I understand where you are coming from, but I’ve seen too many times that tanking doesn’t lead you to the promise land. You still have to draft well....you still have to have the right structures in place to develop those kids. Where we agree is the half ass measures haven’t worked for the last decade...and something has to change.
- landros 2

Buffalo is a prime example of tanking gone wrong. They’ve had top 8 selections for years and years on end.

When you have piss poor management you have no chance

This is confusing age with NHL experience. It's a bad idea in my opinion. Leave them where they are and let them continue to succeed.
- MJL

No.

I mean Farabee played what, all of 5 games in LH before he was deemed ready? I think both guys have shown as much as he did in their time there and I think both are more physically ready.

I just don't see where it would hurt them or the team if they were to become bottom 6 guys over Raffl, Bunnaman, Aube-Kubal and Twarynski

for sure but a few more games does a couple things. It gives them time to show they are ready. It also allows the poop show to continue with the Flyers. Either they continue to lose or they actually get a little better. if they lose by the time Allison and Tanner come the pressure will be off, the season will be gone. If they Flyers actually are a little better there is less of a chance they will demoralize Allison and Tanner.
- wcorvette

There is absolutely no reason to bring either of those players up to the Flyers. It makes no sense.

Buffalo is a prime example of tanking gone wrong. They’ve had top 8 selections for years and years on end.

When you have piss poor management you have no chance
- Just5

Honestly, even the "Process" that the Sixers went through has been a mess. They missed on more top first round lottery picks than they've hit on. Most of the players contributing weren't drafted by the Sixers. There's no guarantees that tanking would change anything!

I really like to listen to AV's pressers after the games to see if there are any insights or tidbits that can help me understand what is going on here. For example while watching the game I really had the impression that this was yet another game where the Flyers did not show up to play at the opening puck drop and was concerned AV has lost the team. But after listening to AVs presser, it was clear at least in his mind that the team was ready to play this game and work to improve, and he actually said he felt bad for them because the effort was once again there. So when asked what went wrong he mentioned once again the team was out of sync in the offensive zone and defensively they had opportunities to put sticks on pucks and squash chances and they didn't do it.

So what can I take away from these answers? Its that the players are not playing very good right now, its on them. The system is fine when executed properly but the players are not able to execute it consistently well. So does more practice fix this? At this point I would seriously doubt it. I think there needs to be a more honest assessment of the players on this roster by Fletcher and his staff, and changes have to be made. I feel good about Fletcher right now however, I think he earnestly wants to make moves to improve this team for next season and beyond, so I am anxious to see what he can pull off.

On a good note, I was bullish coming into this season about Tyson Foerster and it looks like he is settling in nicely with the Phantoms. Looking forward to seeing him next year potentially on the big club, we need a forward with a big shot that is not afraid to use it!
- jd250

Think about how they played in the 3rd period of the previous game. Then compare it to how they played last night. The tell me that they were ready to play?

Are you sure you're not on the fence about Foerster? Why is it you don't need to see more of him?

Buffalo is a prime example of tanking gone wrong. They’ve had top 8 selections for years and years on end.

When you have piss poor management you have no chance
- Just5

Idk they got Eichel and Dahlin. They just can’t draft or attract FAs for poop.

Buffalo is a prime example of tanking gone wrong. They’ve had top 8 selections for years and years on end.

When you have piss poor management you have no chance
- Just5

Agreed 100%

There is absolutely no reason to bring either of those players up to the Flyers. It makes no sense.
- MJL

Yep no reason at all. Why try to improve your roster with better players.

she chooses her wardrobe and theyve been doing for a few years with the Sixers pregame and a pregnant Amy Fadool
- KINGKENZO

Not sure why this is even a topic, but she seems a strong adult woman and she would make her own choices. If she didn't like the camera angles or clothes, in this world she would speak up

Do you honestly think this is on the coaches and GM? That they need to go?


- JW98FlyerFan

This "bad mix" argument seems to be a bit vague. Exactly what mix are we advocating for? How do we know we will fare better?

My plan, which is by and large rejected by everyone here as too extreme (indeed, I will lose most on the first point), is this:

1. This summer, trade Couturier. He is at his peak and signed for 1 more year at below average value. He will fetch you back a very decent haul, but we want prospects or promising players under 25. No vets. Couts is a terrific player, peaking at the wrong time for this club, aka Giroux 6 years ago.

2. Voracek/JVR: one must go in ED. Retain salary but don't give up prospects.

3. The other of the two above must go in off-season. Retain as much as 3.5 million a year. I am sorry, but you are not contending the next 3 years no matter what you do.

4. Trade Ghost with salary retained. He clearly doesn't fit with coaching staff.

5. With freed up money, hire a decent vet on no more than a 2-3 year deal to pair across Provorov. Essentially a Niskanen, not an Ekholm.

6. Resign Laughton this summer. Resign Giroux end of next year.

7. Keep everyone of our young guys. Every one of them.

7. Over the next 3 years, commit to patience and see who among the prospects develop and who we manage to pick from the draft, which should be decently high because of roster and dead money.

This is essentially the Avs plan of the early 2010s and the current Redwings plan.

Idk they got Eichel and Dahlin. They just can’t draft or attract FAs for poop.
- hereticpride

Reinhardt is a keeper as well.

she chooses her wardrobe and theyve been doing for a few years with the Sixers pregame and a pregnant Amy Fadool
- KINGKENZO

It has nothing to do with the wardrobe, it has everything to do with the weird choice of camera angle. I am sad to hear they did this even before the pandemic.

Buffalo is a prime example of tanking gone wrong. They’ve had top 8 selections for years and years on end.

When you have piss poor management you have no chance
- Just5

Is there some divine law that we only need to look at the horrible examples and not the successful ones? Especially when we don't have anywhere near the horrendous management of Buffalo?

As for there being no guarantees, gee, tell me which plan does come with such a guarantee?

What about Allison?

This "bad mix" argument seems to be a bit vague. Exactly what mix are we advocating for? How do we know we will fare better?

My plan, which is by and large rejected by everyone here as too extreme (indeed, I will lose most on the first point), is this:

1. This summer, trade Couturier. He is at his peak and signed for 1 more year at below average value. He will fetch you back a very decent haul, but we want prospects or promising players under 25. No vets. Couts is a terrific player, peaking at the wrong time for this club, aka Giroux 6 years ago.

2. Voracek/JVR: one must go in ED. Retain salary but don't give up prospects.

3. The other of the two above must go in off-season. Retain as much as 3.5 million a year. I am sorry, but you are not contending the next 3 years no matter what you do.

4. Trade Ghost with salary retained. He clearly doesn't fit with coaching staff.

5. With freed up money, hire a decent vet on no more than a 2-3 year deal to pair across Provorov. Essentially a Niskanen, not an Ekholm.

6. Resign Laughton this summer. Resign Giroux end of next year.

7. Keep everyone of our young guys. Every one of them.

7. Over the next 3 years, commit to patience and see who among the prospects develop and who we manage to pick from the draft, which should be decently high because of roster and dead money.

This is essentially the Avs plan of the early 2010s and the current Redwings plan.
- PT21

1. Would have to be a really good quality haul for me to be on board with this.
2-7. On board, no qualms at all

Idk they got Eichel and Dahlin. They just can’t draft or attract FAs for poop.
- hereticpride

I dont think their 1st picks have been bad off the top of my head. Middlestat has been slow in his progression.

It has nothing to do with the wardrobe, it has everything to do with the weird choice of camera angle. I am sad to hear they did this even before the pandemic.

- NC Flyers Fan

The purpose of the angle is to get bot people in the shot.....if there was an issue, she could switch chairs ans sit to "our" left

she chooses her wardrobe and theyve been doing for a few years with the Sixers pregame and a pregnant Amy Fadool
- KINGKENZO

I am sure there are implicit expectations. There always are.

What about Allison?
- Jkrgoflyers

My aim is true.

From yesterday's blob, about Lindblom's point producing 'pace' projections:



The funny thing is, even the pace argument about Lindblom is wrong. Throw away the relatively unflattering #s of his rookie season, and also the post-recovery #s of this season.

Then look closely at his sophomore season of 18-19 and the 30 games of last year. What do you see?

For all but about 15 games at the start of the last season (where he played on a line with TK centered by Hayes and scored at a high pace): Lindblom has exactly the same #s. About 18 odd goals a season, about 36 points.

That's a middle 6 forward.

So this entire projection of Lindblom as a solid 1st line winger is based on a sample set of 10% of his playing, and 5% if you include his first season and this one.
- PT21

LOL. Nobody has projected Linblom as a solid 1st line winger. What are you talking about?

It's simple math. 11 goals in 15 games is a 30 goal pace. Now the statement made was not that Lindblom has scored at that pace for his career. The statement made was that he was scoring at that pace in that season before his illness. It was meant to show how the player was progressing in response to a poster who said he hasn't seen anything out of Lindblom.

It's amazing how the simplest of things need to be explained to you and how you fail to read what is actually said.

In closing. You're doing a fine job of ignoring me. Whether you reply directly or indirectly, it's the same thing.

No.

I mean Farabee played what, all of 5 games in LH before he was deemed ready? I think both guys have shown as much as he did in their time there and I think both are more physically ready.

I just don't see where it would hurt them or the team if they were to become bottom 6 guys over Raffl, Bunnaman, Aube-Kubal and Twarynski
- J35Bacher

Farabee joined the team after having a training camp with the team. The team situation is completely different than it is now. The team is dysfunctional. Young players in that environment that have experience are struggling. Calling up players and interrupting their success is not smart player management.

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my opinion is there could be. If they continue to develop and the Flyers continue their descent then bring the up and let them get some NHL experience. Yes, you would have to sit others, so be it.

1. Would have to be a really good quality haul for me to be on board with this.
2-7. On board, no qualms at all
- Scoob

Couturier, and the way he elevates his line by his sheer presence, is by himself very likely a 6 place swing in the drafts. Then there is what he will fetch. That entire strategy is based on picking high and getting prospects.

You have to have 1. Otherwise, we repeat the years of Giroux/Voracek with the new names of Couturier/Hayes.

And if you keep Couts and Giroux (+Hayes), you are not getting a cup in 2020s.

This is essentially the Avs plan of the early 2010s and the current Redwings plan.
- PT21

Did the Avs execute this plan in a flat cap era with most teams already up against the cap?

Explain to me which 1st line Selke winning center in his prime that Detroit traded?

The purpose of the angle is to get bot people in the shot.....if there was an issue, she could switch chairs ans sit to "our" left
- KINGKENZO

Dude, come on.

They cannot have a deeper set where the camera would be able to see both of their torsos at the same time? How far apart are they exactly?

And what about split screen then? You want to see both of them so you show one sideways and below her desk? That's nuts.