yeah, it's a surprise. Wolanin has played well enough, and had been seen as a key part of the future defence. He hasn't quite bounced back from shoulder surgery though last year. Hopefully he clears. Would suck to lose him the way we lost Balcers.
- Spacebar

I’m sure someone will grab him. Suprizing.

I think JG is like Phil the thrill. Can feast on bottom 6 and does well on the power play. But put him head to head against a good top line and he disappears.

He would be a good fit in Philly. I like the idea of trading him for Konecky.

I am still pissed Flames missed out on the PLD sweepstakes. He is still developing but kid will become an absolute stud IMO.
- DuranDuran

It seemed to me like he was more pesky early on in his career. Most Flames games I've watched over the last couple of seasons he's more perimeter.

I'm really curious to see what happens player movement wise over the next couple of seasons. Empty stands, flat cap, pandemic, and expansion draft is a set of circumstances that will probably only ever happen once. I think most trades will have to be balanced money wise with not many teams, if any, weaponizing cap space. Which is why I think JG is a tough trade to make and get full value right now.

You're right about PLD. Nobody else had a Laine type to offer in return though. Jets top 6 right up there with the best.

It seemed to me like he was more pesky early on in his career. Most Flames games I've watched over the last couple of seasons he's more perimeter.

I'm really curious to see what happens player movement wise over the next couple of seasons. Empty stands, flat cap, pandemic, and expansion draft is a set of circumstances that will probably only ever happen once. I think most trades will have to be balanced money wise with not many teams, if any, weaponizing cap space. Which is why I think JG is a tough trade to make and get full value right now.

You're right about PLD. Nobody else had a Laine type to offer in return though. Jets top 6 right up there with the best.
- Load Management

Load Man makes a few good points, but 6.25 is pretty decent for a 1st line winger. Most teams could use their LTIR space this year and only have to send back about 4 mill. Dropping 2 the extra 2 mill for next season would just require letting a ufa go and signing a cheaper replacement.

The number one goal this offseason needs to be resigning Gaudreau and Tkachuk. They're not the problem with the team, and if they lose one and keep the other, it's just going to be another decade of mediocrity. Sign both or move both. 8 million is probably a good number for each of them. Go after the full 8 years for Tkachuk and try and get Gaudreau to sign for 5 or 6. Gives them a solid core that can be competitive for a while, especially if they can unload a Giordano/Backlund/Lucic to Seattle.

They also need to try and bring in an Engelland/Forbort type to play with Valimaki. It seems half of the goals the Flames give up is when Valimaki and whoever are on the ice and the slot is just free for the other team.

Can also hope Pelletier and/or Zary can make the team and add a spark.

It's definitely not burn it all down time, unless Gaudreau and Tkachuk want out.

If Hall will sign for cheapish, 5 years 30-35 million, the one crazy thing that might be worth considering is moving Gaudreau or Tkachuk and replacing them with Hall.

Have to wonder if the Sutter hire was an ownership move. Treliving had to know the roster was not a Sutter roster and it wasn't going to turn around in season. They'll be much better with an offseason and a training camp with Sutter.
- Hunkulese

If they extend JG I will not renew my seasons tickets.

Calgary likes Sam alot and he would get Tkachuk easily

Edit : it would have been impossible last year but he has become a major toxic player for them
- gerbe75pts

What say you all? Reinhart for Tkachuk? I doubt Treliving likes Sam that much.

Unfortunately it seems the dressing room divide may be too deep for Sutter to resolve. With the Pacific Division likely to be by far the weakest division for a number of years, management should be looking to take advantage of this opportunity.

It would be foolish to do a complete rebuild, but a significant retool would be wise. Fortunately, the most problematic players have the greatest trade value. If Treliving can avoid the common problem of a GM being over-committed to his own roster, a successful retool should be possible with the Flames coming out much stronger.

Unfortunately it seems the dressing room divide may be too deep for Sutter to resolve. With the Pacific Division likely to be by far the weakest division for a number of years, management should be looking to take advantage of this opportunity.

It would be foolish to do a complete rebuild, but a significant retool would be wise. Fortunately, the most problematic players have the greatest trade value. If Treliving can avoid the common problem of a GM being over-committed to his own roster, a successful retool should be possible with the Flames coming out much stronger.
- Jackie Daytona

I agree with you. Going to have to take a long shower to clean off the filthy feeling then an even longer walk questioning my existence.

What say you all? Reinhart for Tkachuk? I doubt Treliving likes Sam that much.
- Wildschwein

No thanks. How about JG for Cousins?

What say you all? Reinhart for Tkachuk? I doubt Treliving likes Sam that much.
- Wildschwein

Are you speaking for Kassian?

The number one goal this offseason needs to be resigning Gaudreau and Tkachuk. They're not the problem with the team, and if they lose one and keep the other, it's just going to be another decade of mediocrity. Sign both or move both. 8 million is probably a good number for each of them. Go after the full 8 years for Tkachuk and try and get Gaudreau to sign for 5 or 6. Gives them a solid core that can be competitive for a while, especially if they can unload a Giordano/Backlund/Lucic to Seattle.

They also need to try and bring in an Engelland/Forbort type to play with Valimaki. It seems half of the goals the Flames give up is when Valimaki and whoever are on the ice and the slot is just free for the other team.

Can also hope Pelletier and/or Zary can make the team and add a spark.

It's definitely not burn it all down time, unless Gaudreau and Tkachuk want out.

If Hall will sign for cheapish, 5 years 30-35 million, the one crazy thing that might be worth considering is moving Gaudreau or Tkachuk and replacing them with Hall.

Have to wonder if the Sutter hire was an ownership move. Treliving had to know the roster was not a Sutter roster and it wasn't going to turn around in season. They'll be much better with an offseason and a training camp with Sutter.
- Hunkulese

Apart from re-signing Gaudreau, I tend to agree with most of this. I do worry that there is a rub between Gaudreau and Tkachuk right now, and I just don't see him fitting a Sutter system long term, but, could be wrong. Hall needs to come in cheaper than that after the season he's had. Could see a "prove-it" deal next year.

Also agree that letting one of those 3 go to Seattle is necessary. Going to be tough to convince Gio or Backs to waive their NMCs, but do think we need to clear cap space and $5M for a 3C is just too much to spend right now, as is $6.75 on a #4/5 dman.

Are you speaking for Kassian?
- K-man25

Nah, I was just floored that Sabres fans think Reinhart is even close to Tkachuk value wise. Boggled my mind.

No thanks. How about JG for Cousins?
- DuranDuran

Nashville would do that, but you guys shouldn’t.

Nashville would do that, but you guys shouldn’t.
- Wildschwein

Might have meant Cozens from Buffalo? I'd be tempted...

Might have meant Cozens from Buffalo? I'd be tempted...
- rmull905

I did.

Apart from re-signing Gaudreau, I tend to agree with most of this. I do worry that there is a rub between Gaudreau and Tkachuk right now, and I just don't see him fitting a Sutter system long term, but, could be wrong. Hall needs to come in cheaper than that after the season he's had. Could see a "prove-it" deal next year.

Also agree that letting one of those 3 go to Seattle is necessary. Going to be tough to convince Gio or Backs to waive their NMCs, but do think we need to clear cap space and $5M for a 3C is just too much to spend right now, as is $6.75 on a #4/5 dman.
- rmull905

Johnny Hockey won't in CGY much longer if the team continues to circle the drain. Most likely heading to Philly.

Johnny Hockey won't in CGY much longer if the team continues to circle the drain. Most likely heading to Philly.
- LordHumungous

I'm of the opinion that he at least explores free agency and that it would behoove Treliving to at least assess his trade value now if he hasn't already. In terms of pure assets, think he holds the most value to other teams (particularly eastern teams) now.

Have been in a hot debate with a guy around Adam Fox's value - my argument being that his value to Calgary was lessened by his very obvious preference to play for the Rangers and only the Rangers. The Hurricanes got a couple of 2nd rounders out of them for him, and I think the potential net benefit of holding him out of the Lindholm/Hanifin deal was maybe 1 2nd rounder coming our way. Not nothing, but I think had he either had a contract with the Flames or had his preference not been so obvious, they could have received a lot more value for the guy.

Flames need to get something done one way or another before Johnny's team starts making preferences known (if not to play for the Flames).

I'm of the opinion that he at least explores free agency and that it would behoove Treliving to at least assess his trade value now if he hasn't already. In terms of pure assets, think he holds the most value to other teams (particularly eastern teams) now.

Have been in a hot debate with a guy around Adam Fox's value - my argument being that his value to Calgary was lessened by his very obvious preference to play for the Rangers and only the Rangers. The Hurricanes got a couple of 2nd rounders out of them for him, and I think the potential net benefit of holding him out of the Lindholm/Hanifin deal was maybe 1 2nd rounder coming our way. Not nothing, but I think had he either had a contract with the Flames or had his preference not been so obvious, they could have received a lot more value for the guy.

Flames need to get something done one way or another before Johnny's team starts making preferences known (if not to play for the Flames).
- rmull905

Sucks losing Fox, but he didn’t wanna be here. Might have gotten something if we held on and added a different asset to the Lindholm trade. That said, he’s a holdout. He tanked his own value. I’m happy with the return and happy Fox wasn’t traded within the western conference.

If they extend JG I will not renew my seasons tickets.
- DEDDIE

Did you get a refund for the games lost before the bubble season?

Johnny Hockey won't in CGY much longer if the team continues to circle the drain. Most likely heading to Philly.
- LordHumungous

Unless the Flames pull a miracle St Louis run and JG has a monumental turnaround, I suspect he'll be dealt this off season!

Did you get a refund for the games lost before the bubble season?
- geta02it

8 game credit with interest.
I was so pissed when we hung on to Iggy too long in 2010 and i'm not watching that happen again!

8 game credit with interest.
I was so pissed when we hung on to Iggy too long in 2010 and i'm not watching that happen again!
- DEDDIE

I share tickets with another couple and they didn't share that info. Well that pisses me off! Thanks for sharing.

If they extend JG I will not renew my seasons tickets.
- DEDDIE

Don't be an idiot. Of course you will. That's half your schtick.

Don't be an idiot. Of course you will. That's half your schtick.
- Hunkulese

Just a huge fan with a lot of experience in the game unlike yourself you TOOL!
I'm sure you would have went down with Iggy just like Feaster did.

Stall to Montreal with 50% retained for 3rd & 5th.
Time to move Ryan & Rittich in similar deals to bank some cap room to weaponize at the deadline!

Just a huge fan with a lot of experience in the game unlike yourself you TOOL!
I'm sure you would have went down with Iggy just like Feaster did.
- DEDDIE

At least blame the right person. That was on Sutter. He's the one who gave out all the NTCs to everyone he gave a contract to. Wasn't anything Feaster could do about that.

It was also a completely different situation. Iginla didn't want to be traded, he could turn down any trade, the team was awful, and Iginla was at the end of his career.

Gaudreau is in his prime, and the team is a piece or two away from being in contention. Another consistent goal scorer in their top six and everything's different.

Gaudreau is their best player and there's almost no way trading him makes them better. Makes sense to throw a tantrum if they sign him long-term.