Couturier, and the way he elevates his line by his sheer presence, is by himself very likely a 6 place swing in the drafts. Then there is what he will fetch. That entire strategy is based on picking high and getting prospects.

You have to have 1. Otherwise, we repeat the years of Giroux/Voracek with the new names of Couturier/Hayes.

And if you keep Couts and Giroux (+Hayes), you are not getting a cup in 2020s.
- PT21

You know they'd find some way to screw up the draft pick, right? Never had the #1 pick outright and both #2 picks haven't been game breakers. I don't trust Chuck Fletcher anymore than I trust Howie Roseman due to his fairly poor track record in Minnesota.

This "bad mix" argument seems to be a bit vague. Exactly what mix are we advocating for? How do we know we will fare better?

My plan, which is by and large rejected by everyone here as too extreme (indeed, I will lose most on the first point), is this:

1. This summer, trade Couturier. He is at his peak and signed for 1 more year at below average value. He will fetch you back a very decent haul, but we want prospects or promising players under 25. No vets. Couts is a terrific player, peaking at the wrong time for this club, aka Giroux 6 years ago.

2. Voracek/JVR: one must go in ED. Retain salary but don't give up prospects.

3. The other of the two above must go in off-season. Retain as much as 3.5 million a year. I am sorry, but you are not contending the next 3 years no matter what you do.

4. Trade Ghost with salary retained. He clearly doesn't fit with coaching staff.

5. With freed up money, hire a decent vet on no more than a 2-3 year deal to pair across Provorov. Essentially a Niskanen, not an Ekholm.

6. Resign Laughton this summer. Resign Giroux end of next year.

7. Keep everyone of our young guys. Every one of them.

7. Over the next 3 years, commit to patience and see who among the prospects develop and who we manage to pick from the draft, which should be decently high because of roster and dead money.

This is essentially the Avs plan of the early 2010s and the current Redwings plan.
- PT21

I’ll comment on a couple

2) I think it’s a pipe dream that Seattle takes Vorecek regardless of the amount retained.

4) might come to that...shame Ghosts career has taken this turn....man he played really good early on in his career.

5). Ekholm is just a bit younger and a bit more talented then what the Flyers acquired in Niskanen. Some guys just like to argue opposites....it’s not republican vs. Democrat...it’s hockey.

6) depends on where they think he’ll fit. I really like Laughton ...but 3.5-4 mill a year for a obviously bottom 6 forward might not make sense cap wise.

7) patience? With who? Guys like Patrick, Konecny , Lindblom are going to 6-7 years in he league by this time frame...Hart will be in year 5-6....this isn’t the 90’s anymore...there are 21-22 year olds producing on almost every team in the NHL....the Flyers should expect no less.

Great the Avs plan seems to be coming to fruition...but the time to start that was 6 years ago. The Flyers have a lot of good young players, good young prospects already...they just need to figure who fits and who doesn’t....if they have holes then that’s what the trade route can be used for. I would also never say ALL young guys come back...it depends on what they need and what the costs are.

My aim is true.
- login

lol

The purpose of the angle is to get bot people in the shot.....if there was an issue, she could switch chairs ans sit to "our" left
- KINGKENZO

It’s lazy, cheap of a poorly designed studio if they can’t do a front angle of both. In the meantime of fixing it or waiting out the pandemic, I would much prefer a split screen. Those standing clips before game/period are better too, just set up tall chairs in there...you can’t tell me there isn’t any options.

Unlikely yes, I will not say wont just yet.
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No chance they trade Couturier this summer. Honestly, no hockey franchise would do that. That would be too overt a signal and that would not be accepted.

No chance they trade Couturier this summer. Honestly, no hockey franchise would do that. That would be too overt a signal and that would not be accepted.
- PT21

Disagree, it could easily be accepted. Depends how the team frames it really.

I was more talking about clode and bobby. I can understand keeping Couturier. Dont agree 100% but understand it.

Disagree, it could easily be accepted. Depends how the team frames it really.

I was more talking about clode and bobby. I can understand keeping Couturier. Dont agree 100% but understand it.
- login

Who the hell is Bobby lol

No chance they trade Couturier this summer. Honestly, no hockey franchise would do that. That would be too overt a signal and that would not be accepted.
- PT21

If it was in package for Jack Eichel type? Unless you have another top 10 Center coming back, then it probably doesn’t happen....but here’s a fly in the ointment.....what if Coots doesn’t want to sign here long term?

This "bad mix" argument seems to be a bit vague. Exactly what mix are we advocating for? How do we know we will fare better?

My plan, which is by and large rejected by everyone here as too extreme (indeed, I will lose most on the first point), is this:

1. This summer, trade Couturier. He is at his peak and signed for 1 more year at below average value. He will fetch you back a very decent haul, but we want prospects or promising players under 25. No vets. Couts is a terrific player, peaking at the wrong time for this club, aka Giroux 6 years ago.

2. Voracek/JVR: one must go in ED. Retain salary but don't give up prospects.

3. The other of the two above must go in off-season. Retain as much as 3.5 million a year. I am sorry, but you are not contending the next 3 years no matter what you do.

4. Trade Ghost with salary retained. He clearly doesn't fit with coaching staff.

5. With freed up money, hire a decent vet on no more than a 2-3 year deal to pair across Provorov. Essentially a Niskanen, not an Ekholm.

6. Resign Laughton this summer. Resign Giroux end of next year.

7. Keep everyone of our young guys. Every one of them.

7. Over the next 3 years, commit to patience and see who among the prospects develop and who we manage to pick from the draft, which should be decently high because of roster and dead money.

This is essentially the Avs plan of the early 2010s and the current Redwings plan.
- PT21

Thanks for not answering my question...and answering the one you wanted...you must be a hell of a prof.

So on #1, it sounds nice...but no thanks..Coots skill set will last the 3 year window you speak of. He plays way better D and always has. That talent will be needed when the other kids are scoring.

#2. They are not taking either. They will get one of our young kids that are exposed, even if it isn't a big name. Probably NAK or Bunny.

#3 see #2, not moving these guys, not in flat cap...you might move 1 with salary retained and since Jake's real cost is always lower than his cap hit, that may look good to a team like Arizona..JVR...tough one...but I think we are stuck with that one.

#4 sure. But not sure why we are retaining all this salary...I still feel Ghost is a good #6 if you have enough of the right D men and use ghoast as your #1 PP guy. Is he overpaid for that position...absolutely, but if Zamula, York, or any of the other young guys can play, then Ghost can be your #6/7 for a few more years.

#5 if there was one of those growing on the trees they would have. They got Gus instead...remember they have to want to come here.

#6 At what cost?

#7 maybe, unless you can get something you really need. Some of these kids have been called up and not stayed...

It’s super creepy and awkward. Who films a show from the side of a desk.
- hereticpride

may be creepy but only reason to watch flyers game these days...

Buffalo is a prime example of tanking gone wrong. They’ve had top 8 selections for years and years on end.

When you have piss poor management you have no chance
- Just5

Bumbalo is bad example of tanking gone wrong. The tank was fine. This huge mistake bumbalo made was Murray trading high draft picks like candy trying to fill out roster. You can’t build a team like that. Not in cap world. And giving player like skinner 9 mil a year just to save face with fans was even dumber. That’s why bumbalo is screwed. Piss poor cap management and horrible asset management. That’s what happens when you try to rush a rebuild

Who the hell is Bobby lol
- hereticpride

come on man, jake = bobby abreau

You know they'd find some way to screw up the draft pick, right? Never had the #1 pick outright and both #2 picks haven't been game breakers. I don't trust Chuck Fletcher anymore than I trust Howie Roseman due to his fairly poor track record in Minnesota.
- aantny88

Howie is a horrendous drafter. Just horrendous. But he has swung many very very decent trades/FA signings. Temperamentally, he is a big hitter. The signing of Chip was ballsy. The firing him before season ended was ballsy. The trading of Bradford was ballsy.

I would prefer him than the current Flyers management, which is largely one of based on the philosophy of keeping club "competitive" and praying.

Honestly, even the "Process" that the Sixers went through has been a mess. They missed on more top first round lottery picks than they've hit on. Most of the players contributing weren't drafted by the Sixers. There's no guarantees that tanking would change anything!
- aantny88

Can't score if you don't take any shots

Think about how they played in the 3rd period of the previous game. Then compare it to how they played last night. The tell me that they were ready to play?

Are you sure you're not on the fence about Foerster? Why is it you don't need to see more of him?
- MJL

Who said I wasn't on the fence about Foerster?

If it was in package for Jack Eichel type? Unless you have another top 10 Center coming back, then it probably doesn’t happen....but here’s a fly in the ointment.....what if Coots doesn’t want to sign here long term?
- landros 2

Trading couturier I agree should be on the table. But I want can’t miss top prospects not picks. Teams would line up.

I’d at least explore what he could fetch

He's not there to instigate or fight. He's there to play hockey.
- MJL

yes we can see that. but when the team is getting shelled on the scoreboard, the prior flyers team would at least offer up some hitting, with or without fights. no one on team even thinks that way now. perhaps it the game or its just this team.

Great the Avs plan seems to be coming to fruition...but the time to start that was 6 years ago. The Flyers have a lot of good young players, good young prospects already...they just need to figure who fits and who doesn’t....if they have holes then that’s what the trade route can be used for. I would also never say ALL young guys come back...it depends on what they need and what the costs are.
- landros 2

Yes, the Flyers are very deep in some youth/prospect areas and should look at who to keep developing then use the others and draft picks to fill holes that can’t be filled in house.

Edit: Injuries happen and are unpredictable, but there isn’t enough contract slots or NHL roster spots for them all. I think it would be poor asset management to have them constantly picked off waivers or let go to sign with other teams.

come on man, jake = bobby abreau
- login

I can see it

Trading couturier I agree should be on the table. But I want can’t miss top prospects not picks. Teams would line up.

I’d at least explore what he could fetch
- Just5

They absolutely would line up. Flyers management too short sighted to realize this though. Just for arguments sake say the Flyers even ate half of his cap hit for 1 year the return should be excellent.

Thanks for not answering my question...and answering the one you wanted...you must be a hell of a prof.
- JW98FlyerFan

Touché. Answered below.

Do you honestly think this is on the coaches and GM? That they need to go?
- JW98FlyerFan

By this, I guess you mean the month of March? Yeah I would say they bear more blame than the players. As to go, no, too early, imo.

Regarding the other stuff of mine you responded too, my argument is really based on the following premise:

Couts' peak and the ascent of our young players are likely not well correlated. My entire premise is rebuilding through youth. It seems too early to give up on any one of our young players now.

Trading couturier I agree should be on the table. But I want can’t miss top prospects not picks. Teams would line up.

I’d at least explore what he could fetch
- Just5

Absolutely coots should be traded. Could get a hual for him. His value will never be higher. We just went through this with g/Jake. We aren’t winning with this group. Time to move assets and get younger and let them grow. The young core is fine with more coming. Add to it. Coots getting big time contract soon. No need for us to pay it

This "bad mix" argument seems to be a bit vague. Exactly what mix are we advocating for? How do we know we will fare better?

My plan, which is by and large rejected by everyone here as too extreme (indeed, I will lose most on the first point), is this:

1. This summer, trade Couturier. He is at his peak and signed for 1 more year at below average value. He will fetch you back a very decent haul, but we want prospects or promising players under 25. No vets. Couts is a terrific player, peaking at the wrong time for this club, aka Giroux 6 years ago.

- PT21

I love you PT21, but I honestly stopped reading after point 1. Trading Couts IMO would be the absolutely wrong thing to do.

Honestly I’d be thrilled to get eichel even if we traded coots in package

I’ll comment on a couple



5). Ekholm is just a bit younger and a bit more talented then what the Flyers acquired in Niskanen. Some guys just like to argue opposites....it’s not republican vs. Democrat...it’s hockey.



7) patience? With who? Guys like Patrick, Konecny , Lindblom are going to 6-7 years in he league by this time frame...Hart will be in year 5-6....this isn’t the 90’s anymore...there are 21-22 year olds producing on almost every team in the NHL....the Flyers should expect no less.

Great the Avs plan seems to be coming to fruition...but the time to start that was 6 years ago. The Flyers have a lot of good young players, good young prospects already...they just need to figure who fits and who doesn’t....if they have holes then that’s what the trade route can be used for. I would also never say ALL young guys come back...it depends on what they need and what the costs are.
- landros 2

I respond to a couple of your couple.

My beef against Ekholm is that you need to give him a 5 year deal after next year, and also, he will cost prospects to trade for.

The thing about giving up on prospects, well you tell me, who do you get rid off? Everyone has shown flashes of huge promise and other than Bee, also deep valleys.

The exception is Nopa, and I would give him some time largely because he is really not costing you much at all to keep around. Low downside, high upside bet.