[quote=AxlRose91]
A GM also tried to suggest that Couturier wasn’t a 1C, then compared him to Ron Francis... famously 5th in all time scoring

Wheeler is still here. Wtf you mean?
- Rexypoo

I just watched the CBJ game....Laine looks like he could sign for 9 next year ...900,000 that is. Hope he gets a tax receipt for his charitable giveaways !

Don't need graphs and charts to tell me that......the eye test told me that weeks ago.
- bennythehat

This is a very interesting post. I have to say its the first time I have ever seen you write something that is contrary to what Maurice is seeing. Maurice has been one of Wheeler’s staunchest defenders.

I just watched the CBJ game....Laine looks like he could sign for 9 next year ...900,000 that is. Hope he gets a tax receipt for his charitable giveaways !
- bennythehat

As I have said for last couple of seasons, Laine is on the Jimmy Carson career trajectory. So far he’s proven me right. At least Jimmy Carson can say he was traded for Wayne Gretzky in his prime.

At best Laine will be a 25/25 guy going forward!

This is a very interesting post. I have to say its the first time I have ever seen you write something that is contrary to what Maurice is seeing. Maurice has been one of Wheeler’s staunchest defenders.
- TheUltimateJet

Unlike say, Tortorella, Maurice isn't throwing a player under the bus.

As I have said for last couple of seasons, Laine is on the Jimmy Carson career trajectory. So far he’s proven me right. At least Jimmy Carson can say he was traded for Wayne Gretzky in his prime.

At best Laine will be a 25/25 guy going forward!
- TheUltimateJet

On the 2nd Florida goal, Laine tried his patented skate at 2 KMH and try to stickhandle past the defender. Poke check and 2 on 1 the other way. Seen that failed move many a time before.

Unlike say, Tortorella, Maurice isn't throwing a player under the bus.
- bennythehat

In Tort’s defence he has coached high skilled players well in the past. I think both Lecavalier and St. Louis won Hart Trophies with Torts as coach. He also did well getting lots out of Matt Duchene and Artemi Panarin as well. I remember reading a comment by Brad Richards once praising Torts. It also appears as if both Jones and Werenski like playing for him as well.

I just watched the CBJ game....Laine looks like he could sign for 9 next year ...900,000 that is. Hope he gets a tax receipt for his charitable giveaways !
- bennythehat

Everyone on that team not named “Oliver” looks that way

In Tort’s defence he has coached high skilled players well in the past. I think both Lecavalier and St. Louis won Hart Trophies with Torts as coach. He also did well getting lots out of Matt Duchene and Artemi Panarin as well. I remember reading a comment by Brad Richards once praising Torts. It also appears as if both Jones and Werenski like playing for him as well.
- TheUltimateJet

Anyone read that article about all the Lightning players and coaches “forgetting” to tell Torts where the party was in 2004?

In Tort’s defence he has coached high skilled players well in the past. I think both Lecavalier and St. Louis won Hart Trophies with Torts as coach. He also did well getting lots out of Matt Duchene and Artemi Panarin as well. I remember reading a comment by Brad Richards once praising Torts. It also appears as if both Jones and Werenski like playing for him as well.
- TheUltimateJet

And in Wpg Maurice has coached a Vezina winner. No Cup yet, but Lord Stanley is coming this way this year. I know it's true because you said it, didn't you?

I wouldn't play for Tortorella even it meant forgoing my NHL career, which, by the way, I don't think I'll have to worry about.

Thinking the Jets don't look so bad to Patrik now. Wonder who "the Little" is in CBS that Patrik will blame for his lack of production?

That said, Patrik is a streak scorer, he's liable to rifle in about 15 in the next 10 games.

And in Wpg Maurice has coached a Vezina winner. No Cup yet, but Lord Stanley is coming this way this year. I know it's true because you said it, didn't you?

I wouldn't play for Tortorella even it meant forgoing my NHL career, which, by the way, I don't think I'll have to worry about.

Thinking the Jets don't look so bad to Patrik now. Wonder who "the Little" is in CBS that Patrik will blame for his lack of production?

That said, Patrik is a streak scorer, he's liable to rifle in about 15 in the next 10 games.
- grahamzky

Laine has 49 goals since December 1st 2018 Including playoffs. Considering all the first line power-play time he has seen it’s time to conclude that the goal scoring has basically dried up by his standard. Copp has been a better scorer with Lowry at center. Any struggles he has been having are on him and it’s up to him alone to fix.

And in Wpg Maurice has coached a Vezina winner. No Cup yet, but Lord Stanley is coming this way this year. I know it's true because you said it, didn't you?

I wouldn't play for Tortorella even it meant forgoing my NHL career, which, by the way, I don't think I'll have to worry about.

Thinking the Jets don't look so bad to Patrik now. Wonder who "the Little" is in CBS that Patrik will blame for his lack of production?

That said, Patrik is a streak scorer, he's liable to rifle in about 15 in the next 10 games.
- grahamzky

The number that should concern all Jets fans is 602. That is the record that Maurice holds as most losses by a coach in NHL history.

I know that even I would like to see more of Harkins and Gus against teams like the Senators but at the same time, it's hard to argue against a 4th line that is a combined plus 18. Watching all the youth on Ottawa also is a great reminder of the need for a healthy group of experienced veterans as a mix with the youth. All those little extra things the vets do vs the inexperienced players do add up. The Jets 3rd line is now plus 13.

The "Not so Friendly Giant " is a whopping plus 10 so far. That being said he does play the 5-man unit with the third and 4th lines most of the time all which are heavy to the plus side.

Wheeler an embarrassing minus 14 .Pretty sad on a plus 18 team.

As I stated earlier Morrissey can't seem to hit the net and has 27 wide/high shots this year which leads the team. He misses the net wide about 1 in 3 shots .

The number that should concern all Jets fans is 602. That is the record that Maurice holds as most losses by a coach in NHL history.
- TheUltimateJet

You don't hang around long enough to lose 602 games in the NHL by being a bad coach.

GM's want to win. Owners want to win. So do we fans, but some don't have the patience.

Laine has 49 goals since December 1st 2018 Including playoffs. Considering all the first line power-play time he has seen it’s time to conclude that the goal scoring has basically dried up by his standard. Copp has been a better scorer with Lowry at center. Any struggles he has been having are on him and it’s up to him alone to fix.
- 2.0

Wow, I did not realize it was that bad!

I know that even I would like to see more of Harkins and Gus against teams like the Senators but at the same time, it's hard to argue against a 4th line that is a combined plus 18. Watching all the youth on Ottawa also is a great reminder of the need for a healthy group of experienced veterans as a mix with the youth. All those little extra things the vets do vs the inexperienced players do add up. The Jets 3rd line is now plus 13.

The "Not so Friendly Giant " is a whopping plus 10 so far. That being said he does play the 5-man unit with the third and 4th lines most of the time all which are heavy to the plus side.

Wheeler an embarrassing minus 14 .Pretty sad on a plus 18 team.

As I stated earlier Morrissey can't seem to hit the net and has 27 wide/high shots this year which leads the team. He misses the net wide about 1 in 3 shots .
- jetsnation

You are bang on about the 4th line. I agree that trying to rotate in one of Harkins / Gus should be happening but how or why would you split that 4th line up?

You can see Stanley has the offensive mindset to jump into the play, gets shots through most of the time and seems to be carving out a place for himself. Plus, he is a foul mouthed trash talker so he is developing nicely. Lots of room to grow and develop but I like what I see and no doubt the mgmt like his progress.

Btw, Demelo seems to be settling into last years form, he has picked it up big time in these last 7 - 8 games.

You don't hang around long enough to lose 602 games in the NHL by being a bad coach.

GM's want to win. Owners want to win. So do we fans, but some don't have the patience.
- grahamzky

Yeah, I don't buy what some ppl are selling on the coach. Take Laine and Ros for example, they were apparently "freed" from Pomo to flourish and apply their craft in Columbus...........lol

Speaking of Laine, how many 18 year olds come into the leaque at 18 and produce like he did? Not many, there are a few exceptions like Matthews but lets face it, not many 18 y/o can come in and hit the ground running. To do that, you need support of teammates and coaching staff to teach, support, etc.

And we know that Laine was not a complege player but he had improved certain aspects of his game over his time in Wpg. His last game here was the best I ever seen him play but now look at him. So, you won't convince me that Pomo is a bad coach for player development because we saw the evidence of teaching Laine how to be a more complete player. Now look at him since being freed from Pomo. Look at Ros.

And, a revolving door of coaches isn't the answer either....see Edmonton and Calgary on that topic.

Maurice was also right that Roslovic is not an NHL center......should be a right winger, but Columbus has enough of those.

I know that even I would like to see more of Harkins and Gus against teams like the Senators but at the same time, it's hard to argue against a 4th line that is a combined plus 18. Watching all the youth on Ottawa also is a great reminder of the need for a healthy group of experienced veterans as a mix with the youth. All those little extra things the vets do vs the inexperienced players do add up. The Jets 3rd line is now plus 13.

The "Not so Friendly Giant " is a whopping plus 10 so far. That being said he does play the 5-man unit with the third and 4th lines most of the time all which are heavy to the plus side.

Wheeler an embarrassing minus 14 .Pretty sad on a plus 18 team.

As I stated earlier Morrissey can't seem to hit the net and has 27 wide/high shots this year which leads the team. He misses the net wide about 1 in 3 shots .
- jetsnation

The 4th line is actually a +3. Combining for each player all season is nonsense. They don’t play enough for it to mean anything after like 10 games anyway.

The 4th line is actually a +3. Combining for each player all season is nonsense. They don’t play enough for it to mean anything after like 10 games anyway.
- Rexypoo

This year is fools gold anyways. No way do the fourth line and Adam Lowry get these insane numbers once we are in our real division. We are still second last in the league in high danger shots allowed. We have poor structure and win based on talent alone.

This team based on the current structure will never have an opportunity this good to go all the way.

Just some ultimate thoughts.....

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Good points old Flopper.


quote=Old Flopper]Yeah, I don't buy what some ppl are selling on the coach. Take Laine and Ros for example, they were apparently "freed" from Pomo to flourish and apply their craft in Columbus...........lol

Speaking of Laine, how many 18 year olds come into the leaque at 18 and produce like he did? Not many, there are a few exceptions like Matthews but lets face it, not many 18 y/o can come in and hit the ground running. To do that, you need support of teammates and coaching staff to teach, support, etc.

And we know that Laine was not a complege player but he had improved certain aspects of his game over his time in Wpg. His last game here was the best I ever seen him play but now look at him. So, you won't convince me that Pomo is a bad coach for player development because we saw the evidence of teaching Laine how to be a more complete player. Now look at him since being freed from Pomo. Look at Ros.

And, a revolving door of coaches isn't the answer either....see Edmonton and Calgary on that topic.

This year is fools gold anyways. No way do the fourth line and Adam Lowry get these insane numbers once we are in our real division. We are still second last in the league in high danger shots allowed. We have poor structure and win based on talent alone.

This team based on the current structure will never have an opportunity this good to go all the way.

Just some ultimate thoughts.....
- TheUltimateJet

Very much agree about this season being fools gold, it's going to be interesting to see what some guys around the league get paid based off of this season, could be some bad contracts coming up although maybe the cap being flat and some internal budgets will keep that from happening but I doubt it.

I keep looking at what the Panthers are doing and I look at that lineup and say how is it possible, I'm sure in a normal season they'd be looking at a lottery pick.

Hey Anthony - do you think you will have something new before Logan Stanley retires ?

Wow, I did not realize it was that bad!
- TheUltimateJet

And it will only get worse as long as Domi and Texier are his linemates. Guy can't generate offense, and relies on elite passers teeing him up. I honestly think other under-rated snipers could jump into this roster and notch 30+ per season. Guys like McCann on Pitts, or Thompson on Buff are unreal shooters who remind me of Laine to an extent. Just way better attitudes and much more reasonable salary expectations.

If Laine was still a Jet, he'd have 18-22 goals right now and we would all be worried about him demanding north of 8M AAV. Thankfully, we dodged that and I doubt he stays put in Columbus the way things are going for him over there.

Hey Anthony - do you think you will have something new before Logan Stanley retires ?
- bennythehat

It is kind of sad when other teams have 4 articles in the span of our 1 article every 7-10 days...