Not sure both units look like they should score but Ill take the Coots since it has our top player, best PP forward and Ghost is best running the point. They really dont have pure shooter but TK

2nd line will run thru G and Jake, Farabee can shoot but Provy as of yet has not shown himself to be a PP1 QB, let alone Patrick

both units need that sniper
- wcorvette

When you combined the two with the right players, as we did last night, you see results.

TK seems to be in pass first mode since the benching. Team really needs his speed and shooting skill. I like the old TK better.

TK seems to be in pass first mode since the benching. Team really needs his speed and shooting skill. I like the old TK better.
- biggbear77

I mean I look at Travis Konency as another guy who if he isn't scoring only gets noticed for chirping.

Well I think this statement is unfair because Travis Sanheim for example has seen very little power play time in his career. Provorov has produced quite a bit in his time since replacing Ghost. I think people believe Provorov isn’t good on the PP because we’ve been so spoiled by having Ghost before him, Mark Streit before Ghost, Timonen before Streit and of course Chris Pronger.

I'll put it to you like this. Patrick Laine was rumored to be traded here all last summer. Some people like the idea, some people claimed you can't win with a guy like that. Well, why can't you win with a Patrick Laine who is capable of breaking open a game at anytime but can win with a guy like Ghost is poor defensively and doesn't offer much if he isn't scoring?

If the PP is Provorov’s greatest weakness, we’re pretty lucky.
- SuperSchennBros

just from a viewer perspective I have not seen a lot of success for Provy on the PP. I am not saying he is horrible, I just have not seen him being a difference maker consistently. Yeah compared to Ghost and past QB's but I don't think it is unfair to compare and have expectations based upon it. With Sanheim I agree not much time but again comparing Ghost skill set and Sanheims? Clearly to me Ghost is much better.

I agree mostly and I will say the way Sanheim played in the3rd last night is how he needs to play all the time. He used his skating and anticipation to attack and pressure the puck. Myers needs to read this and stay back and give Sanheim the ability to press. Where we don't agree is on the PP, not just with Sanheim but with Provy too. Neither can QB the PP like Ghost. That said if it is a move designed to improve the D, that is ok with me. If they did this and their plan is for Gus or otherwise, that is tone deaf.
- wcorvette

I believe Myers has taken Hagg's place in the flip it out of the zone to the other team department. They must be coached to do that when under duress vs a bad turnover in d-zone. But it seems to me he doesnt use his skating ability for zone exits as much as he did last year. It's stretch pass first and flip out to neutral zone next. He clearly seems to be making suboptimal decisions with the puck more often this year.

I just popped on to see wth happened with ghost, so I didn't read all the posts, but I did see some hate on Provorov. If Chuck said that he was available, EVERY GM in the league would ring his phone. I'm not on the guy's jock or anything, but he is a young dude and he is expected to a TON on this team. Like someone else said, we are lucky the Devils took Zacha. Me and my buddy were on the phone during that draft and we PRAYED that the Devils took Zacha so that he would fall to us next. (Much like we also did with Caufield, but that's a story for another day and hopefully York turns out better than Zacha has so far.)

just from a viewer perspective I have not seen a lot of success for Provy on the PP. I am not saying he is horrible, I just have not seen him being a difference maker consistently. Yeah compared to Ghost and past QB's but I don't think it is unfair to compare and have expectations based upon it. With Sanheim I agree not much time but again comparing Ghost skill set and Sanheims? Clearly to me Ghost is much better.
- wcorvette

Well Provorov had 16 power play points last season (36 overall) and Provorov has 6 power play points this season (17 overall).

I believe Myers has taken Hagg's place in the flip it out of the zone to the other team department. They must be coached to do that when under duress vs a bad turnover in d-zone. But it seems to me he doesnt use his skating ability for zone exits as much as he did last year. It's stretch pass first and flip out to neutral zone next. He clearly seems to be making suboptimal decisions with the puck more often this year.
- biggbear77

he is struggling for sure, been better last 2 but still... I think some of this is their forecheck game is broken at times. The Flyers seem to attack but 1/2 the time the other team flies out of the zone and full speed ahead to the Flyers blue line. why I liked watching Sanheim last night pressing with the O and taking away time and spae from the Sabers in the neutral zone and even the O zone. The Flyers spend to much time defending

Well Provorov had 16 power play points last season (36 overall) and Provorov has 6 power play points this season (17 overall).
- SuperSchennBros

I am not saying a Provy on his game can not run a 2nd unit, he can. From a points perspective I think he has been PP 1 for most of the season and last. That comes with points opportunity.

I just popped on to see wth happened with ghost, so I didn't read all the posts, but I did see some hate on Provorov. If Chuck said that he was available, EVERY GM in the league would ring his phone. I'm not on the guy's jock or anything, but he is a young dude and he is expected to a TON on this team. Like someone else said, we are lucky the Devils took Zacha. Me and my buddy were on the phone during that draft and we PRAYED that the Devils took Zacha so that he would fall to us next. (Much like we also did with Caufield, but that's a story for another day and hopefully York turns out better than Zacha has so far.)
- daddytc

don't recall seeing hate, just some people don't think he should be qbing the first pp unit. no ones doubting he's the best defenseman on the team.

I believe Myers has taken Hagg's place in the flip it out of the zone to the other team department. They must be coached to do that when under duress vs a bad turnover in d-zone. But it seems to me he doesnt use his skating ability for zone exits as much as he did last year. It's stretch pass first and flip out to neutral zone next. He clearly seems to be making suboptimal decisions with the puck more often this year.
- biggbear77

I want to see Hagg play. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an off-the-glass type of defenseman. Otherwise everyone will be whining about failed clears.

Not true, a small majority would be a better guess. He clearly belongs in the top 20 from looking at the results.

The post says there were 20 respondents in the survey, 7 placed Provorov in the top 10, one of those placed him 2nd, and it does not say where Provorov was ranked by the other 13 respondents. He could have been anywhere from 11th to 20th or 30th depending on the length of list used for defenseman.
- NC Flyers Fan

Well, as you note, 13 of the 20 respondents did not have him in his top 10 list. That's an interesting definition of a small majority.

But we can be much more precise than that. Provorov got a total of 29 points out of 1100. Each voter had a total of 55 points to disburse. On average, Provorov received about 0.5 points across each voter, which means on average he was outside the top 10.

Since 6 respondents gave 20 points and the 7th one 9 points, he was ranked as the 6th to 7th best D on average by those 6, the 2nd best by one.

Take away the particular GM who ranked him high, and the highest ranking he could have received is about 9.5. That is if all the other voters who had him outside the top 10 had him ranked as #11, the very highest he could get from them.

Carlson received 27 points. That means if just 3 guys of the 13 others had him ranked as #12 or worse, instead of #11, he would have fallen out of the top 10.

That one GM essentially got him into the top 10 with a utterly outlying vote.

Provie does a lot well. He just doesn’t stand out in one thing with having a rounded skill set. Like not a heavy shot. Not a heavy hitter. Doesn’t have blazing speed. But does everything well.
- Peter Richards

So...you are describing a top pairing candidate...young well-rounded, big-minutes all situations defenseman with a good shot and excellent hockey sense. At only 24 years of age, perfect partner for a offensively skilled all-situation veteran. If only we had the pair!

That same coach played Gostisbehere 19:35 in last night's game. Sometimes you need to look at who you are aligning yourself with and reassess. Are you that desperate?
- MJL

Login may have his faults, but he is smarter than you and better at critical thinking. Both he and SMS are well above average here.

I don;t say this to put you down (you are above average too) or build them up. Just a guy who has taught thousands of adult students and is used to seeing interaction and gauging intelligence.

Well, as you note, 13 of the 20 respondents did not have him in his top 10 list. That's an interesting definition of a small majority.

But we can be much more precise than that. Provorov got a total of 29 points out of 1100. Each voter had a total of 55 points to disburse. On average, Provorov received about 0.5 points across each voter, which means on average he was outside the top 10.

Since 6 respondents gave 20 points and the 7th one 9 points, he was ranked as the 6th to 7th best D on average by those 6, the 2nd best by one.

Take away the particular GM who ranked him high, and the highest ranking he could have received is about 9.5. That is if all the other voters who had him outside the top 10 had him ranked as #11, the very highest he could get from them.

Carlson received 27 points. That means if just 3 guys of the 13 others had him ranked as #12 or worse, instead of #11, he would have fallen out of the top 10.

That one GM essentially got him into the top 10 with a utterly outlying vote.
- PT21

You have missed the point with your emphasis.

The point...
At 24 years old, being even around 11th best defenseman in the NHL (without a steady partner or top performing team for much of his career) is very good. Provy is very good and only getting better. He is a top pairing defenseman.

I'm sorry, I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I've been on the road all day and dont have the stomach to back read. So, what's the point of waiving Ghost? If he doesn't get picked up does that mean they'll be able to bring him back up and drop him back down to the taxi squad without having to expose him again? Is this just about clearing some cap space?

If waiving Gostisbehere and moving a few pieces around means bringing in a more reliable top four defenseman in return, I’m happy with the move.

Most of us forget, we were very lucky that Ivan Provorov dropped to us. The stupid Devils took Pavel Zacha ahead of him. With this said, we already had Travis Sanheim, who would have been groomed to be our number one defenseman if we didn’t get so lucky. Having said all of that, Ghost holds back a Travis Sanheim from offensive situations because Ghost is useless if you don’t use him this way.

The timing is odd because Ghost is having a good year but if there is a move to be made, I’m intrigued to see what’s next.
- SuperSchennBros

The top 10 of that draft was absolutely loaded, the Devils were the only ones that missed. I’m happy with Provorov tho

Login may have his faults, but he is smarter than you and better at critical thinking. Both he and SMS are well above average here.

I don;t say this to put you down (you are above average too) or build them up. Just a guy who has taught thousands of adult students and is used to seeing interaction and gauging intelligence.
- PT21

I'm sorry, I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I've been on the road all day and dont have the stomach to back read. So, what's the point of waiving Ghost? If he doesn't get picked up does that mean they'll be able to bring him back up and drop him back down to the taxi squad without having to expose him again? Is this just about clearing some cap space?
- Dkos

1. So, what's the point of waiving Ghost? Unknown, you can bet there will be guessing again tomorrow afternoon once we know if he is claimed or clears.

2. If he doesn't get picked up does that mean they'll be able to bring him back up and drop him back down to the taxi squad without having to expose him again? Yes, for 30 days or 10 games...something like that.

3. Is this just about clearing some cap space? At least partly, whether that motivation is for this season or next remains to be seen.

- Scoob

I'm sorry, I'm sure this has already been discussed, but I've been on the road all day and dont have the stomach to back read. So, what's the point of waiving Ghost? If he doesn't get picked up does that mean they'll be able to bring him back up and drop him back down to the taxi squad without having to expose him again? Is this just about clearing some cap space?
- Dkos

Nothing to see here, paper move, he'll be dressed and ready for the next game.

You have missed the point with your emphasis.

The point...
At 24 years old, being even around 11th best defenseman in the NHL (without a steady partner or top performing team for much of his career) is very good. Provy is very good and only getting better. He is a top pairing defenseman.
- NC Flyers Fan

First, his median ranking is very unlikely to be #11, as I mentioned before.

I have not missed any point except that the one you insistently manufacture, because I have never once argued that Provorov is a dreg. Provy is pretty good, and going to get better. Did I ever say otherwise?

But look where past champions have had their players ranked in key positions. Look how many of our key players need to ascend, look how many have already slipped from last year to this, look at the salary cap, the contracts, the expected deterioration of vets, and really the only reasonable diagnosis is that a cup is a long shot for the foreseeable future.

You have missed the point with your emphasis.

The point...
At 24 years old, being even around 11th best defenseman in the NHL (without a steady partner or top performing team for much of his career) is very good. Provy is very good and only getting better. He is a top pairing defenseman.
- NC Flyers Fan

Provorov in my mind has been the best drafted player the Flyers have picked since 2015 by a country mile. This includes, Carter Hart, Travis Konency, Joel Farabee or anyone else you can think of.

First, his median ranking is very unlikely to be #11, as I mentioned before.

I have not missed any point except that the one you insistently manufacture, because I have never once argued that Provorov is a dreg. Provy is pretty good, and going to get better. Did I ever say otherwise?

But look where past champions have had their players ranked in key positions. Look how many of our key players need to ascend, look how many have already slipped from last year to this, look at the salary cap, the contracts, the expected deterioration of vets, and really the only reasonable diagnosis is that a cup is a long shot for the foreseeable future.
- PT21

I have looked, I have considered and have a different opinion than you.

I have looked, I have considered and have a different opinion than you.



- NC Flyers Fan

Of course you do. You are free to diagnose the Flyers chances, and I am free to diagnose your diagnosis.

And my diagnosis is this: sports is the last refuge in our age for those who lust for the flavor of irrational faith.