Holtz will be fine. Hes playing in the mens league because hes shown hes belonged as a teenager and anytime he was put onto the ice with kids his age he was too good and completely dominated. His numbers this year arent great because his team is garbage and their coaching staff blows. He started off hot but then a bunch of stuff happened. A combination of his own injury, his important teammates got injured, and his team had covid. Once he got back from his injury he couldn't get back to the same production particularly because his coach only played him 10 minutes a night with linemates who had a combined 2 points and literally could not get him the puck. We need to get him here asap, whether in Bing or with the big club. Just gotta get him out of Sweden
- vlongo4419

.. why's he getting 10 minutes/night if he's such a dynamic game-changer worthy of 6th overall? I hear you with needing to get him out of there.

really hope we don't regret taking Holtz over Rossi, Perfetti or Quinn.. his numbers aren't really jumping off the page, though I haven't seen him play. I just know Rossi was a beast and maybe got downplayed because of his size. When the Ducks didn't take him part of me felt it was a gift. Being able to score isn't everything.. being able to put yourself in position to score, to outwork guys, make plays.. is all just as important as shooting accuracy. Does he have the tools to do that at the NHL level with NHL-size ice? "Playing against men" while being average (albeit at a young age) never really wowwed me in terms of confidence it'll translate to the NHL. I'd rather a kid that dominated his competition.
- MartysBetter88

Rossi may be great, but saying being able to score isn't everything.....we have a bunch of playmakers, we need someone who can score

Ek says boston interested in palms and says debrusk and a pick

Rossi may be great, but saying being able to score isn't everything.....we have a bunch of playmakers, we need someone who can score
- dmarsden2988

what I mean is being able to snipe isn't everything if you can't put yourself in position to get off quality scoring chances consistently.

Ek says boston interested in palms and says debrusk and a pick
- dmarsden2988

saw that. DeBrusk wouldn't be the worst return.. right? 2015 14th overall, 24yrs old. 6'0, 194. On pace for 11 goals and 15 assists.. not good. 16 goals his rookie year, then 27, then 19. Not great, but young and I don't think he got much time next to Bergeron.. but still, you'd think some time with Krejci would yield something. I'd take him and a pick for Palms. Better than just a pick. One more year at 3,675,000, then he's an RFA like half our forwards next season.

.. why's he getting 10 minutes/night if he's such a dynamic game-changer worthy of 6th overall? I hear you with needing to get him out of there.
- MartysBetter88

He's 18. Why are you questioning the development of the player already.

He's 18. Why are you questioning the development of the player already.
- Pomegrant

if he's so good to warrant being in the men's league why wouldn't he getting more minutes? idk how it all works and am not pretending to. Like I said before, I just feel it may be a little safer of a bet seeing a player dominate his peers that are at comparable stages of development, rather than a guy doing okay against fully-developed men that aren't good enough to play in the NHL.

if he's so good to warrant being in the men's league why wouldn't he getting more minutes? idk how it all works and am not pretending to. Like I said before, I just feel it may be a little safer of a bet seeing a player dominate his peers that are at comparable stages of development, rather than a guy doing okay against fully-developed men that aren't good enough to play in the NHL.
- MartysBetter88

putting up huge numbers against kids doesn't mean anything. look at all of the overage Juniors players that put up good points but aren't good because they are 19-20 playing against 16 year old kids. Holtz like any young person is growing into their frame and he has to learn how to play against tougher, better competition. It's not about the points he puts up but the process of maturing into a better player.

if he's so good to warrant being in the men's league why wouldn't he getting more minutes? idk how it all works and am not pretending to. Like I said before, I just feel it may be a little safer of a bet seeing a player dominate his peers that are at comparable stages of development, rather than a guy doing okay against fully-developed men that aren't good enough to play in the NHL.
- MartysBetter88

Like i said, his coaching staff over there is garbage. He was playing on their top 6 to start the season and he was getting on the scoresheet more often than not. Then all the injuries and covid happened, their top center went down with a season ending injury and Holtz got put on the 4th line when he came back. You cant expect him to put up numbers when hes playing with plugs who just flat out suck. He was too good to playing against his peers in Sweden so they kept him with the mens team. There's zero reason to be worried about him or even questioning his development. Lets wait until hes actually over in North America for a few years at a minimum before getting worried. Hes going to be fine, he'll be very good for us

Also you say you want to see him dominate his peers, and thats exactly what he did, and has done his entire life. They clearly felt he was way too good to be playing in the junior league(which is 100% true. They sent him down for 3 games last season and he put up 7 goals/9 points in those 3 games) so they called him right back up and kept him with the big club ever since. I'd rather him play in the mens league and learn what he can and cannot do instead of just dummying kids his age doing stuff that won't work in the pro game. Hes learning the same way Jack is learning, just in different leagues. Which is why i want him iver here asap, either in Bing or the NHL. Learn while playing in our system

This is getting ugly quickly, there was a game last night and not one post. A lot of rookie mistakes, which is fine, this is the year to learn from them.

if he's so good to warrant being in the men's league why wouldn't he getting more minutes? idk how it all works and am not pretending to. Like I said before, I just feel it may be a little safer of a bet seeing a player dominate his peers that are at comparable stages of development, rather than a guy doing okay against fully-developed men that aren't good enough to play in the NHL.
- MartysBetter88

I'm not a huge Holtz fan but I will say the Swedish league is not easy for young players and looking at raw stats doesn't really tell the whole story. And Holtz has always always been billed as someone that doesn't drive play so when he plays with good players he'll look a hell of a lot better than when he's not.

Ek says boston interested in palms and says debrusk and a pick
- dmarsden2988

I’d rather let palms walk

I’d rather let palms walk
- shvingter88

Stick him up your shvingter

Ek says boston interested in palms and says debrusk and a pick
- dmarsden2988

Wouldn't hate that deal, depending on the pick. But its Ek saying it so we know Palms certainly wont end up going to Boston

Stick him up your shvingter
- Banana_Hammock

That works too

Maltsev out, Merkley in tonight

Holtz will be fine. Hes playing in the mens league because hes shown hes belonged as a teenager and anytime he was put onto the ice with kids his age he was too good and completely dominated. His numbers this year arent great because his team is garbage and their coaching staff blows. He started off hot but then a bunch of stuff happened. A combination of his own injury, his important teammates got injured, and his team had covid. Once he got back from his injury he couldn't get back to the same production particularly because his coach only played him 10 minutes a night with linemates who had a combined 2 points and literally could not get him the puck. We need to get him here asap, whether in Bing or with the big club. Just gotta get him out of Sweden. Hes going to be atleast a 30 goal scorer here, and im still very confident in saying that.
- vlongo4419

There’s more information in this comment than every single Mussa article combined.

Thank you

There’s more information in this comment than every single Mussa article combined.

Thank you
- Chippah

Who is Mussa?

We don't score goals unless Smith is involved.

Maybe the plan is to minimize Gusev so we can bring him back for cheep. Cuz you’re not getting anything for him like this.

Maybe the plan is to minimize Gusev so we can bring him back for cheep. Cuz you’re not getting anything for him like this.
- MartysBetter88

We werent getting anything for him anyway, so its whatever. And he doesn't deserve to get a spot over any of the kids so no reason to keep forcing him in. He's just too slow for the system. He'll be back in Russia after in this season.

Props to Lindy for a great challenge. And my god Blackwood is unreal, what a crazy toe save

I can't believe we got that goal overturned because who knows that goaltender interference is anymore. What I'm confused about is that we don't get a two minute powerplay out of that because hitting the goalie's glove isn't just incidental contact, no?

Tuned into the third period of yesterday's game . Wanted to see how Johnsson was playing. Did not see him out there. Healthy scratch?

I can't believe we got that goal overturned because who knows that goaltender interference is anymore. What I'm confused about is that we don't get a two minute powerplay out of that because hitting the goalie's glove isn't just incidental contact, no?
- Pomegrant

Great point, but I'd argue the glove slap wasn't even the real problem. He drove this stick under Blackwood and pushed him back into the goal... Either way the review ruling was there was no goal because there was goaltender interference... so why isn't there a goaltender interference call?

I'm wondering if they ever give out penalties after a challenge review that wasn't call on the ice. Honestly not sure.

Holy crap, I just read what I wrote and this doesn't answer your question at all....
Sorry. So yeah, I'm just saying what you said. WTF was with that play!!!

I'd complain about that if MB29 hadn't saved that goal by a C-Hair. WOW was that close (or maybe in). It was so close I wouldn't have complained much had it gone against us. Just crazy...