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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 25 @ 12:40 AM ET
Seem to be struggling to make a pass tonight.

The team is already on vacation.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 25 @ 12:50 AM ET
Seem to be struggling to make a pass tonight.

The team is already on vacation.

- dbot


Just tonight?
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Mar 25 @ 12:50 AM ET
The Jets shutout streak has had a good diet of Iron. The 7 "pings" can make a nice ringtone too.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 25 @ 12:52 AM ET
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Mar 25 @ 12:54 AM ET
Seem to be struggling to make a pass tonight.

The team is already on vacation.

- dbot


Just Hamonic he's had a horrible game with last 2 goals from his gafs.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 25 @ 1:01 AM ET
Wonder who the lucky Manitoba Save-On shopper is? $100k for a four goal game.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 25 @ 1:01 AM ET
Woo
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:02 AM ET
Woo
- Reubenkincade



Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 25 @ 1:02 AM ET
Wonder who the lucky Manitoba Save-On shopper is? $100k for a four goal game.
- 1970vintage


Be nice if Copp got another one. Make someone a millionaire.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:03 AM ET
Wonder who the lucky Manitoba Save-On shopper is? $100k for a four goal game.
- 1970vintage

Now I'm cheering for a 5th.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 25 @ 1:04 AM ET
Now I'm cheering for a 5th.
- A_SteamingLombardi


👍
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 25 @ 1:07 AM ET
Tampa clearing cap space. Now’s the time to get something from them...
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Mar 25 @ 1:15 AM ET
After the Oil swept the Jets had the feeling Canucks would fall to them.

Undermanned and missing talent they hit the wall. Mental mistakes and posts.

Thus the worse case scenario of the sad sacked season unfolded. Just as sure as death and Marwood waking up miserable; the Canucks lost.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 25 @ 1:31 AM ET
I am not going to be disappointed if the team changes 10-15 players next season.
This team is just a bad mix of players that don't seem to gel together.
Oh well, always next season.

classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Mar 25 @ 2:05 AM ET

I loved the boys effort tonight

I like tonight’s effort over any games during that winning streak.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 25 @ 2:50 AM ET
Give Benning just a few more years to turn this around. 10 years is a fair shot.

The first 5 years was mostly on Gillis, he needs 5 of his own
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K Town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Mar 25 @ 4:03 AM ET
Bubbles break?
Keeping pace in the Turtle derby!
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 25 @ 4:52 AM ET
Give Benning just a few more years to turn this around. 10 years is a fair shot.

The first 5 years was mostly on Gillis, he needs 5 of his own

- Nucker101



Sure that works for you you're young, some of us are on re-build 8.0
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:01 AM ET
I am not going to be disappointed if the team changes 10-15 players next season.
This team is just a bad mix of players that don't seem to gel together.
Oh well, always next season.

- Reubenkincade

Damn do I miss Tanev now. Wish the guy would have taken 2 year deal.

I think 6 new players would do just fine for me for next season.
SlightlyOffside
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 01.25.2016

Mar 25 @ 7:52 AM ET
Damn do I miss Tanev now. Wish the guy would have taken 2 year deal.

I think 6 new players would do just fine for me for next season.

- manvanfan


Similar for me:
* 1 new top 6 (perhaps Podk, asking a lot for a rookie)
* 3 new bottom 6 (to go with Vesey, Motte, Boyd & ZacMac)
* 2 new D (to go with Hughes, Schmidt, OJ, Myers)

New GM will figure out coaching...can’t imagine the front office can remain intact, despite FA’s tweets in support of JB & TG.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Mar 25 @ 7:59 AM ET
Similar for me:
* 1 new top 6 (perhaps Podk, asking a lot for a rookie)
* 3 new bottom 6 (to go with Vesey, Motte, Boyd & ZacMac)
* 2 new D (to go with Hughes, Schmidt, OJ, Myers)

New GM will figure out coaching...can’t imagine the front office can remain intact, despite FA’s tweets in support of JB & TG.

- SlightlyOffside


Ya, that is more realistic.
I do hope they go with the 3 centres Bo, Miller and Elias.

Podkolzin Bo Brock
Gadjovich Elias Lind
Hoglander Miller Jake

As an example.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 8:10 AM ET
So riding Demko's unsustainable play wasn't sustainable?
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Mar 25 @ 8:39 AM ET
Give Benning just a few more years to turn this around. 10 years is a fair shot.

The first 5 years was mostly on Gillis, he needs 5 of his own

- Nucker101


Wow
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 25 @ 8:47 AM ET
Similar for me:
* 1 new top 6 (perhaps Podk, asking a lot for a rookie)
* 3 new bottom 6 (to go with Vesey, Motte, Boyd & ZacMac)
* 2 new D (to go with Hughes, Schmidt, OJ, Myers)

New GM will figure out coaching...can’t imagine the front office can remain intact, despite FA’s tweets in support of JB & TG.

- SlightlyOffside

1 top 6 winger
1 3lc, 1 3lc winger
2 new D.
1 cheap back up.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 8:48 AM ET
Some funny things from The Armies:

Jordan Bateman
@jordanbateman
Would the #canucks basically be Buffalo if not for Demko???
đŸ€”

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The Canucks played around 20 seconds with six players on the ice, and man alive, if my favorite part isn’t the chaotic rogue Tyler Myers:



Watch that clip again and look for Myers at one point deciding he should get off the ice because I guess at some point you feel shame for having that many men on the ice for that long, but then out of nowhere, he swoops back into the scene and steals the puck to end the play.

That is the most chaotic neutral rogue move I have ever seen. He legit flanks his enemy so he can use a sneak attack. The guy lives the gimmick — you have to give it to him.

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Brayden Fengler
@braydenfengler
Everyone has a Tyler Myers on their beer league team. That one guy who pretends not to hear his name being called for a change and magically ends up with the most playing time every game. Classic stuff. #Canucks

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Patrick Johnston
@risingaction
Pulling your goalie with six minutes left needing three goals is very much "this is it" for the playoff dreams.


And then an aggravating part:

Oh, Colin Campbell, we meet again.

For those who missed it, Tim Peel was caught with a hot mic Tuesday talking about wanting to give Nashville a penalty for seemingly “game management” reasons.

You know game management, right? When a ref feels that the game is “off” and just wants to kind of change it up a bit, or if the league has told the refs to handle games a certain way.

It’s like when you play Monopoly and you’re the banker and you take an extra $200 because, honestly, that dice roll that put you in jail rolled off the board so it probably shouldn’t have counted, so it’s fine if you just kind of even things out a bit.

Or maybe you view your ability to hand out penalties as a sort of, I don’t know, gift that you can bestow upon the worthy, like Kerry Fraser.

Sadly, all Doug Gilmour got in his stocking in 1993 was a lump of coal from Fraser. Live by the gift, die by the gift, as it were.

Or maybe a player said something mean to you, so you want to put him in his place, kind of like Stéphane Auger versus Alex Burrows.

Canucks fans remember this one well, because it involved Burrows breaking the unwritten rule of actually talking about the game management side of hockey.

It quickly led to Ron MacLean, friend of referees everywhere, hosting an entire segment with Campbell where MacLean questioned Burrows’ motives at every turn.

Honestly, watch this clip and see how surreal the entire thing feels:



The video is basically dedicated to pointing out that Burrows dives and is an unreliable witness. At one point, Ron throws in a commentary that Burrows is surely thinking “don’t worry I’m just going to get more bang for the buck here” when he’s on the ice. He even exclaims “we all thought he was dead” just to really hammer home that they feel Burrows was hamming it up.

The best part is that while Ron is completely comfortable putting words in Burrows’ mouth, he is equally comfortable taking words out of Auger’s mouth, saying “I can’t imagine (Auger) said ‘I’ll get you I think we can all agree on that,'” as if the entire world has already concluded that Auger is innocent because referees are infallible by design.

If ever you wanted to know why this market has a terse relationship with MacLean, it’s because of this incident. Seeing Ron practically salivating to jump to the next talking point taking down Burrows borders on the kind of comedy the “Red Green Show” could only dream of.

I would hope if I ever do something wrong in my life Ron MacLean can bring me on a show to explain how I didn’t mean to make fun of Drance’s dress shoes, and that clearly Thom is an unreliable witness anyway because he supports below-average goalies from the early 2000s.

And look, nobody is arguing Burrows embellished or played dirty at times. But if your response to a player saying a referee went out of his way to make a call against you because he felt embarrassed is to try to paint the witness as unreliable, then it’s very clear that you’re not very interested in a balanced view.

Now, Ron was front and centre in this video and leads the charge against Burrows, while Colin Campbell slumps his shoulders and comes across as a humble “aw, shucks” guy just trying to do his job as fairly as possible.

But let’s not forget the emails.

Yes, those emails, the ones where Colin Campbell angrily emailed the then-director of officiating Stephen Walkom about calls made against his son, Gregory Campbell.

That’s not a good look, right? A guy with immense power in the NHL, a man who decides upon suspensions, venting away to people below him on the org chart?

If my boss yelled at me about doing something wrong in relation to his kid, I would probably read the room and change up the way I did things, but it’s true, we don’t know how those emails affected anything. But the optics? Pure trash. A tire fire of optics.

To those accusations, though, Colin Campbell explained it away as just a “hockey dad venting.” Nothing was affected by those emails because at the end of the day, it’s easy to see that it was just Hockey Dad Colin having a bit of a gripe session with a buddy, right?

Terrible optics and makes you question everything Colin Campbell does on the job, but sure, he was just a hockey dad having a bad day.

Which brings us all the way back to Tim Peel and the league’s decision to remove him from active duty (he was set to retire in April anyway, so draw your own conclusions of how much of a “punishment” this truly is versus him being an easy fall guy for the NHL to use and say “problem solved!”)

What did Colin Campbell have to say about this decision?

“There is no justification for his comments, no matter the context or his intention, and the National Hockey League will take any and all steps necessary to protect the integrity (of) our game.”

It’s a shame Tim Peel didn’t have a son involved in the game, otherwise he’d be free and clear under the “daddy venting” rule the NHL has in place, but since he does not, now the integrity of the game, context or intention be damned, must be put above all else.

It looks even worse when you go back and watch the interview Campbell had with TSN’s James Duthie about the emails, which old friend Jason Brough covered so well.

Instead of sounding like someone who learned from the experience and puts the integrity of the game above all else, Campbell leans into it being blown out of proportion by those damn bloggers trying to get their 15 seconds of fame!

And, really, look, it only became an issue because he had no idea anyone would ever read said emails! It’s locker room talk! Come on! That’s completely different than a hot mic! It’s a different technology, for crying out loud!

It’s hard not to walk away from this entire situation thinking that Tim Peel, for all his on-ice flaws, is nothing more than a product of a system the NHL has had in place for ages, one that is in dire need of an audit.

As Patrick Johnston wrote so eloquently, if other sports can have mics on their referees the entire game, why not the NHL as well? Everyone agrees being a ref is a hard and thankless job at the best of times, so why not work with them to create a system that can be consistent and teachable?

The cynical explanation is because the NHL has shown a lengthy history of avoiding transparency in all areas of the league, so it’s hard to imagine that significant change will arise from this.

Now, if only someone had written about this back in 2010, about how this situation with Colin Cambell needed to be addressed and what the implications of it all could mean 


Oh, that’s right, Jason Botchford, our dear friend, the Provies and Athletties King, was all over this.

But again, you know, it was just a hockey dad venting. Surely this would never affect any games or playoff runs his son was involved with.

After all, the integrity of the game must rise above all else.


And a follow up:


First time since 1990 that a playoff game had zero penalties.

Even if you dislike tinfoil-hat moments, to quote Ron MacLean, “I think we can all agree” that it isn’t a great look for a pro sports league.
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