This team sorely misses a lunch pail guy in the top 6, we need a modern day mike Knuble. A guy like Zach Hyman maybe
- ClaudeFather

Lunchpail types who can also play/score are already in the system... Allison (if he can stay healthy) is a power forward with a well above-average shot. Laczynski plays a two-way game, is versatile enough to move around a lineup and play any forward position. He also has some skill, as demonstrated by the between-the-legs shorthanded breakaway goal to complete a hat trick last Friday. As long as can play to the NHL pace, he's going to be a valuable role player.

At age 18, Wisdom plays a fearless, gritty game, gets to the net, is heavy on pucks and is a strong complement to a playmaking linemate. He still has some off-puck and puck management skills to improve but he seems to be fast-tracking.

I don't think these players will be NHL stars but they all bring elements the Flyers need.

I would love this to be true. Do you think G would give up the 'C' to a player like Couts, then sign a new deal at about half of what he is making now? If so I would be in!
- jd250

Giroux is going to have to take a team friendly deal. If he doesn't, then the Flyers have a decision to make.

I know this is not popular and it does pain me to post this, but we have to move on from Giroux if this team is ever going to take the next step. This team sorely lacks leadership from the top. After the game last night, Giroux admitted that he didn't say a word between the 2nd and 3rd periods, but instead it was Braun and Laughton doing all the talking and showing good leadership; his words, not mine! I'm sorry, though its good to have more than 1 voice in the locker room, the player wearing the 'C' should have kicked it off, and he was silent. Then we wonder why this team continually have bad starts to games, are not prepared to compete and are very streaky over the past several years.

The fact that AV essentially challenged this veterans to be leaders and didn't even go into the locker room also speaks to the problem in leadership this team has. Its time to move on from G! Next year he is basically on a 1 year $8M contract, similar to what Taylor Hall played for this year. I think there will be tons of teams interested in Giroux post expansion draft, and the Flyers should be able to get good prospects in return, and clear out some cap space for Couturier and Hart. Just my opinion, don't beat me up. Sometimes you have to break glass, or just rip the band aide off!
- jd250

wont need much $ for Hart at this point.

To me if I was a playoff team I rather have clode for 2 runs instead of 1. That being said we all know full well he aint being moved. He will likely resign whenever that period opens up. He can go help another team; his time is up here imo

Lunchpail types who can also play/score are already in the system... Allison (if he can stay healthy) is a power forward with a well above-average shot. Laczynski plays a two-way game, is versatile enough to move around a lineup and play any forward position. He also has some skill, as demonstrated by the between-the-legs shorthanded breakaway goal to complete a hat trick last Friday. As long as can play to the NHL pace, he's going to be a valuable role player.

At age 18, Wisdom plays a fearless, gritty game, gets to the net, is heavy on pucks and is a strong complement to a playmaking linemate. He still has some off-puck and puck management skills to improve but he seems to be fast-tracking.

I don't think these players will be NHL stars but they all bring elements the Flyers need.
- bmeltzer

Will these guys be ready when we need them though? If those are the guys we are counting on, I would think this off-season we should probably try to move some vets and go younger.

But I can guarantee, if someone like Pronger was in that locker room, he'd be speaking his mind. I know some will say they're two different types of leaders, and that all fine, but the big difference is Pronger has a cup, and G doesn't.
- dramado

Pronger was here in 2010 when the team was just as inconsistent as this squad... I'm sure he stood up many a time and singled teammates out to no avail. Rumor was that half the room hated his guts.

The flyers season will be like last nights game. They will actually start playing better at the end of the season.
The problem is they most likely pull the season out and get into the playoffs.

Giroux is going to have to take a team friendly deal. If he doesn't, then the Flyers have a decision to make.
- MJL

Obviously no idea what he’s thinking but he’s made good money, played with 1 franchise his whole career. Unless management tells him we are going in a new direction I see him signing back on for a fair deal.

Pronger was here in 2010 when the team was just as inconsistent as this squad... I'm sure he stood up many a time and singled teammates out to no avail. Rumor was that half the room hated his guts.
- Tomahawk

He wasn't the captain though, so he wasn't allowed to speak.

Obviously no idea what he’s thinking but he’s made good money, played with 1 franchise his whole career. Unless management tells him we are going in a new direction I see him signing back on for a fair deal.
- ClaudeFather

Agreed.

I hear what you're saying but when you bring up Pronger, you lose me. We know that Pronger was a leader on that 2010 team but he wasn't the captain. So was it okay for him to get up and talk in between periods? Of course it was. Leadership does not always have to come from the captain and leadership is done in many different ways.
- MJL

I didn't say that leadership was only on the captain. Pronger didn't wear the 'C', but he was the real captain in many peoples eyes. When he spoke, his teammates listened. I'm glad that vets like Laughton and Braun stepped up and had their say. They should be doing that, obviously. G definitely leads on the ice in times like these, but when you have a team that has a decade of inconsistent starts (games and seasons), and the same guy is leading the charge that whole time, then sensible people will want a new leader eventually. When we lost Pronger, we lost our swagger.

Will these guys be ready when we need them though? If those are the guys we are counting on, I would think this off-season we should probably try to move some vets and go younger.
- ClaudeFather

If the Flyers had lost night, I think at least one of Laczynski or Allison would have been recalled and would be in the lineup tomorrow night.

They aren't going to rush Wisdom.

Pronger was here in 2010 when the team was just as inconsistent as this squad... I'm sure he stood up many a time and singled teammates out to no avail. Rumor was that half the room hated his guts.
- Tomahawk

I'd say it was the half of the room that were part of the problem.

I didn't say that leadership was only on the captain. Pronger didn't wear the 'C', but he was the real captain in many peoples eyes. When he spoke, his teammates listened. I'm glad that vets like Laughton and Braun stepped up and had their say. They should be doing that, obviously. G definitely leads on the ice in times like these, but when you have a team that has a decade of inconsistent starts (games and seasons), and the same guy is leading the charge that whole time, then sensible people will want a new leader eventually. When we lost Pronger, we lost our swagger.
- dramado

You said you agreed with the other poster. So then what was the problem if Giroux didn't speak in-between the 2nd and 3rd period and Braun and Laughton did instead?

If the Flyers had lost night, I think at least one of Laczynski or Allison would have been recalled and would be in the lineup tomorrow night.

They aren't going to rush Wisdom.
- bmeltzer

Flyers should disregard the win and do it anyway. Treat it like they lost.

But you have to look at the big picture. Its not that the Flyers had to come back frantically and score 4 straight goals in the 3rd and OT to win this game, its that the Flyers didn't show up to play against the worst team in the league, got down 3-0 after two periods and only generated 12 shots on goal to that point.

Its the fact that this Flyers team, as talented as they are, are playing like dog-poop this entire season, and will not be making the playoffs. Its the fact that this Flyers team over the past 8 years have gone through 5 head coaches and have seemingly gotten no where closer to fielding a team that can actually contend. They consistently don't show up to games, are mentally fragile and thus are very streaky. What is worse is no matter how many new or young players we add to the mix, the culture that has existed on this team quickly envelops them and they become fragile as well. Case in point Carter Hart. He comes out of the WJC a champion, and within 2 years of playing in this culture can't stop a shot from 25 feet! The culture needs to change here before it infects every young prospect we have! And to change the culture, you must change the leadership!
- jd250

Not sure why anyone cant grasp this concept. It isn't a matter of producing. That isn't the issue. The Holy Trinity you need to move on from; at a minimum 2 of the 3. But hey clode rose to the occasion; again. What a joke.

He wasn't the captain though, so he wasn't allowed to speak.

- MJL

You need to re-read my original post, my man...
"I understand that it's not all on the captain to get everyone going"

You need to re-read my original post, my man...
"I understand that it's not all on the captain to get everyone going"
- dramado

That was not referring to you.

Leadership is a problem, no doubt but we don't have to move on from Giroux. What has to happen is that Giroux needs to become a complimentary player and the young player have to grow and make it their team. That is the future.
- MJL

No he needs to be removed. As long as he is around not much will change. No matter what role he plays. Sad thing is no young plyers is ready for prime time. Clode still outscores them.

You said you agreed with the other poster. So then what was the problem if Giroux didn't speak in-between the 2nd and 3rd period and Braun and Laughton did instead?
- MJL

I think you enjoy arguing about things for the sake of arguing. Unlike some others here, I won't spend my day arguing with you about things I said that you drew incorrect conclusions from.

Pronger was here in 2010 when the team was just as inconsistent as this squad... I'm sure he stood up many a time and singled teammates out to no avail. Rumor was that half the room hated his guts.
- Tomahawk

The 2009-10 team was feeling the pressure of being The Hockey News and Bob McKenzie's preseason Cup favorite. It took until they squeaked into the playoffs to finally play to their potential.

That said, losing Emery to what, at the time, was feared to be a career-threatening hip injury -- after he'd gotten off to a very strong start in the first six weeks -- and then between injuries to Boosh, claiming Leighton off waivers (and then he got injured, too) and having to call up Johan Backlund (and even HE got injured.... pulling his groin in his NHL debut), it was going to be tough on any team to be consistent.

There was also a massive change in system after John Stevens was fired and Lavy was hired.... almost night-and-day difference in system emphasis and in their respective coaching styles. Took time to adapt.

Behind the scenes, there was some division between some of the vets and some of the younger players but nothing they couldn't work through. Pronger could be sarcastic, abrasive or encouraging. It all depended on the situation. Timonen was a more even-keeled leader. Wasn't nearly as vocal, but when he talked, everyone listened.

Richards led through his competitiveness on the ice. He didn't particularly enjoy off-season training. He wasn't as naturally gifted as some other players; not a pure speedster, or a lights out shooter, good playmaker but not in the Giroux category. But he truly hated to lose and once the puck dropped, Richards gave you everything he had and was relentless.

I think you enjoy arguing about things for the sake of arguing. Unlike some others here, I won't spend my day arguing with you about things I said that you drew incorrect conclusions from.
- dramado

So you're saying that I drew the incorrect conclusion from this comment you made?

" I agree with an earlier poster about his response to the post-game question regarding if he talked to the group in the second intermission."

I think I pointed out a contradiction in your post and you're upset about that.

Lunchpail types who can also play/score are already in the system... Allison (if he can stay healthy) is a power forward with a well above-average shot. Laczynski plays a two-way game, is versatile enough to move around a lineup and play any forward position. He also has some skill, as demonstrated by the between-the-legs shorthanded breakaway goal to complete a hat trick last Friday. As long as can play to the NHL pace, he's going to be a valuable role player.

At age 18, Wisdom plays a fearless, gritty game, gets to the net, is heavy on pucks and is a strong complement to a playmaking linemate. He still has some off-puck and puck management skills to improve but he seems to be fast-tracking.

I don't think these players will be NHL stars but they all bring elements the Flyers need.
- bmeltzer

so another several years out before they even can carve that type of role. Cant depend on Allison to stay healthy as his track record indicates otherwise.

Based on the roster who are Allison and Tanner going to bump out anyway? Maybe raffle doesn't get resigned an NAK? Not saying I wouldn't give them a shot as I would. Cant see the GM not being active in trades and free agency so trying to see where they fit in 2021

Giroux is going to have to take a team friendly deal. If he doesn't, then the Flyers have a decision to make.
- MJL

please define team friendly in your opinion in term and money

Obviously no idea what he’s thinking but he’s made good money, played with 1 franchise his whole career. Unless management tells him we are going in a new direction I see him signing back on for a fair deal.
- ClaudeFather

whats a fair deal?

Not negative at all imo; realism.
- login

Well, I am realistic too. I'd be fine with some smart changes, but trade everyone, blow it up, enough patience with the kids.. not smart IMO. We weren't able to fill that top pair d position, and our younger players simply aren't ready to step into the role. it's going to take time, and I want them to win/make the dance for the experience. There not a lot of sense in tanking for a pick when we can't scout.