Oh man you just started WWIII
- TPC

Some people just want to watch the world burn

How dare you defend Quinn here
- Rangers99

I can take complaining about his systems. I can take complaining about the slow starts (both on the season and at the start of games). I can even stomach the complaints about him mixing up the lines.

But for crying out loud, enough of the blame game already.

I want to make sure I'm getting this straight. It's Quinn's fault that Lemieux, a LW'er, wanted a bigger role on a team that has Artemi Panarin, top 10 goal scorer in the league Chris Kreider, and the 1oa pick Alexis Lafreniere ahead of him?

We're really going to act like it's Quinn's fault that Lias stunk for us and still stinks for LA?

Kravs didn't want to play in Hartford. His issues had nothing to do with Quinn. Kakko was frustrated with his own play. It wasn't related to the coaching staff. If you go back and read the article, it even says, "I wish I was getting top line minutes, but my play hasn't been where it needs to be." If anything, that shows me Quinn is holding him accountable...

Am I missing something? Should we just ignore the fact that Strome and Buch have flourished under Quinn? Ffs, I think I'm close to my limit with this Quinn nonsense and I'm not even the biggest Quinn fan!
- Bean_Dip

Cherry picking individual situations doesn't really help prove your case. Why has the team started like crap the past few seasons? Why did the team look like a dumpster fire in the bubble? Why aren't the forwards developing? Why does the team always seem to come out flat to start games? Why did the team look much better when he was out with Covid?

Like I said I don't get the fire Quinn crew, but there's a lot of people in here who are willing to cover for him when in reality the team could be playing much better as we saw when Quinn was out but people seem to be willing to fall on the sword for him for no reason when he hasn't done anything to prove he's going to be a good NHL coach.

Cherry picking individual situations doesn't really help prove your case. Why has the team started like crap the past few seasons? Why did the team look like a dumpster fire in the bubble? Why aren't the forwards developing? Why does the team always seem to come out flat to start games? Why did the team look much better when he was out with Covid?

Like I said I don't get the fire Quinn crew, but there's a lot of people in here who are willing to cover for him when in reality the team could be playing much better as we saw when Quinn was out but people seem to be willing to fall on the sword for him for no reason when he hasn't done anything to prove he's going to be a good NHL coach.
- newenglandpuck

Talk about cherry picking

See my post above. I'm not a "Quinn guy" in the slightest. I can pull up my own posts from earlier in the year where I was questioning him at the start of the season...

I agree Andersson sucks, but he was our 7th overall pick. The one that bothers me the most out of all of them is LAF not getting more time.
- nyrangers9479

He is going to play about 1000 games. So far, he's through 3% of them.
Maybe, it just might be just a day or two early to make any sort of decisions on him.

Talk about cherry picking

See my post above. I'm not a "Quinn guy" in the slightest. I can pull up my own posts from earlier in the year where I was questioning him at the start of the season...
- Bean_Dip

Did the team not look much better when Quinn was out, yes or no? If it wasn't for Zibanejad's heater after the all star break last year and that getting the team into playoff contention what has he done?

Did the team not look much better when Quinn was out, yes or no? If it wasn't for Zibanejad's heater after the all star break last year and that getting the team into playoff contention what has he done?
- newenglandpuck

So all of the work leading up to that couple game stretch where Quinn was out was for naught? His coaching abilities are strictly limited to what he does in game?

So all of the work leading up to that couple game stretch where Quinn was out was for naught? His coaching abilities are strictly limited to what he does in game?




- Bean_Dip

Keep falling on that sword for him, but he hasn't done anything to overwhelmingly prove he's the guy.

Keep falling on that sword for him, but he hasn't done anything to overwhelmingly prove he's the guy.
- newenglandpuck

You've got me figured out


https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=170343&page=2

So all of the work leading up to that couple game stretch where Quinn was out was for naught? His coaching abilities are strictly limited to what he does in game?




- Bean_Dip

Don't bother, Bean.
There's simply no changing some people's minds.
Quinn is to blame for the problems, but not to be credited with any successes.
I love the "why aren't the forwards progressing."
Um, do you mean Kakko? Or Strome? Or Zib? Or Chytil? Or Buch?
Rooney and Blackwell come in here as nothing players nobody had even heard of. But, the fact that they are favorites right now is in no way to be associated with playing under Quinn.

I agree Andersson sucks, but he was our 7th overall pick. The one that bothers me the most out of all of them is LAF not getting more time.
- nyrangers9479

you know how Laf will get more ice time?

if that line starts keeping the damn puck in the offensive zone for more than 5 seconds

they never keep it in, the opposition gets the puck right out and that line ends up changing on the fly

they'll get longer shifts if they start keeping the damn puck in for a little while

and they actually did a pretty good job vs Washington the other night, finally

Don't bother, Bean.
There's simply no changing some people's minds.
Quinn is to blame for the problems, but not to be credited with any successes.
I love the "why aren't the forwards progressing."
Um, do you mean Kakko? Or Strome? Or Zib? Or Chytil? Or Buch?
Rooney and Blackwell come in here as nothing player nobody has even heard of. But, the fact that they are favorites right now is in no way to be associated with playing under Quinn.
- Tonybere

LOL Kakko the guy who people are calling to scratch, or Strome who no one thinks will live up to his next contract, or Zib the guy who was a ghost until 2 weeks ago, or Chityl the guy who everyone in here is proclaiming a bust and want to move on from? I get it though you probably only read your 4 buddies comments in here and ignore everyone elses.

LOL Kakko the guy who people are calling to scratch, or Strome who no one thinks will live up to his next contract, or Zib the guy who was a ghost until 2 weeks ago, or Chityl the guy who everyone in here is proclaiming a bust and want to move on from? I get it though you probably only read your 4 buddies comments in here and ignore everyone elses.
- newenglandpuck

Well, it's because I think those people are idiots.
How dare I have a differing opinion than a bunch of armchair GMs on Hockey Buzz???
Are you even listening to yourself?
Yeah, people were calling for Kakko to be benched. Then he scored 2 goals
This place is filled with people who don't have the patience to finish peeing before they close the lid on the toilet. And you think their word is gospel for some reason?

I want to make sure I'm getting this straight. It's Quinn's fault that Lemieux, a LW'er, wanted a bigger role on a team that has Artemi Panarin, top 10 goal scorer in the league Chris Kreider, and the 1oa pick Alexis Lafreniere ahead of him?

We're really going to act like it's Quinn's fault that Lias stunk for us and still stinks for LA?

Kravs didn't want to play in Hartford. His issues had nothing to do with Quinn. Kakko was frustrated with his own play. It wasn't related to the coaching staff. If you go back and read the article, it even says, "I wish I was getting top line minutes, but my play hasn't been where it needs to be." If anything, that shows me Quinn is holding him accountable...

Am I missing something? Should we just ignore the fact that Strome and Buch have flourished under Quinn? Ffs, I think I'm close to my limit with this Quinn nonsense and I'm not even the biggest Quinn fan!
- Bean_Dip

Stop bringing logic and common sense to the chaos!

Well, it's because I think those people are idiots.
How dare I have a differing opinion than a bunch of armchair GMs on Hockey Buzz???
Are you even listening to yourself?
Yeah, people were calling for Kakko to be benched. Then he scored 2 goals
This place is filled with people who don't have the patience to finish peeing before they close the lid on the toilet. And you think their word is gospel for some reason?
- Tonybere

I'm not saying they're right, because there are plenty of idiots in here, myself included. Like I said, there's too many idiots who want to fire him after every goal we give up, but there's also too many people in here who will bend over backwards to apologize for him. He's been a very average coach at best, and the track record for NCAA to NHL coaches has not been good. I hope he gets better, that the team doesn't start seasons and games as slow as they seem to under him because having to get a new staff isn't going to be good for players development but the people who are Quinn apologists deserve as much crap as the people who want to fire him after every single thing that goes poorly.

I'm not saying they're right, because there are plenty of idiots in here, myself included. Like I said, there's too many idiots who want to fire him after every goal we give up, but there's also too many people in here who will bend over backwards to apologize for him. He's been a very average coach at best, and the track record for NCAA to NHL coaches has not been good. I hope he gets better, that the team doesn't start seasons and games as slow as they seem to under him because having to get a new staff isn't going to be good for players development but the people who are Quinn apologists deserve as much crap as the people who want to fire him after every single thing that goes poorly.
- newenglandpuck

This whole discussion started because of a tweet that blamed Quinn for mishandling Pepe, Anderson, Kravs and Vessey.

Let's take it one player at a time. If you were the head coach, what would you have done differently than Quinn to make Lemieux happier?

I'm not saying they're right, because there are plenty of idiots in here, myself included. Like I said, there's too many idiots who want to fire him after every goal we give up, but there's also too many people in here who will bend over backwards to apologize for him. He's been a very average coach at best, and the track record for NCAA to NHL coaches has not been good. I hope he gets better, that the team doesn't start seasons and games as slow as they seem to under him because having to get a new staff isn't going to be good for players development but the people who are Quinn apologists deserve as much crap as the people who want to fire him after every single thing that goes poorly.
- newenglandpuck

Fair enough.
I stand up for him solely based on the insanity of the arguments against him. I don't know anything about him before they announced the hire. I find that I like his demeanor and they way he seems to be open and honest with the team, be it good or bad. I like that he insists that the kids learn to play from their own end forward and trusts that their offensive talents will kick in once they are playing "the right way."
Maybe he will fail. IDK.
I just can't pin all these problems on him alone and not the guys on the ice as well.
Plus, maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it seems to me we had a history or poor starts to both games and seasons under AV and Torts, too!
I always said it was Henrik that took a little while to get into game shape. Maybe not.

This whole discussion started because of a tweet that blamed Quinn for mishandling Pepe.

If you were the head coach, what would you have done differently than Quinn to make Lemieux happier?
- Bean_Dip

And then it was brought up that Kakko had been unhappy, and Krastov, and the poor development of Lias, and eventually you'll have to realize that you can't fire all the players but you can fire the coach.

Pepe was handled fine, We didn't have Panarin or Laf when we traded for him. Those 2 players are obviously more talented, and going to get more ice time. My main gripe in here is that there are way too many people willing to defend Quinn when he hasn't done much to warrant the defense yet. The team has been very average at best, and certainly inconsistent under his tenure and if you can't admit that then you're viewing him through rose colored glasses.

And then it was brought up that Kakko had been unhappy, and Krastov, and the poor development of Lias, and eventually you'll have to realize that you can't fire all the players but you can fire the coach.

Pepe was handled fine, We didn't have Panarin or Laf when we traded for him. Those 2 players are obviously more talented, and going to get more ice time. My main gripe in here is that there are way too many people willing to defend Quinn when he hasn't done much to warrant the defense yet. The team has been very average at best, and certainly inconsistent under his tenure and if you can't admit that then you're viewing him through rose colored glasses.
- newenglandpuck

Cool, so you agree. Quinn did not mishandle Lemieux.

On to the next player. If you were the coach, what would you have done regarding Anderson so he didn't go off the deep end?

And to your point about being a Quinn "apologist". Do I have to say it again or post more links to old blogs? I'm not that big of a Quinn fan. I just don't agree that he's the reason for everything that goes wrong with this team.

ugh i wanted this war to last longer

ugh i wanted this war to last longer
- TPC

Richard

I can't believe I'm saying this, but MDW was right. This place has become unbearable with the Quinn bs.

Cool, so you agree. Quinn did not mishandle Lemieux.

On to the next player. If you were the coach, what would you have done regarding Anderson so he didn't go off the deep end?

And to your point about being a Quinn "apologist". Do I have to say it again or post more links to old blogs? I'm not that big of a Quinn fan. I just don't agree that he's the problem for everything that goes wrong with this team.
- Bean_Dip

I'm not sure there's much that could have been done with Lias. I grew up around Hartford and know a girl that used to fool around with him and from what she's told me he's absolutely tapped mentally.

I'm not even necessarily saying you are a Quinn apologist, I'm simply stating there's a lot of them here and I don't quite get it because he hasn't done enough or have a pedigree in the NHL as being a successful coach. He was an OK AHL coach, He was an Good coach at BU which you'd except him to be since they have the facilities, play in the premier conference in college hockey, play in the bean pot, players get to live in Boston, and he had plenty of Top NHL prospects during his tenure. He's been just an average NHL coach so far.

You can just as easily ignore the idiots who call to fire him all the time, no one needs to come rushing to his defense every blog because he really hasn't done much to warrant it.

I'm not sure there's much that could have been done with Lias. I grew up around Hartford and know a girl that used to fool around with him and from what she's told me he's absolutely tapped mentally.

I'm not even necessarily saying you are a Quinn apologist, I'm simply stating there's a lot of them here and I don't quite get it because he hasn't done enough or have a pedigree in the NHL as being a successful coach. He was an OK AHL coach, He was an Good coach at BU which you'd except him to be since they have the facilities, play in the premier conference in college hockey, play in the bean pot, players get to live in Boston, and he had plenty of Top NHL prospects during his tenure. He's been just an average NHL coach so far.

You can just as easily ignore the idiots who call to fire him all the time, no one needs to come rushing to his defense every blog because he really hasn't done much to warrant it.
- newenglandpuck

Cool, so you agree on Lias. Not much for Quinn to have done there. Not his fault for Lias being slow and mental.

Next on that list is Kravs. Boy would I love to know what Quinn has done wrong here, considering he's still with the team and has a bright future in the org. But what would you have done differently in the handling of Kravs?

We'll do this for Kakko next instead of Vesey. I think we both can agree that this exercise would be pointless for him

Richard

I can't believe I'm saying this, but MDW was right. This place has become unbearable with the Quinn bs.
- Bean_Dip

Cool, so you agree on Lias. Not much for Quinn to have done there. Not his fault for being slow and mental.

Next on that list is Kravs. Boy would I love to know what Quinn has done wrong here, considering he's still with the team and has a bright future in the org. But what would you have done differently in the handling of Kravs?

We'll do this for Kakko next instead of Vesey. I think we both can agree that this exercise would be pointless for him
- Bean_Dip

Kravs should have gotten a shot last year out of camp. He played fine in the pre-season, had goals and assists. At least give him a shot before you banish him to Hartford. You do remember we were a long shot to make the playoffs, especially before Shesterkin got called up and Zib went on his heater or do you have selective memory. Chityl got to play as an 18 year old, Lias too, so not sure why Krav didn't get that chance especially after we had to lure him away from Russia.

Kakko was the one who said he was unhappy, he simply didn't get enough chances playing with quality players last year, he had a super short leash but he should have gotten more chances early in the season when the team had no expectations of making the playoffs. You do remember how dominant he was in the world championships right? 6 goals and 7 points in 10 games for the gold medal winners playing against men is pretty good, no?

Like I said, he's a very average coach who gets talked about on here way too much both by the haters and the lovers. But there's been plenty of teams that have turned it around when they have a new voice, and it seems in the past there have been enough players that haven't necessarily enjoyed him being the messenger.