See changes above,
Reality is, a series will come down to bounces, special teams and a hot goalie.
I do really like Hyman and Muzzin for you guys to, both great players. I would value Muzzin and Hyman more than Reily and Nylander
- Ross77

I haven’t loved Riellys game the last 2 years. Great passer and skater but after that I find he’s a dud. Has no shot and is terrible defensively.

Hyman I love
Muzzin is solid
Brodie has been the best defender on the team this year as far as consistency goes.

Nylander didn’t have a great couple games here but he’s been one of the best leafs the past month.

I haven’t loved Riellys game the last 2 years. Great passer and skater but after that I find he’s a dud. Has no shot and is terrible defensively.

Hyman I love
Muzzin is solid
Brodie has been the best defender on the team this year as far as consistency goes.

Nylander didn’t have a great couple games here but he’s been one of the best leafs the past month.
- bryant

I like Nylander, I think he is under appreciated in Toronto, just feel what Hyman brings to your team can’t be understate

I like Nylander, I think he is under appreciated in Toronto, just feel what Hyman brings to your team can’t be understate
- Ross77

Stats since the big #CBJ  - #GoJetsGo  trade earlier this season.

Roslovic - 22 PTS in 31 GP
Laine - 14 PTS in 28 GP
Dubois - 14 PTS in 23 GP

Roslovic will be a healthy scratch tonight.

You guys still happy with the trade? Seems like clb is effing up Roslovic and laine.

Stats since the big #CBJ  - #GoJetsGo  trade earlier this season.

Roslovic - 22 PTS in 31 GP
Laine - 14 PTS in 28 GP
Dubois - 14 PTS in 23 GP

Roslovic will be a healthy scratch tonight.

You guys still happy with the trade? Seems like clb is effing up Roslovic and laine.
- bryant

I believe most still like it as there's lots of Laine haters but Dubois hasn't been very good at all for the Jets, he was bad last night and his best games so far were on the wing, hopefully he gets it together soon.

See changes above,
Reality is, a series will come down to bounces, special teams and a hot goalie.
I do really like Hyman and Muzzin for you guys to, both great players. I would value Muzzin and Hyman more than Reily and Nylander
- Ross77

Nylander over Ehlers was the only one I didn’t feel 100% confident about, so that’s a fair point. To say he’s on par with Marner is obviously an over-correction. Don’t need analytics to tell me that Ehlers isn’t in the same league. Matthews and Marner are easily the best two players across both teams

Your third line was buzzing last night, I do like that group. When Keefe had Hyman on the third line with Mikheyev and Engvall, they were a force. With Hyman up, they’re not dominating play like they were

And there’s no way Dubois is a better player than Tavares right now. I’ve watched them both, and Tavares is bringing way more to the table, even in a down year. Would I trade JT for Dubois? Of course. But for now, JT > Dubois

I believe most still like it as there's lots of Laine haters but Dubois hasn't been very good at all for the Jets, he was bad last night and his best games so far were on the wing, hopefully he gets it together soon.
- JetFuel

Getting the disease out of the locker room, makes the trade a winner for the Jets.

Helly aside, our best players were not our best players last night.

Great games for Stanley, Lowry, Copp, and the 4th line !

Nylander over Ehlers was the only one I didn’t feel 100% confident about, so that’s a fair point. To say he’s on par with Marner is obviously an over-correction. Don’t need analytics to tell me that Ehlers isn’t in the same league. Matthews and Marner are easily the best two players across both teams

Your third line was buzzing last night, I do like that group. When Keefe had Hyman on the third line with Mikheyev and Engvall, they were a force. With Hyman up, they’re not dominating play like they were

And there’s no way Dubois is a better player than Tavares right now. I’ve watched them both, and Tavares is bringing way more to the table, even in a down year. Would I trade JT for Dubois? Of course. But for now, JT > Dubois
- AxlRose91

Why do you assume Ehlers is not at Mariners level?

Their anylitics are the same, their points per minute are the same, Ehlers produces better or on par at 5v5.

Do not punish or make assumptions because we have a coach who refuses to play him more and give him more power play time, that’s not Ehlers fault.

He is probably without question the most underrated player in the NHL and he also has a top 10 contract in the league.

Even you are adamant that Marner is better, I’ll say this is not up for argument
Ehlers (with his salary) > Marner (with his salary)

[quote=Ross77]

Agree to disagree, I suppose

But I would bet my house that, given the opportunity to take either player at their current salary, every GM in the league would take Marner over Ehlers

Getting the disease out of the locker room, makes the trade a winner for the Jets.
- bennythehat

Case in point.

[quote=AxlRose91]

I 100% disagree. You could almost get two Ehlers for one Marner based on the salaries. Every GM in the NHL would take two Ehlers in a heartbeat. As for Tavares. There is no way he is even close to being worth $11 MM per year. Maybe two years ago but now that is a contract that is going handcuff the Leafs for many years.

Austin Matthews is the best player on the ice for both teams but not by much over Scheifele. Once again, once the contracts are considered Sheif gets the nod at nearly half the price.

Stats since the big #CBJ  - #GoJetsGo  trade earlier this season.

Roslovic - 22 PTS in 31 GP
Laine - 14 PTS in 28 GP
Dubois - 14 PTS in 23 GP

Roslovic will be a healthy scratch tonight.

You guys still happy with the trade? Seems like clb is effing up Roslovic and laine.
- bryant

Life in the land of Torts. Laine will be California-bound as early next season's training camp. His stock has dropped in his next trade. Roslovic is a hometown boy and he will work things out. He's got lots of skill and is one of the fittest guys in the league. He'll be fine.

[quote=jetsnation]

I hear what you’re saying, but two quarters does not equal 50 cents, when you’re talking about hockey players. Ehlers is good, but he’s not close to Marner. I can’t stress this enough - Marner is WAY better.

Marner - 23 years old, 337 points in 337 games
Ehlers - 25 years old, 293 points in 407 games

It’s a superstar-driven league, so you take one Marner over two Ehlers all day

And again, I’m not arguing JT’s contract. I’d happily swap him for Dubois, given their relative salaries. But Dubois has been flat-out ineffective all year. JT, while he’s digressed vs his first two seasons with TO, is still vastly superior to Dubois at this point in time

Why do you assume Ehlers is not at Mariners level?

Their anylitics are the same, their points per minute are the same, Ehlers produces better or on par at 5v5.

Do not punish or make assumptions because we have a coach who refuses to play him more and give him more power play time, that’s not Ehlers fault.

He is probably without question the most underrated player in the NHL and he also has a top 10 contract in the league.

Even you are adamant that Marner is better, I’ll say this is


- Ross77

Your perceptions about the coach do not really matter here. The facts are that Marner has averaged a point per game since entering the NHL. He currently is fourth in the League in scoring. Ehlers is an excellent player, great skater and a great shot. Marner is one of the best set up men in hockey. He makes what he is worth. Is Ehlers underpaid? Absolutely, you have to consider one of the reasons he is underpaid is because of what Bryan Little who is out for this year still has 3 years left on his deal, is earning for declining returns. Expecting more than 30 points out of Little from ages 34 to 37 (unless he inherits Hossa's jock strap) would be a big ask. Now add the fact that the Leafs are paying Spezza 700K, Simmonds $1.5M and Gallchenyuk $1.05. Ehlers comparable is not Marner, it is Nylander and it is close IMO, I would give the edge to Ehlers honestly.

[quote=winsix][quote=Ross77]


Solid point. And yeah, Ehlers v Nylander is really close. Coin toss. I’d probably go with Ehlers too, but super close

[quote=Ross77]





Why do you assume Ehlers is not at Mariners level?

Their anylitics are the same, their points per minute are the same, Ehlers produces better or on par at 5v5.

Do not punish or make assumptions because we have a coach who refuses to play him more and give him more power play time, that’s not Ehlers fault.

He is probably without question the most underrated player in the NHL and he also has a top 10 contract in the league.

Even you are adamant that Marner is better, I’ll say this is
- winsix

I’m sorry, we can agree to disagree. I just didn’t follow your point? Bryan little is on LTIR and may never play again, How does that come into play on Ehlers great contract? What does the other Leafs on low salaries mean to the Ehlers contract vrs Marner contract debate.

How can you not consider points per minutes and special teams.

If a coach decides to only play Mathews 5min a game and no power play and then decides to play petan 20 min and game and all power play, when petan puts up more points are you going to call him a better player than Mathews?? Absolutely not. You have to consider minutes played and special teams.

Ehlers at his salary is worth more than Marner at his. This is not a knock on Marner, he’s great, just Ehlers is to.

Ehlers also has aspects to his game that Marner does not have. Not sure you’d ever catch Marner dropping his gloves with Cory Perry after Perry cheap shots a teammate. Ehlers jumped at the chance.

I’m sorry, we can agree to disagree. I just didn’t follow your point? Bryan little is on LTIR and may never play again, How does that come into play on Ehlers great contract? What does the other Leafs on low salaries mean to the Ehlers contract vrs Marner contract debate.

How can you not consider points per minutes and special teams.

If a coach decides to only play Mathews 5min a game and no power play and then decides to play petan 20 min and game and all power play, when petan puts up more points are you going to call him a better player than Mathews?? Absolutely not. You have to consider minutes played and special teams.

Ehlers at his salary is worth more than Marner at his. This is not a knock on Marner, he’s great, just Ehlers is to.

Ehlers also has aspects to his game that Marner does not have. Not sure you’d ever catch Marner dropping his gloves with Cory Perry after Perry cheap shots a teammate. Ehlers jumped at the chance.
- Ross77

I didn’t make that comment about Bryan Little. I also got a bit lost trying to interpret that, lol

You make some solid points about usage, etc, but you’re simply wrong about Ehlers v Marner. It’s not even a debate. Marner is exponentially better. Salary is irrelevant - you’d take Marner at $11M v Ehlers for free, because superstars get you wins. I’m not even gonna bring up the fact that Marner is TO’s best penalty-killer, because we really shouldn’t be comparing these two players

If you wanna talk about Ehlers v Nylander, that’s an actual debate. They have (literally) identical point production - both average 0.72 PPG over their careers

Anyways, agree to disagree, as I said earlier

[quote=winsix]
- AxlRose91[quote=Ross77]


Solid point. And yeah, Ehlers v Nylander is really close. Coin toss. I’d probably go with Ehlers too, but super close

Ehlers produces more points than Marner per minutes played but it’s close, If you look at 5v5 the gap is a lot bigger. I don’t understand how you can not consider this?
Blame Maurice not Ehlers

Yes sorry, I’ll stop now lol, agree to disagree. Both great players and last night was a great game

https://pbs.twimg.com/med...iYu?format=jpg&name=large

Can someone send to Maurice

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyEcVNyXIAAuiYu?format=jpg&name=large

Can someone send to Maurice
- Ross77

What does that graph indicate Ross?

I'm not a fancy stat guy, just trying to understand.

I didn’t make that comment about Bryan Little. I also got a bit lost trying to interpret that, lol

You make some solid points about usage, etc, but you’re simply wrong about Ehlers v Marner. It’s not even a debate. Marner is exponentially better. Salary is irrelevant - you’d take Marner at $11M v Ehlers for free, because superstars get you wins. I’m not even gonna bring up the fact that Marner is TO’s best penalty-killer, because we really shouldn’t be comparing these two players

If you wanna talk about Ehlers v Nylander, that’s an actual debate. They have (literally) identical point production - both average 0.72 PPG over their careers

Anyways, agree to disagree, as I said earlier
- AxlRose91

Agree. The point about Little was a reason why Elhers is underpaid is that Little was given a long term deal at $5.3 million even though he is a third liner at best on the Jets. I agree that Nylander is much more of a comparable to Ehlers. Also if you want to compare value per goals - try Hyman to Ehlers. It is an unrealistic argument. Marner is 23 and getting better each year, talking about him dropping the gloves is ridiculous. If there was a do-over of the 2014 draft it would probably be Draisaitl, Pastrnak, Ekblad, Ehlers and Nylander. Marner averages well over a point a game over his last 3 years.

What does that graph indicate Ross?

I'm not a fancy stat guy, just trying to understand.
- JetFuel

Wheeler has been one of if not the worst, leagues defensive forwards this year.

Wheeler has been one of if not the worst, leagues defensive forwards this year.
- Ross77

I see.


He hasn't looked very good to me offensively either, maybe he's been playing hurt from the beginning of the year or just off to a slow start but he hasn't looked as effective as he has in the past.

Wheeler has been one of if not the worst, leagues defensive forwards this year.
- Ross77

Don't need graphs and charts to tell me that......the eye test told me that weeks ago.

Getting the disease out of the locker room, makes the trade a winner for the Jets.
- bennythehat

Wheeler is still here. Wtf you mean?