Obviously no idea what he’s thinking but he’s made good money, played with 1 franchise his whole career. Unless management tells him we are going in a new direction I see him signing back on for a fair deal.
- ClaudeFather

hope this is the case, i'd like to see him retire here. luv giroux.

The 2009-10 team was feeling the pressure of being The Hockey News and Bob McKenzie's preseason Cup favorite. It took until they squeaked into the playoffs to finally play to their potential.

That said, losing Emery to what, at the time, was feared to be a career-threatening hip injury -- after he'd gotten off to a very strong start in the first six weeks -- and then between injuries to Boosh, claiming Leighton off waivers (and then he got injured, too) and having to call up Johan Backlund (and even HE got injured.... pulling his groin in his NHL debut), it was going to be tough on any team to be consistent.

There was also a massive change in system after John Stevens was fired and Lavy was hired.... almost night-and-day difference in system emphasis and in their respective coaching styles. Took time to adapt.

Behind the scenes, there was some division between some of the vets and some of the younger players but nothing they couldn't work through. Pronger could be sarcastic, abrasive or encouraging. It all depended on the situation. Timonen was a more even-keeled leader. Wasn't nearly as vocal, but when he talked, everyone listened.

Richards led through his competitiveness on the ice. He didn't particularly enjoy off-season training. He wasn't as naturally gifted as some other players; not a pure speedster, or a lights out shooter, good playmaker but not in the Giroux category. But he truly hated to lose and once the puck dropped, Richards gave you everything he had and was relentless.
- bmeltzer

Yeah, it takes all types of voices and approaches. John Stevens the foster dad. Lavi the human pep rally/helmet puncher. Richie who will give you 'the shift'. Gagne and Kimmo as consummate pros. And Prongs being Prongs.

In the end, it was team with a lot of very young players that needed time to figure poop out. Pronger was just as much the impetus for the eventual turnaround as Lavi and Ville Leino and Michael Leighton. Boy, did they come close.

whats a fair deal?
- login

A fair deal is probably dependent on the other guys, they take care of Coots, resign who needs to be resigned and then they talk.

Yeah, it takes all types of voices and approaches. John Stevens the foster dad. Lavi the human pep rally/helmet puncher. Richie who will give you 'the shift'. Gagne and Kimmo as consummate pros. And Prongs being Prongs.

In the end, it was team with a lot of very young players that needed time to figure poop out. Pronger was just as much the impetus as Lavi and Ville Leino and Michael Leighton. Boy, did they come close.
- Tomahawk

What a weird ending as well, the uncertainty of that goal had gone in. I’ve just recently came around to not hating Patrick kane

Well, I am realistic too. I'd be fine with some smart changes, but trade everyone, blow it up, enough patience with the kids.. not smart IMO. We weren't able to fill that top pair d position, and our younger players simply aren't ready to step into the role. it's going to take time, and I want them to win/make the dance for the experience. There not a lot of sense in tanking for a pick when we can't scout.
- Hextall271

Not trading everyone. Just the 3 who have been here for a decade. Have no issue trading the "young" players if it is a hockey trade; now mind you don't want aging vets on their last legs as the return.

hope this is the case, i'd like to see him retire here. luv giroux.
- Ftown19125

If you really luv him don't you want to see him win a cup in his career?

A fair deal is probably dependent on the other guys, they take care of Coots, resign who needs to be resigned and then they talk.
- ClaudeFather

The other guys will have no bearing on his deal imo. I fully expect at a minimum 2 years at 5 per. Wont be shocked at 4 years.

If you really luv him don't you want to see him win a cup in his career?
- login

yes, going to another team guarantees him a cup. you're right.

The 2009-10 team was feeling the pressure of being The Hockey News and Bob McKenzie's preseason Cup favorite. It took until they squeaked into the playoffs to finally play to their potential.

That said, losing Emery to what, at the time, was feared to be a career-threatening hip injury -- after he'd gotten off to a very strong start in the first six weeks -- and then between injuries to Boosh, claiming Leighton off waivers (and then he got injured, too) and having to call up Johan Backlund (and even HE got injured.... pulling his groin in his NHL debut), it was going to be tough on any team to be consistent.

There was also a massive change in system after John Stevens was fired and Lavy was hired.... almost night-and-day difference in system emphasis and in their respective coaching styles. Took time to adapt.

Behind the scenes, there was some division between some of the vets and some of the younger players but nothing they couldn't work through. Pronger could be sarcastic, abrasive or encouraging. It all depended on the situation. Timonen was a more even-keeled leader. Wasn't nearly as vocal, but when he talked, everyone listened.

Richards led through his competitiveness on the ice. He didn't particularly enjoy off-season training. He wasn't as naturally gifted as some other players; not a pure speedster, or a lights out shooter, good playmaker but not in the Giroux category. But he truly hated to lose and once the puck dropped, Richards gave you everything he had and was relentless.
- bmeltzer

Forget about lunchpail guys, I'll take one of these players on the team...I mean one that actually shows results from it.

Saying you hate to lose is easy, really hating to lose and proving it with on/off the ice work ethic every night, body language, mentally and physically challenging teammates both publicly and privately and performing on the ice and making sure your teammates do as well.

The other guys will have no bearing on his deal imo. I fully expect at a minimum 2 years at 5 per. Wont be shocked at 4 years.
- login

Not saying he is going to take pennies but I could see him taking anywhere from 3-5M depending on the cap situation

yes, going to another team guarantees him a cup. you're right.
- Ftown19125

Is that what I said? No it is not. Going to many other teams increases his chances over staying here.

Not saying he is going to take pennies but I could see him taking anywhere from 3-5M depending on the cap situation
- ClaudeFather

We shall see. He still produces. Starts at 5 imo unless he falls off a cliff next season.

What a weird ending as well, the uncertainty of that goal had gone in. I’ve just recently came around to not hating Patrick kane
- ClaudeFather

The one thing about that team was they would never say die. They routinely gave up leads in the regular season and made a habit of battling back late. Served them well in the stretch run and the PO's, especially that 0-3/0-3 comeback vs Boston.

Is that what I said? No it is not. Going to many other teams increases his chances over staying here.
- login

well it's pointless to discuss it anyway because the flyers are going to make him an offer and giroux is going to laugh at them and turn it down. and couturier is going to test free agency.

problem solved.

Hate to seemingly pile on the negativity after a win, but shortening the bench like that is not going to be sustainable down the stretch. And I really hope Lyon proves capable because riding Elliot while Hart tries to figure things out would be a recipe for disaster IMO. I'm hoping to see close to a 50/50 split while Hart is out.

As fans, we have the luxury of looking at things on a very long term level. With that said, if this team has any intentions of re-signing Couts and/or G then I really hope they're not gonna be playing them 20+ minutes per night to eek out a few wins in this almost certainly lost season.

well it's pointless to discuss it anyway because the flyers are going to make him an offer and giroux is going to laugh at them and turn it down. and couturier is going to test free agency.

problem solved.
- Ftown19125

Have a blessed day. BLM.

If the Flyers had lost night, I think at least one of Laczynski or Allison would have been recalled and would be in the lineup tomorrow night.

They aren't going to rush Wisdom.
- bmeltzer

the biggest thing with young players if they have to be physically developed to play in the NHL. The players in the NHL are huge, and they skate like the wind, a deadly combination. The worst thing you could do is throw a skinny 175lb kid in the NHL, that will get him injured in a heartbeat, e.g. Morgan Frost.

the biggest thing with young players if they have to be physically developed to play in the NHL. The players in the NHL are huge, and they skate like the wind, a deadly combination. The worst thing you could do is throw a skinny 175lb kid in the NHL, that will get him injured in a heartbeat, e.g. Morgan Frost.
- jd250

[Lists all the young players smaller than Frost who haven't had injury issues]

Not trading everyone. Just the 3 who have been here for a decade. Have no issue trading the "young" players if it is a hockey trade; now mind you don't want aging vets on their last legs as the return.
- login

Said many times that i'd be open to moving Jake if we could find a way. Maybe it will mix up the chemistry which I believe may be part of the problem we have.

We shall see. He still produces. Starts at 5 imo unless he falls off a cliff next season.
- login

With the cap lowered and flat over the next few seasons, all FA deals are going to be lower. I don't sign G for more than $4M per season.

Giroux is going to have to take a team friendly deal. If he doesn't, then the Flyers have a decision to make.
- MJL

I see them figuratively switching cap hits (Giroux and Coots). Not exactly mind you, but I see Coots getting 5 years in the 8-9 million range and G getting 4 years in the 5-6 range.

The response by Hayes - "It's an honor to play in this league and this organization. It ultimately came down to hard work", just isn't sitting right for me for some reason.

I would expect it to come from a player who is on the trading block.

well it's pointless to discuss it anyway because the flyers are going to make him an offer and giroux is going to laugh at them and turn it down. and couturier is going to test free agency.

problem solved.
- Ftown19125

Haha.. Forgot to add that we'll trade Bee and hart for some solid vets..

Lunchpail types who can also play/score are already in the system... Allison (if he can stay healthy) is a power forward with a well above-average shot. Laczynski plays a two-way game, is versatile enough to move around a lineup and play any forward position. He also has some skill, as demonstrated by the between-the-legs shorthanded breakaway goal to complete a hat trick last Friday. As long as can play to the NHL pace, he's going to be a valuable role player.

At age 18, Wisdom plays a fearless, gritty game, gets to the net, is heavy on pucks and is a strong complement to a playmaking linemate. He still has some off-puck and puck management skills to improve but he seems to be fast-tracking.

I don't think these players will be NHL stars but they all bring elements the Flyers need.
- bmeltzer

You need more than lunchpail guys, this Flyers team seriously lacks shoot-first finishers! Look how many shots the Flyers need just to score 1 goal! Look at how much energy they have to expend, shift after shift, just to generate a half decent shot! Look at how average the Flyers PP has been over the past decade for the most part. This Flyers team needs finishers, to me this is the biggest problem with the mix on this team right now, too many pass-first players that don't have a snipers mentality or skillset. That is why I am really hoping Tyson Foerster works out, because then at least you have him and Farabee to build around. If I were Fletcher, this would be my priority in the offseason, signing a veteran winger that has a shoot-first mentality and a good shot.

the biggest thing with young players if they have to be physically developed to play in the NHL. The players in the NHL are huge, and they skate like the wind, a deadly combination. The worst thing you could do is throw a skinny 175lb kid in the NHL, that will get him injured in a heartbeat, e.g. Morgan Frost.
- jd250

Allison and Lacynski are freaking gym rats....they are SOLID, strong kids who both play a physical game. They have been in college weight rooms for years and dealing with large college players on the ice. Your worry is unwarranted when it comes to either of them.