Nope neither does.
- mickel25

Ok just looked it up, Tampa has none, but Marlins have more in the last 40 years (2).

I disagree with being completely awful for an extended period of time in the hopes that you hit the draft lottery.

I agree with drafting and developing players correctly. No proof that blowing it up works any better than simply drafting and developing well.
- mickel25

you don't have to blow it up. I dont think moving on from some is blowing it up.

Proof is there that this veteran mix doesn't work.

you don't have to blow it up. I dont think moving on from some is blowing it up.

Proof is there that this veteran mix doesn't work.
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Yes this

you don't have to blow it up. I dont think moving on from some is blowing it up.

Proof is there that this veteran mix doesn't work.
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This veteran group had to carry a franchise that was devoid of talent outside of said veteran group for most of there tenure. Richards and Carter won series because they had talent around them. Not because they were two transcendent players.

Again, I am fine with moving players. I just think that G, Voracek and Coots get blamed for not winning when winning was pretty much impossible.

I do not believe in trading top (Coots) players when still in there prime.

Ok just looked it up, Tampa has none, but Marlins have more in the last 40 years (2).
- Glak18

The Flyers have also been an overall better more competitive franchise over the last 40 years. Marlins stumbled into two WS wins. It worked for two titles so that is one way to do it I guess.

Ok. They are not in a playoff spot. How are they earning there pay? They are 1-2-1 against the soulless Flyers.
- mickel25

They’re mostly playing well. They have a lot of young pieces developing around them. The difference being they aren’t letting their franchise turn into the dumpster fire that the Flyers are.

"The Flyers don't deserve to be deadline buyers"


https://theathletic.com/2...gressive-deadline-buyers/

To move that needle, the Flyers would have to target a player with term remaining on his deal, like Mattias Ekholm, the top name currently on the market. But let’s say they trade for Ekholm. Right now, per The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun, Nashville’s asking price for Ekholm is a first-round pick, an elite prospect and a third asset. OK, Fletcher pays up and sends over his 2021 first and defenseman Cam York, nabbing the deadline’s biggest prize. But that’s not even the full cost of the acquisition. After trading away one of his best prospects to get him, Fletcher undoubtedly won’t want Ekholm to be a mere rental. So he resolves to pay off Seattle to stay away from Ekholm in the expansion draft — which very well could cost another first and another solid prospect.

If the Flyers were cruising to a playoff spot and looked every bit a Stanley Cup threat, that’s a steep price worth paying. Banners hang in the rafters forever. But for this team? A team that is increasingly looking like a long shot to make the playoffs, with team-wide defensive issues and the worst goaltending by save percentage in the league? How could any GM justify shipping out that many assets just to try to salvage a season that very well might already be doomed?

This veteran group had to carry a franchise that was devoid of talent outside of said veteran group for most of there tenure. Richards and Carter won series because they had talent around them. Not because they were two transcendent players.

Again, I am fine with moving players. I just think that G, Voracek and Coots get blamed for not winning when winning was pretty much impossible.

I do not believe in trading top (Coots) players when still in there prime.
- mickel25

I'm not saying they should trade Couturier, but if a team truly drafts well the benefit is being able to maximize value of players so younger ones can slide into roles. That way you fill needed holes while giving younger players (cheaper contracts) more responsibility. The Flyers don't seem to do that very well, they just utilize their young players as just "depth" in the lineup. The whole purpose of depth is when a player or line is not going or injury that others can pick up the slack. Yet for the Flyers when a player or line is struggling it seems everyone is struggling, so that makes depth literally pointless.

you don't have to blow it up. I dont think moving on from some is blowing it up.

Proof is there that this veteran mix doesn't work.
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exactly....its pretty obvious that the team needs to make some changes. But all this "blow it up" talk is a little over board. The Flyers have a lot of good young players....some are ready for prime time, some aren't quite there yet. Personally I think they need to start to break up some of the core pieces and continue to promote from with in while at the same time bring in some new players.
I don't like the over all speed of the team, but they do have some kids that are very good skaters. I think they need to bring in some more physical players for sure. Yes the guy has to be able to play and contribute....but some of these soft (frank)ers aren't doing either. Its time for fletcher to get to work....if he can't find the right move till the summer then so be it, but if they actually find excuses and try and bring back the same squad next year then I will have seen enough of the Chuck Fletcher era.

This veteran group had to carry a franchise that was devoid of talent outside of said veteran group for most of there tenure. Richards and Carter won series because they had talent around them. Not because they were two transcendent players.

Again, I am fine with moving players. I just think that G, Voracek and Coots get blamed for not winning when winning was pretty much impossible.

I do not believe in trading top (Coots) players when still in there prime.
- mickel25

That’s more of a damning statement on the GMs imo. Homer couldn’t work out a big addition on D and Hextall thought he could drafted and develop while letting these guys deal with a deeply flawed NHL roster. Let’s see what Chuck does or doesn’t do this summer.

They’re mostly playing well. They have a lot of young pieces developing around them. The difference being they aren’t letting their franchise turn into the dumpster fire that the Flyers are.
- hereticpride

I guess we will see over the next two games.

This veteran group had to carry a franchise that was devoid of talent outside of said veteran group for most of there tenure. Richards and Carter won series because they had talent around them. Not because they were two transcendent players.

Again, I am fine with moving players. I just think that G, Voracek and Coots get blamed for not winning when winning was pretty much impossible.

I do not believe in trading top (Coots) players when still in there prime.
- mickel25

sounds like excuses to me. It isn't even about just winning. How an you not see that?

Well will selke be in his prime when this team is a legit contender? You ok with an 8 year deal for 8 million + next summer for him?

I'm not saying they should trade Couturier, but if a team truly drafts well the benefit is being able to maximize value of players so younger ones can slide into roles. That way you fill needed holes while giving younger players (cheaper contracts) more responsibility. The Flyers don't seem to do that very well, they just utilize their young players as just "depth" in the lineup. The whole purpose of depth is when a player or line is not going or injury that others can pick up the slack. Yet for the Flyers when a player or line is struggling it seems everyone is struggling, so that makes depth literally pointless.
- Glak18

Couturier is a guy I don't move. He plays the game the right way. He's a leader that leads by example. He's a guy I try and keep.....if he wants to stay...he will be a UFA in a year and a bit.

sounds like excuses to me. It isn't even about just winning. How an you not see that?

Well will selke be in his prime when this team is a legit contender? You ok with an 8 year deal for 8 million + next summer for him?
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Then what is it about? Lack of talent leads to poor product on the ice. That was the case for most of Giroux's tenure.

This year is 30 games of poor play after a season of improvement. The young players have mostly regressed. Is that on Giroux, Voracek and Coots?

Then what is it about? Lack of talent leads to poor product on the ice. That was the case for most of Giroux's tenure.

This year is 30 games of poor play after a season of improvement. The young players have mostly regressed. Is that on Giroux, Voracek and Coots?
- mickel25

Production isn’t the issue with these vets, how is it that this team is never ready to play and takes full periods off? No one is held accountable

Production isn’t the issue with these vets, how is it that this team is never ready to play and takes full periods off? No one is held accountable
- ClaudeFather

That is a great question. I do not know the answer.

Production isn’t the issue with these vets, how is it that this team is never ready to play and takes full periods off? No one is held accountable
- ClaudeFather

Production never was an issue. They are good players no doubt. Same cast of characters with the same issues for x amount of years. Laid back complacency and just a care free attitude. This origination is so irrelevant it is sickening. Let them go produce elsewhere.

Couturier is a guy I don't move. He plays the game the right way. He's a leader that leads by example. He's a guy I try and keep.....if he wants to stay...he will be a UFA in a year and a bit.
- landros 2

Oh I agree, there isn't one player that is close to the consistency Coots has shown over the last 4-5 years. He hasn't been perfect and has gone through slumps, but you know what he is going to bring game in and game out.

Oh I agree, there isn't one player that is close to the consistency Coots has shown over the last 4-5 years. He hasn't been perfect and has gone through slumps, but you know what he is going to bring game in and game out.
- Glak18

Yet the flyers still are mediocre. Sell high imo. With or without him they aint winning squat anytime soon in the next 2/3 years.

Production isn’t the issue with these vets, how is it that this team is never ready to play and takes full periods off? No one is held accountable
- ClaudeFather

I love the fact that multiple people are separating production (stats) and play, where a lot of people don't see the difference.

It should NEVER take games or long streaks to have a wake up call. It should take ONE period or shift to send that message. That is true leadership, but what I am afraid the message being sent to the team is "It's ok guys, relax I've been through this many times...just keep on playing the same way and it will turn around on its own". If that message is even close then who ever is saying it needs to go NOW...that is loser mentality and teams that win don't think that way.

The energy the Flyers played with near the end of the 3rd period is the energy they should be playing with all game long, but we all know that will never happen.

You really never know. Almost everybody here had them making the PO's at the beginning of the season. Now those same people have basically left them for dead. Yet despite playing badly, they're nowhere near the bottom of the league, and within a stone's throw of PO position.

It can turn on a dime. We've seen it before (see: 2010). Goaltending and a few guys get hot and they can become really hard to beat in a hurry. Teams have gone from afterthoughts to powerhouses (see: St. Louis), some even worst to first.
- Tomahawk

Honestly, they should wait until the off season. If some good smart trades are found make them. However as bad as it has been, you can't overreact to this season. This season shouldn't change your mind about any of the young players with the exception of considering who to protect among them and who not for the expansion draft. I'd be fine with moving JVR and Voracek but keep in mind that it's most likely going to be difficult and likely require taking salary back. Couturier and Giroux stays. If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times. The future of this team lies with it's young players. The core of this team moving forward is the young players. Don't abandon course. That was just lead to chaos and cap issues. Tweak the veteran support if you can. Add a good defenseman if you can. Maybe this will teach Dave Scott that nothing has changed and the team is still in the same spot.

I love the fact that multiple people are separating production (stats) and play, where a lot of people don't see the difference.

It should NEVER take games or long streaks to have a wake up call. It should take ONE period or shift to send that message. That is true leadership, but what I am afraid the message being sent to the team is "It's ok guys, relax I've been through this many times...just keep on playing the same way and it will turn around on its own". If that message is even close then who ever is saying it needs to go NOW...that is loser mentality and teams that win don't think that way.
- Glak18

I get the difference. So why doesn't the team respond when a line has a great shift? Why doesn't that spur the rest of team on? Is it just poor leadership? Poor coaching?

Why does the team take the next shift off after scoring? I am genuinely interested to understand why these things happen.

"The Flyers don't deserve to be deadline buyers"


https://theathletic.com/2...gressive-deadline-buyers/
- MBFlyerfan

Sounds faimiliar

I get the difference. So why doesn't the team respond when a line has a great shift? Why doesn't that spur the rest of team on? Is it just poor leadership? Poor coaching?

Why does the team take the next shift off after scoring? I am genuinely interested to understand why these things happen.
- mickel25

I am 100% in the same boat...I want to know too. The only ones that can really answer that, obviously without their media filter on, are the players. The players have to know "Wow we really sucked that shift, let's not do that again" or "Why can't I keep myself engage all game?". I mean every single player knows how they are playing, they don't even have to change the whole team just themselves, but don't. Maybe it's even worse and the players are in denial and think they are playing well.