wisdom and Power. Cups galore.

watched Allison blast one from a soft spot in the slot, it didn't go in but went to Forrester who blasted it again and it went in. Two players one goal and something this team needs, shoot first and the ability to shoot.

Blow it is up funny, for sure I am in the camp of reshape, take all the assets you have and clean out some players to improve the mix, it should be easy in a flat cap/covid era, LOL

I don't know much about this draft but does the top 5 have the can't miss products? So D that will be better than Provy, Sanheim and Myers in their prime? Does it have talented centers and wingers that someday will be that much better than what we have now? Or do we need a lot of hope that it will.

I think the route is making 2-3 trades over the next 12-18 months, unloading the old and bringing in the new. It will take assets to move a Jake or a JVR. You might have to trade a TK and assets to a Canuck team for a different type of player. There is no shortage of teams who want to remake their roster.

My biggest concern from when they signed JVR was team speed. JVR, Hayes, G etc all good players, all bring something but none add real speed. Look at the Pens they add Tanev and everyone is like terrible contract and it will be an overpay but the guy has grit and can flat out skate, they find those players. The young D they added can flat out skate. Even though Boston is playing terrible, they changed over their D and the ones that are now playing can guess what? Flat out skate, speed, edge work and the ability to escape with the right turn or pass. Will our D be that?

There is a list of teams looking for answers, only 1 team will win the cup. At the end of the season 31 teams will be looking for answers, no matter where you finished only 1 team will be happy and achieved its goal.

Getting rid of players to just get rid of them is not the smart move just because you are having a poop season. I think we all agree it is the mix of players for the Flyers, there is talent, don't make a move to make a move, make a move to change the make up of this team. Blowing it up? yeah after 7 years of drafting lets start over and hope it turns out different because you know, other teams won't be getting better or adding talent. The difference between winning and losing in this league is not much, except if you are the Flyer March 2020 Flyers of course



There is a lot of talent on the Flyers, a good bit has to mature and if you add the right parts it will be a contending team. You keep Coots and you let the younger talent mature. You trade any other vet, you add sweetener to move a JVR. Any young talent like a TK if you move, you move for a piece that makes the Flyers a better mix. You have Tanner and Wade they could be upgrades, they skate well and are big bodies but they don't add speed, again similar to the current make up. You might have to move a Laughton, Nak and Raffle to make room. Then you move JVR, Jake if you can, maybe TK and replace with the right mix of players, you add picks or prospects to get the right player.


Boston should have been blown out last night, they are not playing well, they look like a one line team with decent Dmen but their goalie kept them in the game. The Flyers haven't had that since the beginning of the season and our Dmen have sucked and our Forwards and our coaches If the Flyers want to win any games going forward we will need a goalie to steal a game for us.

Frost, he is not hurt, he is hiding, smartest kid on the planet
- wcorvette

The problem with the Flyers is not the young players. Those claiming that the Flyers have overrated their young players are making an amateur fan mistake. This is just not a supportive team environment where all young players can thrive. Especially on defense and in net. I guess Carter Hart just all of a sudden lost his technique and fundamental goalie play for no reason. Moving out term players with high cap hits is going to be very difficult, if not impossible. I think the best bet is to use some young talent to tweak the mix. With players like Allison and Foerster coming. I would look to possibly trade Konecny for a similar player in age that is more a physical and bigger player that skates well. More of a drive the net type. Who that player is, I have no idea.

Did I pass the Coots test?
- mickel25

He likes to think. That takes time.

The problem with the Flyers is not the young players. Those claiming that the Flyers have overrated their young players are making an amateur fan mistake. This is just not a supportive team environment where all young players can thrive. Especially on defense and in net. I guess Carter Hart just all of a sudden lost his technique and fundamental goalie play for no reason. Moving out term players with high cap hits is going to be very difficult, if not impossible. I think the best bet is to use some young talent to tweak the mix. With players like Allison and Foerester(sp) coming. I would look to possibly trade Konecny for a similar player in age that is more a physical and bigger player that skates well. More of a drive the net type. Who that player is, I have no idea.
- MJL

Was it a supportive system last season? If so what changed?

There are plenty of goalies who had a great short run only to be a flash in the pan; so yes it is possible. Time will tell if Hart is one of them

If Hart poopz the bed the rest of the way now the flyers will have an issue in goal. That was not something anyone anticipated. That will have to be addressed as they will then need a starter type goalie to come in help maybe split the games; that will cost more than the usual back up. Money will have to be allocated there.

The problem with the Flyers is not the young players. Those claiming that the Flyers have overrated their young players are making an amateur fan mistake. This is just not a supportive team environment where all young players can thrive. Especially on defense and in net. I guess Carter Hart just all of a sudden lost his technique and fundamental goalie play for no reason. Moving out term players with high cap hits is going to be very difficult, if not impossible. I think the best bet is to use some young talent to tweak the mix. With players like Allison and Foerster coming. I would look to possibly trade Konecny for a similar player in age that is more a physical and bigger player that skates well. More of a drive the net type. Who that player is, I have no idea.
- MJL

Correct you don't give up now and let the prime years benefit another team. You stick with the youth unless you get youth back that helps the team mix



for you tankatoners, at what spot do we have a good enough chance of getting top 2 pick that we should blow it up and hope to lose every game

TEAM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 AVG
Buffalo 18.5 16.4 65.1 2.5
Anaheim 13.5 13.0 29.0 44.5 3.0
Seattle 11.5 11.3 6.0 40.9 30.3 3.7
Ottawa 9.5 9.6 14.5 45.8 20.6 4.4
Detroit 8.5 8.7 24.0 45.3 13.6 5.1
New Jersey 7.5 7.8 34.1 42.0 8.6 5.9
Vancouver 6.5 6.8 44.4 37.0 5.3 6.7
Calgary 6.0 6.3 54.4 30.3 3.0 7.6
Columbus 4.5 4.8 64.4 24.7 1.7 8.6
San Jose 3.5 3.8 72.4 19.4 0.9 9.6
Dallas 3.0 3.3 78.9 14.4 0.4 10.6
Los Angeles 2.5 2.7 84.7 9.9 0.2 11.6
Chicago 2.0 2.2 89.7 6.1 0.1 12.6
Arizona 1.5 1.7 93.7 3.1 >0.0 13.6
NY Rangers 1.0 1.1 96.8 1.0 14.7
Philadelphia 0.5 0.6

Correct you don't give up now and let the prime years benefit another team. You stick with the youth unless you get youth back that helps the team mix



for you tankatoners, at what spot do we have a good enough chance of getting top 2 pick that we should blow it up and hope to lose every game

TEAM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 AVG
Buffalo 18.5 16.4 65.1 2.5
Anaheim 13.5 13.0 29.0 44.5 3.0
Seattle 11.5 11.3 6.0 40.9 30.3 3.7
Ottawa 9.5 9.6 14.5 45.8 20.6 4.4
Detroit 8.5 8.7 24.0 45.3 13.6 5.1
New Jersey 7.5 7.8 34.1 42.0 8.6 5.9
Vancouver 6.5 6.8 44.4 37.0 5.3 6.7
Calgary 6.0 6.3 54.4 30.3 3.0 7.6
Columbus 4.5 4.8 64.4 24.7 1.7 8.6
San Jose 3.5 3.8 72.4 19.4 0.9 9.6
Dallas 3.0 3.3 78.9 14.4 0.4 10.6
Los Angeles 2.5 2.7 84.7 9.9 0.2 11.6
Chicago 2.0 2.2 89.7 6.1 0.1 12.6
Arizona 1.5 1.7 93.7 3.1 >0.0 13.6
NY Rangers 1.0 1.1 96.8 1.0 14.7
Philadelphia 0.5 0.6
- wcorvette

Correct. IMO there are definite locker room issues with this group. Is it the youth against the vets? Something clearly isn't right and you will never convince me otherwise; especially with hearing the couturier and ghost comments.

I am not hoping they lose to tank. I hope they lose just for the pure entertainment aspect.

Keep hearing all this talent on the team. So if that is the case then coaching must be the main issue no?

Correct. IMO there are definite locker room issues with this group. Is it the youth against the vets? Something clearly isn't right and you will never convince me otherwise; especially with hearing the couturier and ghost comments.

I am not hoping they lose to tank. I hope they lose just for the pure entertainment aspect.

Keep hearing all this talent on the team. So if that is the case then coaching must be the main issue no?
- login

I don't think it is one or the other, it is both. I don't think that is uncommon when a team performs so far below expectations.

what did they say, I didnt see it?

The mix for sure is way off, plenty of talent but not a team

I don't think it is one or the other, it is both. I don't think that is uncommon when a team performs so far below expectations.

what did they say, I didnt see it?

The mix for sure is way off, plenty of talent but not a team
- wcorvette

I dont remember off the top of my head, too lazy to look.

Some Talent yes, plenty not going to say that. Def a horrible team. The GM has at least publicly said the mix isnt right. So he is aware as well.

He likes to think. That takes time.
- MJL

You can hear the gears a-grindin

The problem with the Flyers is not the young players. Those claiming that the Flyers have overrated their young players are making an amateur fan mistake. This is just not a supportive team environment where all young players can thrive. Especially on defense and in net. I guess Carter Hart just all of a sudden lost his technique and fundamental goalie play for no reason. Moving out term players with high cap hits is going to be very difficult, if not impossible. I think the best bet is to use some young talent to tweak the mix. With players like Allison and Foerster coming. I would look to possibly trade Konecny for a similar player in age that is more a physical and bigger player that skates well. More of a drive the net type. Who that player is, I have no idea.
- MJL

Adam Lowry from Winnipeg?

Adam Lowry from Winnipeg?
- Big_E_88

Too old and not skilled enough.

Too old and not skilled enough.
- MJL

I hear ya. Just to be clear, I wouldn't do TK for Lowry straight up. Winny would have to add for me to even consider it. I just like Lowry's size & game from what little I've seen of him. And I wonder how much of his unimpressive stats are attributable to his role with the Jets, and playing behind all that offensive talent.

It's true, but not the point.
The point is that Zedno Chara thought it worthy, yet not a single Flyer did during a month of terrible hockey.
Just observing.
- biggbear77

Did you just not watch any of the games this month? There was several fights by Flyers this month. It accomplished nothing.

My point is, if you dont know wtf you are talking about just don't say something that is completely not true or it will make you look like a moron.

Not resigning or trading and getting assets for Couturier? If he leaves for nothing that would be catastrophically bad to the future of the Flyers. If they think there is a chance he does not sign they have to trade him.

So if he leaves for nothing the Flyers would be bad. Maybe top 5 pick bad for most of those 4 years. Please keep in mind that they just updated the lottery rules. So the odds are against getting multiple number 1-3 picks. Of course Carter Hart could recover from his malaise and carry an under talented team to a middling record. The Flyers should move him too then right?

If Couturier wants to sign an extension next season I would do it. If he does not sign an extension they have to trade him. It’s pretty simple.

Coots, Provy and Hart are the long term future of this team. They go as those players go.
- mickel25

No, not resigning Coots would be a rebuilding move, so we would get young assets back, perhaps even players starting to contribute now. But no significant vets and nothing close to his current caliber of play from any single one of the players in return. Short term, team will be much worse.

Based on your answers, shall we say that it is reasonable that we pick #7 on average across the 4 years? Its better than your top 5 picks scenario, but it also makes your case stronger, because it lowers the cost of keeping him by lowering the cost of high picks foregone.

Jake should be on waivers and playing for the Calder

It’s come to that with this team. If fletcher has any gumption or balls he needs to make a move like this.
- Just5

this

Jake should be on waivers and playing for the Calder

It’s come to that with this team. If fletcher has any gumption or balls he needs to make a move like this.
- Just5

this

Trading for Eichel right now would be such a Bob Clarke move. Lets use up all our trade assets on another C when the real need is on defense and in net.
- Tomahawk

I think TK + Laughton + one of Myers/Sanheim would likely be enough.

I would probably do it.The "real need" to get back to respectability is defense. But Flyers (except for that Briere-Hartnell-Leino line) have historically pooped the bed in the playoffs with their overrated forwards, so there is need for offense to move to true contender status and Eichel is so young.