What does "move on" even mean? Coots and Giroux I don't have a problem with. Coots is one of the best defensive centers in the league and scored 30 goals multiple times. Giroux had his most productive years over the last four.

If they traded Voracek I would be ok with that. Who else is a veteran that has been here for a long time? Raffl?

What else are you "moving on" from?
- mickel25

Giroux, Voracek, JVR, Laughton. That’s a significant amount of cap space and what most of the forward lines are built around. Set some accountability for a change. These guys haven’t gotten it done and we clearly need to invest our cap space more wisely.

Sell on Coots too if the offers are sky high.

Yup you never know, just my two cents
- ClaudeFather

You could be completely right...most of the guys a team drafts never even get a cup of coffee with the team. I think the AHL will be the measuring stick for most of the guys.

At this point I think you have to move on, nothing points to this team being a contender in the next couple years
- ClaudeFather

You really never know. Almost everybody here had them making the PO's at the beginning of the season. Now those same people have basically left them for dead. Yet despite playing badly, they're nowhere near the bottom of the league, and within a stone's throw of PO position.

It can turn on a dime. We've seen it before (see: 2010). Goaltending and a few guys get hot and they can become really hard to beat in a hurry. Teams have gone from afterthoughts to powerhouses (see: St. Louis), some even worst to first.

What does "move on" even mean? Coots and Giroux I don't have a problem with. Coots is one of the best defensive centers in the league and scored 30 goals multiple times. Giroux had his most productive years over the last four.

If they traded Voracek I would be ok with that. Who else is a veteran that has been here for a long time? Raffl?

What else are you "moving on" from?
- mickel25

When this team is contending for a cup (that day may never even come) do you think those 2 will still be productive? Just because you have good individual players doesn't mean you have a good team. This team hasn't been good with those 2 and several others who have been here a while. At what point do you say this isnt working lets go in another direction?

Just rip the band-aid off. It amazes me that the franchise who quickly shipped out Richards and Carter has spent over a decade with core players who’ve never made it out of the 2nd round and are prone to absolute tire fire stretches of hockey every season where their leadership is called into question.
- hereticpride

I feel like that was an ultimatum, coach said it’s them or me. But regardless, yea it’s been a decade of mediocrity that needs to end

Just rip the band-aid off. It amazes me that the franchise who quickly shipped out Richards and Carter has spent over a decade with core players who’ve never made it out of the 2nd round and are prone to absolute tire fire stretches of hockey every season.
- hereticpride

I still consider the Richards and Carter trades to be one of best timed trades ever. The argument can be made they won cups, but they didn't win the cups themselves, their team won it with them. I still believe their best years were as Flyers and never came close to those levels again. Then add in what the Flyers received as assets and still one of the best trades made.

This current disappointing era started the moment Pronger got injured and sadly never really recovered. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the Bambino curse...The Prongo Bongo.

Giroux, Voracek, JVR, Laughton. That’s a significant amount of cap space and what most of the forward lines are built around. Set some accountability for a change. These guys haven’t gotten it done and we clearly need to invest our cap space more wisely.

Sell on Coots too if the offers are sky high.
- hereticpride

I am not against moving players really. Just don't see how they get better by trading ALL of the players that produce.

I would prefer they add better complimentary players. Which is what they have been trying to do since Hextall took over.

Bill...the Flyers are riding with an appropriate mix of young guys and vets. The problem is they aren't executing as they did last year with a pretty similar roster. They lost Nisk and Pitlick from last year and added back Patrick and Lindblom along with Gus. That's what is so maddening, why the increase in opponents goals by close to one a game. They can be better, they have Been better. It seems the opposition picked up the fact that the Islanders won the playoff series last year with a smothering defensive strategy and other teams seem to be having success with that as well

You really never know. Almost everybody here had them making the PO's at the beginning of the season. Now those same people have basically left them for dead. Yet despite playing badly, they're nowhere near the bottom of the league, and within a stone's throw of PO position.

It can turn on a dime. We've seen it before (see: 2010). Goaltending and a few guys get hot and they can become really hard to beat in a hurry. Teams have gone from afterthoughts to powerhouses (see: St. Louis), some even worst to first.
- Tomahawk

Big difference in St Louis when you are competitive in the playoffs against the likes of Chicago and LA who won 5 cups in that timespan. This team isn’t even competitive for 3 periods in a row

When this team is contending for a cup (that day may never even come) do you think those 2 will still be productive? Just because you have good individual players doesn't mean you have a good team. This team hasn't been good with those 2 and several others who have been here a while. At what point do you say this isnt working lets go in another direction?
- login

So trade the best players now? Then what?

This team isn’t even competitive for 3 periods in a row
- ClaudeFather

2010 Flyers team had the exact same problem. Just sayin'

I am not against moving players really. Just don't see how they get better by trading ALL of the players that produce.

I would prefer they add better complimentary players. Which is what they have been trying to do since Hextall took over.
- mickel25

I mean they can keep G. But he shouldn’t be viewed by the organization as anyone that can carry a franchise, which is something I feel they are fooling themselves over. Jake I think it’s time to move on and JVR I would like to get out of and invest in a D man.

I still consider the Richards and Carter trades to be one of best timed trades ever. The argument can be made they won cups, but they didn't win the cups themselves, their team won it with them. I still believe their best years were as Flyers and never came close to those levels again. Then add in what the Flyers received as assets and still one of the best trades made.

This current disappointing era started the moment Pronger got injured and sadly never really recovered. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the Bambino curse...The Prongo Bongo.
- Glak18

CBJ lost both ends of that Carter deal. The Carter deal is one of the best the Flyers have ever made.

When you leave the cupboard bare for close to a decade in a hard cap world eventually you will have an extended period of mediocrity.

So trade the best players now? Then what?
- mickel25

Rangers did it in recent years. Their rebuild is coming along pretty damn well imo.

I mean they can keep G. But he shouldn’t be viewed by the organization as anyone that can carry a franchise. Jake I think it’s time to move on and JVR I would like to get out of and invest in a D man.
- hereticpride

I am also not against moving Voracek and JVR. I don't like paying top dollar for wingers that are not named Ovechkin or Kane. Just need to be moved to maximize return. Not just to get rid of them.

2010 Flyers team had the exact same problem. Just sayin'
- Tomahawk

We need to add to the back end, Sanheim and Meyers, Meyers especially are mightily struggling. This is a big off-season for Fletch, I really hope he gets this thing going in the right direction.

So trade the best players now? Then what?
- mickel25

fold the franchise. You then build your team. Not a hard concept. Amazes me people want to see the same mediocre poop over and over again.

Rangers did it in recent years. Their rebuild is coming along pretty damn well imo.
- hereticpride

Yep it has. They are in the same boat as the Flyers though. If the young players pan out they will be really good. If not, they will not be a very good team. Pretty simple. Panarin turns 30 this year. So the window is starting to close.

2010 Flyers team had the exact same problem. Just sayin'
- Tomahawk

That's the sad part, when current problems can be traced back and repeated for so many years...that's the culture of the team.

I would think most people can relate to this where they work or have worked. When employees are unhappy, policies are changing daily, company is struggling to meet deadlines or make a profit. Employees start leaving in waves, new hires are brought in, but the same problems exist. Same thing with the Flyers.

Bringing in a new player is going to fix the problems? Absolutely no.

fold the franchise. You then build your team. Not a hard concept. Amazes me people want to see the same mediocre poop over and over again.
- login

I disagree with being completely awful for an extended period of time in the hopes that you hit the draft lottery.

I agree with drafting and developing players correctly. No proof that blowing it up works any better than simply drafting and developing well.

Yep it has. They are in the same boat as the Flyers though. If the young players pan out they will be really good. If not, they will not be a very good team. Pretty simple. Panarin turns 30 this year. So the window is starting to close.
- mickel25

Their vets for the most part are also earning their pay. If Kaapo and Lafreniere pan out into just decent players they’re in pretty solid shape. Even have some nice young defense pieces and two solid young goalies.

When this team is contending for a cup (that day may never even come) do you think those 2 will still be productive? Just because you have good individual players doesn't mean you have a good team. This team hasn't been good with those 2 and several others who have been here a while. At what point do you say this isnt working lets go in another direction?
- login

So we should become like the Marlins and Rays in baseball and just develop and trade away talent?

So we should become like the Marlins and Rays in baseball and just develop and trade away talent?
- JW98FlyerFan

Don't they both have more championships than the Flyers?

Their vets for the most part are also earning their pay. If Kaapo and Lafreniere pan out into just decent players they’re in pretty solid shape. Even have some nice young defense pieces and two solid young goalies.
- hereticpride

Ok. They are not in a playoff spot. How are they earning there pay? They are 1-2-1 against the soulless Flyers.

Don't they both have more championships than the Flyers?
- Glak18

Nope neither does.