Login may have his faults, but he is smarter than you and better at critical thinking. Both he and SMS are well above average here.

I don;t say this to put you down (you are above average too) or build them up. Just a guy who has taught thousands of adult students and is used to seeing interaction and gauging intelligence.
- PT21

Like I said, how desperate do you have to be? What makes you think I have any interest in what you think about me? There is nothing you can say to me that I would take seriously. You're incapable of putting me down. One thing I learned in life is that anytime you have someone who constantly has to self promote or tell you he has expertise in something, is a fraud. Especially when they claim to have expertise in umpteen areas.

- Scoob

I have had it now.

I better flee before he comes back and does his usual 'bantam rooster on cocaine' shtick.

Tank tank tank.

That's it. Write this loser season off, think real hard about who actually returns.

I would seriously try for Eichel. Like a Darryl Morey 'firsts are meant to be moved for tangible assets' type of serious.

Time for a new era,

ZERO THANKS TO HEXTALL. 0.

Of course you do. You are free to diagnose the Flyers chances, and I am free to diagnose your diagnosis.

And my diagnosis is this: sports is the last refuge in our age for those who lust for the flavor of irrational faith.
- PT21

So tell me again why is it that you are a sports fan?

First, his median ranking is very unlikely to be #11, as I mentioned before.

I have not missed any point except that the one you insistently manufacture, because I have never once argued that Provorov is a dreg. Provy is pretty good, and going to get better. Did I ever say otherwise?

But look where past champions have had their players ranked in key positions. Look how many of our key players need to ascend, look how many have already slipped from last year to this, look at the salary cap, the contracts, the expected deterioration of vets, and really the only reasonable diagnosis is that a cup is a long shot for the foreseeable future.
- PT21

1) Where are we finding these rankings and who is doing the ranking?

2) Every team at one point or another is at the point where their key players need to ascend. That's called team development.

3) The Flyers cap is not in bad shape relatively speaking. Most teams are going to have some issues with the flat cap for the next 2-3 years. They do have a few problem contracts. Or at least contracts that will be a problem.

4)Vets deteriorating is a normal progression. Off set by the progression of young players and prospects. Flyers have a strong stable of young players.

5)The Cup is a long shot for most teams.

Also scratched Konecny, Lindblom and Myers. Scratching a player does not mean that a coach does not trust a player.
- MJL

Add all three of them together. Still haven’t been scratched as much as ghost. He was scratched in the playoffs as well. But complete trust. I don’t see it. No.

1. So, what's the point of waiving Ghost? Unknown, you can bet there will be guessing again tomorrow afternoon once we know if he is claimed or clears.

2. If he doesn't get picked up does that mean they'll be able to bring him back up and drop him back down to the taxi squad without having to expose him again? Yes, for 30 days or 10 games...something like that.

3. Is this just about clearing some cap space? At least partly, whether that motivation is for this season or next remains to be seen.
- NC Flyers Fan

Question about three. What do you mean for next season. Getting picked up off waivers?

Like I said, how desperate do you have to be? What makes you think I have any interest in what you think about me? There is nothing you can say to me that I would take seriously. You're incapable of putting me down. One thing I learned in life is that anytime you have someone who constantly has to self promote or tell you he has expertise in something, is a fraud. Especially when they claim to have expertise in umpteen areas.
- MJL

Oops, too late.

The best way to show disinterest is to not:

1. obsessively respond to every post.
2. Or (as sometimes last year), respond several times to the same post.
3. Or (as sometimes last year) not revise the same post several times during many hours.
4. Or (as always) to not get entangled in arguments about things you know extremely little about in either spirit or substance.

Blathering like a madman and going off the deep end in response to a poster and splitting his posts into zillions of parts and then cutting and pasting quotes tags all over defies your assertion you care so little. I wish you would show your lack of caring more.

Instead of attacking thesis of other posters, come up with some of your own. Come up with a reasoned essay on why you think Flyers would be contenders in the next 5 years, piecing together all the problems and their remedies.

Cheers.

So tell me again why is it that you are a sports fan?

- NC Flyers Fan

This is a very good question. I wonder that more and more.

I guess I didn't get the memo that the cover charge for worship was my brain.

Question about three. What do you mean for next season. Getting picked up off waivers?
- Peter Richards

Yes, he has two more years on his contract that would be removed from the Flyer’s books if he is claimed.

So...you are describing a top pairing candidate...young well-rounded, big-minutes all situations defenseman with a good shot and excellent hockey sense. At only 24 years of age, perfect partner for a offensively skilled all-situation veteran. If only we had the pair!
- NC Flyers Fan

Agree. Imo he is literally the poor mans hedman. Hedman is just that one step ahead in every category. If provie is a 9. Hedman a 9.2 to 9.5. Depending on category.

If provie had that one thing ( speed, massive shot, hard hitter). I think the league would all over the hype train. Instead he quietly goes about his business and we haven’t won anything. And as you said 24. Has been asked and out until a number one role about two years early. Imo when your that good it’s a little hard to always take advice or lean on a Braun type for advice. Where nisky helped him as well imo. Wish someone like kimmo was here through his first couple of years.

Yes, he has two more years on his contract that would be removed from the Flyer’s books if he is claimed.
- NC Flyers Fan

Just making sure I’m tracking. Yes would be amazing. Imo unless sheltered d men like ghost come playoff time get eaten.

Oops, too late.

The best way to show disinterest is to not:

1. obsessively respond to every post.
2. Or (as sometimes last year), respond several times to the same post.
3. Or (as sometimes last year) not revise the same post several times during many hours.
4. Or (as always) to not get entangled in arguments about things you know extremely little about in either spirit or substance.

Blathering like a madman and going off the deep end in response to a poster and splitting his posts into zillions of parts and then cutting and pasting quotes tags all over defies your assertion you care so little. I wish you would show your lack of caring more.

Instead of attacking thesis of other posters, come up with some of your own. Come up with a reasoned essay on why you think Flyers would be contenders in the next 5 years, piecing together all the problems and their remedies.

Cheers.
- PT21

Nuance is very important. I have no interest nor do I place any weight in your opinion of me. That is quite different from having interest in posting and talking hockey. I find it really fun and entertaining to expose you on a daily basis. I definitely have interest in that. Seems as though you are confused. For someone who frequently posts about other posters intelligence, this is quite ironic.

Now let's get back to hockey and discuss how you will blindly accept any ranking you find of players on the internet without knowing who is actually doing the ranking or what methodology they used if it supports your premise. However when a player ranking is presented by actual experts, you'll invent some excuse and claim that there is an issue with the methodology while claiming expertise fraudulently when it doesn't support your premise.

Agree. Imo he is literally the poor mans hedman. Hedman is just that one step ahead in every category. If provie is a 9. Hedman a 9.2 to 9.5. Depending on category.

If provie had that one thing ( speed, massive shot, hard hitter). I think the league would all over the hype train. Instead he quietly goes about his business and we haven’t won anything. And as you said 24. Has been asked and out until a number one role about two years early. Imo when your that good it’s a little hard to always take advice or lean on a Braun type for advice. Where nisky helped him as well imo. Wish someone like kimmo was here through his first couple of years.
- Peter Richards

I have to disagree here. The gap between Hedman and Provorov is way bigger than that. Provorov is not close to being the player that Hedman is. A player like Hedman is like Pronger was. He completely controls the game. He controls the puck, the pace of play, where the puck goes and is dominant on both sides of the puck. Provorov is a good player but he is not in the class of Hedman

I have to disagree here. The gap between Hedman and Provorov is way bigger than that. Provorov is not close to being the player that Hedman is. A player like Hedman is like Pronger was. He completely controls the game. He controls the puck, the pace of play, where the puck goes and is dominant on both sides of the puck. Provorov is a good player but he is not in the class of Hedman
- MJL

That’s pretty much what I said. But ok.
Add up the total.

That’s pretty much what I said. But ok.
- Peter Richards

You put Hedman at 9.2 or 9.5. Then Provorov at 9. It is not that close between the two. If Hedman is 9.5, Provorov is like a 7.5. The difference is significant.

You put Hedman at 9.2 or 9.5. Then Provorov at 9. It is not that close between the two. If Hedman is 9.5, Provorov is like a 7.5. The difference is significant.
- MJL

Was looking at it in terms of category. Hence the 9.2-9.5.

Some things provie does yes. But said in every category hedman is that one step above. Like attributes. Skating physicality shot size(can’t learn) passing stick checking. ......defining elements of play.

I have to disagree here. The gap between Hedman and Provorov is way bigger than that. Provorov is not close to being the player that Hedman is. A player like Hedman is like Pronger was. He completely controls the game. He controls the puck, the pace of play, where the puck goes and is dominant on both sides of the puck. Provorov is a good player but he is not in the class of Hedman
- MJL

That is a lucid MJL thought I agree with.

We NEED a player like that. Don't care how we get it.

Tank tank tank.

That's it. Write this loser season off, think real hard about who actually returns.

I would seriously try for Eichel. Like a Darryl Morey 'firsts are meant to be moved for tangible assets' type of serious.

Time for a new era,

ZERO THANKS TO HEXTALL. 0.
- DrMidnite

One thing is for sure, no way Eichel doesn’t request a trade. Good god their team is a mess.

Was looking at it in terms of category. Hence the 9.2-9.5.

Some things provie does yes. But said in every category hedman is that one step above. Like attributes. Skating physicality shot size(can’t learn) passing stick checking. ......defining elements of play.
- Peter Richards

It is more than one step above in every category. That is my point.

It is more than one step above in every category. That is my point.
- MJL

Cool. At provie s age or now?

One thing is for sure, no way Eichel doesn’t request a trade. Good god their team is a mess.
- hereticpride

That is when the vultures start to circle......

I covet these players, if you don't trade or draft one? You break the bank in FA.

Plus you prevent him from going to the Rangers.

I am serious. Any 2 roster players or prospects other than Coutourier, and 3 firsts. Add protections if needed, just try at least.

EDIT: 2 firsts and 2 'right to swap position' firsts.

You put Hedman at 9.2 or 9.5. Then Provorov at 9. It is not that close between the two. If Hedman is 9.5, Provorov is like a 7.5. The difference is significant.
- MJL

Try rating these guys as the ATP rates tennis pros. In that structure Provorov is now a 6.5 player while Hedman is a 7.0 as an elite player/generational player

Try rating these guys as the ATP rates tennis pros. In that structure Provorov is now a 6.5 player while Hedman is a 7.0 as an elite player/generational player
- DANCER

I like that. Sort of how Hockey's Future did things.

Try rating these guys as the ATP rates tennis pros. In that structure Provorov is now a 6.5 player while Hedman is a 7.0 as an elite player/generational player
- DANCER

Yes. I’m also looking at the age. Hedman is 30. He was good but not didn’t dominate until about 24-25. At 24 both hedman is a step ahead.