Mononoke claimed for years that Gostisbehere was a number one defenseman and him and Gudas were the top pair of the future.
- SuperSchennBros

The only argument I have ever heard was Ghost had 65 points once and that makes him elite...

Then you have Gus who had 60 points with 17 goals, more recently might I add, and is complete trash...

The difference, one is a hometown draft pick and the other isn't. Sometimes loyalty makes people delusional. So what do they do? They reflect blame on other players and/or coaches. If it was just one coach then I could understand there could be a bias, but when it is coach after coach saying the same things and actions are the same the answer is pretty evident then.

to be fair...none of us are in the locker room or on the ice in practices. what if Ghost is the "loudest" one in terms of not listening or talking back/disrespecting the coaches recommendations and opinions? Im not saying he is or he isnt but its something to think about if they believe he is a potential ringmaster of people not listening.
- juiced

Maybe, but I don't know that so I don't use those assumptions against him. I go by his play.

I forget which coach it was, maybe Berube, but there were murmurs he was a bit difficult to coach, but far as I'm concerned it was made up because when there is an unknown people will always explain things with drastic measures.

I know most people here hate Ghost but this waiving him just doesn't sit right with me.

Regardless of the real reason, the optics look like he is a scapegoat and the team is using him as punishment when there are plenty of other players who are way more culpable. Voracek being #1 in my eyes.

I understand its a business.
-MBFlyerFan

I personally don't hate Ghost, I simply don't think he is that good. I agree with you however that using him, or anyone as a scapegoat is counter productive.

Y...the only thought is 30 teams in the NHL could have you for FREE and passed. There is no it's more complicated...they said NO THANK YOU.
- Glak18

Cap considerations

Except that things actually do get done for that reason sometimes. Not as a primary reason but as an ancillary consideration.
- bmeltzer

That could explain why some teams have 40-50+ year droughts.

Right now do you think Bernier is an upgrade over Hart and or Elliot?
- login

lol no

I know most people here hate Ghost but this waiving him just doesn't sit right with me.

Regardless of the real reason, the optics look like he is a scapegoat and the team is using him as punishment when there are plenty of other players who are way more culpable. Voracek being #1 in my eyes.

I understand its a business.
- MBFlyerfan

I have to agree. I feel a little sad. I feel he received a bit of a raw deal here. I could still see him being a regular NHL D man with a more stable group and more trusting coach who is wiling to live with his downside for his upside.

Whatever you say about the guy, I don't think he ever lacked fire and spirit. He did not go through the motions for long stretches like several players I can think of, like Hayes.

Cap considerations
- Scoob

Teams that want a good player would figure out a way real quick.

Yeah if waiving Ghost was a "message" in any form, we know 100% where the problem lies in the organization.

If Ghost is unclaimed and plays tonight...the only thought is 30 teams in the NHL could have you for FREE and passed. There is no it's more complicated...they said NO THANK YOU.
- Glak18

Except they cant. You may have been AFK for a while but about 2005 the NHL decided to implement a salary cap. It was in all the papers.

Teams that want a good player would figure out a way real quick.
- Glak18

How does a team like Detroit pass, they barely have any contracts on the book for next year on defense

Except that things actually do get done for that reason sometimes. Not as a primary reason but as an ancillary consideration.
- bmeltzer

Is it possible that this was also done with the ED in mind? If he is picked up on waivers, then that is one less player Seattle could be tempted. It funnels the attention to someone like JVR/Jake, who with sweeteners could perhaps be picked up.

funny I don't even look at the other boards but I just did, very different from my brief look. It is an easy read, I didn't see any comments that looked like novels or pages of 1 v 1 Richard contests. Overall, pretty boring
- wcorvette

People here think a lot more than other boards, and people on the Flyers blog seem to think more than others.

Hexy will claim Ghost, if nothing else for depth at the position.

I personally don't hate Ghost, I simply don't think he is that good. I agree with you however that using him, or anyone as a scapegoat is counter productive.
- jd250

I wish he was awesome and became one of the best defensemen the Flyers have ever had, but reality is what it is.

In my mind Ghost is not and has never been a scapegoat. They have way more problems whether Ghost is playing well or not, but the only way to fix the problem is starting somewhere.

People here think a lot more than other boards, and people on the Flyers blog seem to think more than others.
- PT21

I will say at least people here think for themselves, as stubborn as some folks are I appreciate it

Except they cant. You may have been AFK for a while but about 2005 the NHL decided to implement a salary cap. It was in all the papers.
- MBFlyerfan

I guess that could be as solid as an excuse that can be made if no one claims him...many teams wanted him, but that darn salary cap!

Is it possible that this was also done with the ED in mind? If he is picked up on waivers, then that is one less player Seattle could be tempted. It funnels the attention to someone like JVR/Jake, who with sweeteners could perhaps be picked up.
- PT21

I think a lot of factors weighed into it. That's another possible factor.

I have to agree. I feel a little sad. I feel he received a bit of a raw deal here. I could still see him being a regular NHL D man with a more stable group and more trusting coach who is wiling to live with his downside for his upside.

Whatever you say about the guy, I don't think he ever lacked fire and spirit. He did not go through the motions for long stretches like several players I can think of, like Hayes.
- PT21

I really think there’s more that the Flyers know. Like no one was interested in trading for him. Maybe with the injury to Ekblad amongst some other teams being thin Fletch figured maybe someone will take that contract because they are EXTREMELY desperate. At the same time it’s sending a final wake up call to the vets....wake from this season long slumber or others will also be gassed.
The Lineup Flexibility makes no sense...they are no where close to cap issue.

Hexy will claim Ghost, if nothing else for depth at the position.
- BroadSTmayhem

Not with two of years of term left after this season, he won't.

Yeah.. I was crazy confused by that on the last thread. I still don't fully blame the goalies.. bring in Vas and he'd still let some in with this team d.
- Hextall271

It is a collective effort not just one area. That being said the goalies have been bad. They will need a new goalie next season as if they bring back Elliot then that is terrible.

Hexy will claim Ghost, if nothing else for depth at the position.
- BroadSTmayhem

you dont claim someone making 4.5 for depth.

Hexy will claim Ghost, if nothing else for depth at the position.
- BroadSTmayhem

Penqueens have no cap space from what I've seen, though I could be wrong.

Waiving for a message is what writers and fans make up.

I am curious about the locker room and the make up. Too many times has this been brought up.
- Peter Richards

yep need a narrative that fits an agenda.

Except they cant. You may have been AFK for a while but about 2005 the NHL decided to implement a salary cap. It was in all the papers.
- MBFlyerfan

With no cap he’s definitely claimed in a normal environment. The old pandemic has a play in this as well. There are definitely teams with self imposed lower budgets as a bunch of teams are losing a ton of dough. I think he goes unclaimed.

It is a collective effort not just one area. That being said the goalies have been bad. They will need a new goalie next season as if they bring back Elliot then that is terrible.
- login

Elliot was fine last season backing up Hart, when Hart was playing well. Hell, he's been ok this year too. At this point in his career, I don't think you want Elliot starting 40% of the games. Even if he could, that indicates Hart isn't playing well or is injured, which would be an even larger issue!