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We got a lot of young guys not used to playing with leads. I'm okay with some blown games. But our power play personnel has been mindboggling all season. It makes no sense. - Pomegrant
It really has been, thats absolutely been the most frustrating part of this season. I figured Pens fans were just trolling in the offseason when they nonstop poop talked about how bad Recchi is, and were incredibly happy that he left, but they weren't joking. He really has no idea how to run a PP |
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Pomegrant
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Location: NJ Joined: 01.18.2010
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It really has been, thats absolutely been the most frustrating part of this season. I figured Pens fans were just trolling in the offseason when they nonstop poop talked about how bad Recchi is, and were incredibly happy that he left, but they weren't joking. He really has no idea how to run a PP - vlongo4419
Seriously. For all the poop I gave for the Ruff hiring at least this team is fun to watch now. We play fast and score goals. Recchi's powerplay makes me want to pull my hair out. The dumb (frank)ing drop pass all the way back wasn't work so now they put two guys back there on the drop pass to enter with speed. Maybe they'll figure out you can skip the drop pass part and just have five guys hitting the line with speed and try to score a goal. |
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MartysBetter88
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Location: 94Nevermore, NJ Joined: 07.01.2010
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I see we lost in overtime. Ho well. |
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What happened with Palmieri - Hockeyislife
Fell onto a skate blade, but he was fine |
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Fell onto a skate blade, but he was fine - vlongo4419
Glad to hear |
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I see we lost in overtime. Ho well. - MartysBetter88
Erika was rocking the 2 tone colors tonight. |
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MartysBetter88
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Location: 94Nevermore, NJ Joined: 07.01.2010
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Erika was rocking the 2 tone colors tonight. - RubberBiscuitz
2 tone? sorry I missed it. |
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MartysBetter88
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Location: 94Nevermore, NJ Joined: 07.01.2010
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Fell onto a skate blade, but he was fine - vlongo4419
Part of me is surprised this doesn't happen more often.. but part of me isn't. lots of pads, but lots of falling near skates. hm. |
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Marchand is everything this league wants out of the game, but give him a free reign. Never picks a fight against some one bigger. He needs to get pounded because the league won't do the right thing. - redmonsters
No. Marchand is everything the league pretends to want out of the game; but doesn’t care if it’s on a top team. Same with Wilson.
If you had someone doing the same jackass dangerous plays on NJ or Buffalo they’d be penalized during the games and suspended by the league when warranted. |
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Use Jack “Yakupov” Hughes as the sweetener to move PK. - WayneZ
Just happened to read your comment. Not trolling....I just don't watch Devils enough and was wondering how Hughes is doing. NYR dealing w/ growing pains as well w/ youngsters. Tough year and a half for rookies coming into the league. |
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Seriously. For all the poop I gave for the Ruff hiring at least this team is fun to watch now. We play fast and score goals. - Pomegrant
Even though we still don't generate a lot of goals at least watching how generate offense makes sense. Looks to me like they take more shots from down low and try to hit the guy in the high slot more. These guys can at least cycle or more accurately maintain zone time with putting a lot of pressure on the puck and trying to outman defenders by getting the D to jump into the play....
Anyway, just really wanted to say Daneyko and Cangi touched on your question of 'If a goal against is waived off for goaltender interference, how is there not a penalty on the other team?' Kenny was not definitive but believes that assessing a penalty on the review was at the discretion of the refs....
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Location: Moncton, NB Joined: 01.16.2012
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Just happened to read your comment. Not trolling....I just don't watch Devils enough and was wondering how Hughes is doing. NYR dealing w/ growing pains as well w/ youngsters. Tough year and a half for rookies coming into the league. - rrentz
He's had a slower start to his career than many anticipated, but he's still trending upwards. He's a lot like Hischier in that when he's on the ice, the Devils generate a lot more scoring chances. It's not like he's invisible... you basically know it every time he's on the ice. He's a presence for sure. He's just not NHL lethal, yet.
TBH, the guy he had the best chemistry with this year is Miles Wood, but the Devils are convinced that Wood shouldn't be in the top six. Once the team sheds its ridiculous player politics, they'll finally match Hughes up with two grunts that support his play. Wood and McLeod are the two best grunts on this team aside Zacha, but Zacha is the team's monkey wrench now. This is probably Zacha's final form: a guy you shift up and down your line-up if you have injuries.
The kid's got star talent, zero doubt about that... the amount of penalties he draws alone justifies how much he annoys other teams with his buzzing around, but once he's well complemented, he's going to explode in production. We saw signs of it early in the season when he was playing with Wood during the whole taxi squad chaos.
The biggest mistake the team is making is putting Bratt with him. The two are too similar in play style in that they're both better with the puck on their stick than they are with it not on their stick. I get that Bratt is a pretty good pinball peg (catching passes well and dishing it well), but them two lack scoring.
I like Bratt's skill game, and he's real slick, but to be honest, you can't have a successful NHL team with Bratt, Hischier, and Hughes in your top six unless one of them suddenly develops a lethal wrist shot. (If Hughes developed a lot more zip on his shot, he's the best candidate). One of them has to go. Bratt would be the odd man out. |
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He's had a slower start to his career than many anticipated, but he's still trending upwards. He's a lot like Hischier in that when he's on the ice, the Devils generate a lot more scoring chances. It's not like he's invisible... you basically know it every time he's on the ice. He's a presence for sure. He's just not NHL lethal, yet.
TBH, the guy he had the best chemistry with this year is Miles Wood, but the Devils are convinced that Wood shouldn't be in the top six. Once the team sheds its ridiculous player politics, they'll finally match Hughes up with two grunts that support his play. Wood and McLeod are the two best grunts on this team aside Zacha, but Zacha is the team's monkey wrench now. This is probably Zacha's final form: a guy you shift up and down your line-up if you have injuries.
The kid's got star talent, zero doubt about that... the amount of penalties he draws alone justifies how much he annoys other teams with his buzzing around, but once he's well complemented, he's going to explode in production. We saw signs of it early in the season when he was playing with Wood during the whole taxi squad chaos.
The biggest mistake the team is making is putting Bratt with him. The two are too similar in play style in that they're both better with the puck on their stick than they are with it not on their stick. I get that Bratt is a pretty good pinball peg (catching passes well and dishing it well), but them two lack scoring.
I like Bratt's skill game, and he's real slick, but to be honest, you can't have a successful NHL team with Bratt, Hischier, and Hughes in your top six unless one of them suddenly develops a lethal wrist shot. (If Hughes developed a lot more zip on his shot, he's the best candidate). One of them has to go. Bratt would be the odd man out. - archromat
Now that was a well thought out response.. Thanks
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They must not be tired of watching him turn the puck over 2-3 times per shift, his 8-10 shots per game directly into defenders shin pads, his constant loss of board battles, his terrible defensive zone coverage, or his soft-ass perimeter-styled floating around the offensive zone. I’d trade him before anyone else realizes he’s the next Nail Yakupov and he has no trade value. - WayneZ
Someone has to drive the offense on this club. We've been pumping Zacha's tires all season and he is still just 0.57 ppg in his hottest season ever........ If anything, package Zacha. I have far more faith in Hughes future, as well as the fact that Sharangovich looks very promising as a 3C going forward. |
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No. Marchand is everything the league pretends to want out of the game; but doesn’t care if it’s on a top team. Same with Wilson.
If you had someone doing the same jackass dangerous plays on NJ or Buffalo they’d be penalized during the games and suspended by the league when warranted. - Queenie_5_hole
I can't stand these haters. Wilson gets punished more than anyone for every hit he makes. Some were absolutely dirty plays, but most were hits so hard, it basically went through the guys shoulders and through to their heads. He simply hits too hard. He has 22 points through 26 games this season, and is aiming for his 3rd consecutive 20+ goal season. Who on the Devs can say that? And if so, can they hit/fight and stick up for their teammates.
Marchand is a 99 point star, who did everything necessary to get his team involved in the game. He scored, and they ended up with a win. We are the ones who look like a joke. Guy spent 7 minutes in the box, punches whoever he wants without repercussion from a single Dev, and scores a goal all in a win. I wish we had him.
Now guys like Matt Cooke and Dan Carcillo....... Couldn't string together a 10 point season, refused to back up their words with their fists, and only seemed to hit to injure. They deserve to get the boot.
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devils2929
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I would laugh in their faces if the Devils wanted to trade Jack Hughes for Kakko
I switched right to the Devil game after Ranger game was done
Jack Hughes is an absolute tulip on ice, he's a tiny little tulip..
From a Rangers fan on their blog.. They are so funny..
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WayneZ
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Location: Yay we're relevant again, VA Joined: 01.28.2008
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Someone has to drive the offense on this club. We've been pumping Zacha's tires all season and he is still just 0.57 ppg in his hottest season ever........ If anything, package Zacha. I have far more faith in Hughes future, as well as the fact that Sharangovich looks very promising as a 3C going forward. - bikeguy99
He isn't driving the offense. He was producing at a .34 PPG rate in his rookie season, and he is at .47 PPG through 34 games this season. Keep in mind, this is our "first line" center getting 1st unit PP time. Whether you just watch him on a shift to shift basis or you look at the numbers, he is pretty disappointing. The kid is fast and that is not debatable. The problem is he has terrible hockey sense. He loses the puck every time he tries to stick handle into the zone, he makes errant and ill-advised passes, he floats around the perimeter completely afraid of contact, he shoots the puck directly into defenders time and time again, and he is a defensive liability. He is weak on the draw, he does not have an NHL caliber shot, he is knocked off his feet nearly every single shift, and he simply isn't producing. Trust me, I want to the kid to be a star but, I'm looking at this strictly from a non-fan perspective. And I know he is young but so are Janne, Smith, and Sharangovich and they are all producing and excelling at their respective roles. Jack is 94% hype and 6% living up to that hype thus far in his career. I really hope he evolves into something greater but the numbers dont lie. He is exponentially closer to being the next Nails Yakupov than Austin Mathews. |
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I can't stand these haters. Wilson gets punished more than anyone for every hit he makes. Some were absolutely dirty plays, but most were hits so hard, it basically went through the guys shoulders and through to their heads. He simply hits too hard. He has 22 points through 26 games this season, and is aiming for his 3rd consecutive 20+ goal season. Who on the Devs can say that? And if so, can they hit/fight and stick up for their teammates.
Marchand is a 99 point star, who did everything necessary to get his team involved in the game. He scored, and they ended up with a win. We are the ones who look like a joke. Guy spent 7 minutes in the box, punches whoever he wants without repercussion from a single Dev, and scores a goal all in a win. I wish we had him.
Now guys like Matt Cooke and Dan Carcillo....... Couldn't string together a 10 point season, refused to back up their words with their fists, and only seemed to hit to injure. They deserve to get the boot. - bikeguy99
This isn't in the context of yesterdays game. Baby Marchand was just being a poop disturber and that fine. But if you want to defend a guy who turned Mojo's brains into tapioca for absolutely no reason after the play was over on a blindside hit, your an idiot. He got 5 games for that and Mojo lost most of a season and had lingering effects longer.
Yes, Wilson has been suspended a lot because he is a complete POS dirty player.
The fact these guys are actually productive doesn't make them any less dangerous.
https://www.bing.com/vide...AE0BB9C1817D&&FORM=VDRVSR
This is not an acceptable hockey play. Stop blaming the victims.
If you make contact with someone's shoulder while targeting their head it doesn't make it a legal play. That's an idiotic argument. These are hits intended to injure players. It's retarded. |
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He isn't driving the offense. He was producing at a .34 PPG rate in his rookie season, and he is at .47 PPG through 34 games this season. Keep in mind, this is our "first line" center getting 1st unit PP time. Whether you just watch him on a shift to shift basis or you look at the numbers, he is pretty disappointing. The kid is fast and that is not debatable. The problem is he has terrible hockey sense. He loses the puck every time he tries to stick handle into the zone, he makes errant and ill-advised passes, he floats around the perimeter completely afraid of contact, he shoots the puck directly into defenders time and time again, and he is a defensive liability. He is weak on the draw, he does not have an NHL caliber shot, he is knocked off his feet nearly every single shift, and he simply isn't producing. Trust me, I want to the kid to be a star but, I'm looking at this strictly from a non-fan perspective. And I know he is young but so are Janne, Smith, and Sharangovich and they are all producing and excelling at their respective roles. Jack is 94% hype and 6% living up to that hype thus far in his career. I really hope he evolves into something greater but the numbers dont lie. He is exponentially closer to being the next Nails Yakupov than Austin Mathews. - WayneZ
What are you talking about? He's not driving offense? Why are you talking out of your ass instead of actually doing a tiny bit of research because you clearly aren't "looking at the numbers". He is consistently the best forward on the team night in and night out, outside of a handful of games. Of course he turns the puck over, it's because he has the puck more than anybody on the team. He's the best on the team, or top top 5 at worst, in every single analytical category you can name and leads the team in shot contributions pretty much every single game. Thats called driving offense, he is literally the best offense driver on the team. Period. The puck just isn't going in for him, or his linemates. You can numbers dont lie but the numbers say the opposite of what you're saying. I think what you're saying is "i only boxscore watch and he hasnt put up a ton of points therefore he clearly isn't playing well."
Has he had some defensive lapses? Sure, but his overall defensive game this season has actually been better than anybody would have expected. Hes taken quite a nice step there.
As for him getting knocked around, its gonna happen. He put on 15 pounds or whatever in the offseason but i guarantee you he's dropped it all by this point. Every player drops in weight throughout a normal season, but now its very condensed AND he had covid. So i guarantee you he's back to his playing weight from last season or atleast close to it. He definitely needs to continue to add weight over the next few years" but he will. We saw that coming into this season. Im not worried about that at all |
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WayneZ
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What are you talking about? He's not driving offense? - vlongo4419Why are you talking out of your ass instead of actually doing a tiny bit of research because you clearly aren't "looking at the numbers" . He is consistently the best forward on the team night in and night out, outside of a handful of games. Of course he turns the puck over, it's because he has the puck more than anybody on the team. He's the best on the team, or top top 5 at worst, in every single analytical category you can name and leads the team in shot contributions pretty much every single game. Thats called driving offense, he is literally the best offense driver on the team. Period. The puck just isn't going in for him, or his linemates. You can numbers dont lie but the numbers say the opposite of what you're saying. I think what you're saying is "i only boxscore watch and he hasnt put up a ton of points therefore he clearly isn't playing well."
Has he had some defensive lapses? Sure, but his overall defensive game this season has actually been better than anybody would have expected. Hes taken quite a nice step there.
I know. It's hard to accept. Again, a guy centering the top line, with 1st unit PP time, having a .47 points per game average tells you all you need to know. What numbers are you looking at? He is being outscored by a rookie defender. |
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WayneZ
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What are you talking about? He's not driving offense? Why are you talking out of your ass instead of actually doing a tiny bit of research because you clearly aren't "looking at the numbers". He is consistently the best forward on the team night in and night out, outside of a handful of games. Of course he turns the puck over, it's because he has the puck more than anybody on the team. He's the best on the team, or top top 5 at worst, in every single analytical category you can name and leads the team in shot contributions pretty much every single game. Thats called driving offense, he is literally the best offense driver on the team. Period. The puck just isn't going in for him, or his linemates. You can numbers dont lie but the numbers say the opposite of what you're saying. - vlongo4419I think what you're saying is "i only boxscore watch and he hasnt put up a ton of points therefore he clearly isn't playing well."
Has he had some defensive lapses? Sure, but his overall defensive game this season has actually been better than anybody would have expected. Hes taken quite a nice step there.
I listed numerous qualitative examples of where he is failing, none of which show up in the box score. Take off your fan boy glasses and try to look at it without bias. |
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I know. It's hard to accept. Again, a guy centering the top line, with 1st unit PP time, having a .47 points per game average tells you all you need to know. What numbers are you looking at? He is being outscored by a rookie defender. - WayneZ
No bias here my friend. Just stating the facts. Theres more to the game and someone playing bad or well than just boxscore watching. You said he isn't driving the offense. Thats just completely false |
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WayneZ
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No bias here my friend. Just stating the facts. Theres more to the game and someone playing bad or well than just boxscore watching - vlongo4419
Yeah, I read Todd Cordells advanced analytics blog on Hughes too. The underlying numbers show that we outchance the opposition when he is on the ice, etc, etc. Anyone who is watching the games sees the gaping flaws in his game. If I'm crazy, why do you think Ruff benched him the other day. The kid has a loooooong way to go. I hope he becomes the next Kane, but I'm just starting to accept a different reality for him. |
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Yeah, I read Todd Cordells advanced analytics blog on Hughes too. The underlying numbers show that we outchance the opposition when he is on the ice, etc, etc. Anyone who is watching the games sees the gaping flaws in his game. If I'm crazy, why do you think Ruff benched him the other day. The kid has a loooooong way to go. I hope he becomes the next Kane, but I'm just starting to accept a different reality for him. - WayneZ
Ruff benched him for the end of the 1st because he got lazy on defensive coverage that lead to a goal. Nothing to do with his offensive play driving, which is what im talking about. Its fine if youre ignorant to the facts |
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