Yes, its a culture that does not value the details and one that has ZERO accountability
- jd250

At this point you’d have to agree, no other explanation

They played well defensively all last season. They beat Montreal and took the Islanders to 7 games without playing well overall. I get what you're saying. I question the leadership at times also. However your statement that they can't play well defensively with this leadership group is simply not correct.
- MJL

They can't play well consistently ... its been like this for the better part of a decade over 4 coaches, including 2 Stanley Cup winners and a 2 time Stanley Cup runner up. Listen, I love G, I really do, but I have concluded now that its time to move on from him and Jake, this teams needs a new culture and a new attitude. They also need some toughness, man I wish Morin had worked out for this team!

I don't understand your love of personal attacks nor your disdain for honest work.
- Scoob

He doesnt know anything about me or my family, which makes it even more pathetic

I love your optimism!

edit: doh! nevermind - I didn't see that Lyon will be the backup tonight.
- Scoob

Haha.,.. Lyon will likely be needed..

He doesnt know anything about me or my family, which makes it even more pathetic
- KINGKENZO

You prefer the chicken croquets or Meatloaf?

If NJ were to eat Cap space, any interest in Subban? He's quietly having a bounceback season

If NJ were to eat Cap space, any interest in Subban? He's quietly having a bounceback season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No thank you. His better days are behind him.

If NJ were to eat Cap space, any interest in Subban? He's quietly having a bounceback season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No chance. He's such a defensive liability. He wouldn't fill the gap we have.

If NJ were to eat Cap space, any interest in Subban? He's quietly having a bounceback season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

For me: If Devils take back Voracek, absolutely, absolutely. Purely because of the earlier term.

It would be reminiscent of the Unberger/Hartnell deal, which was a masterful move by Hextall.

Devils are not going to do it though.

Bill you remember the name of the 2 Dman Holmgren grabbed off the street to play the one year when they had cap issue?

The biggest issue plaguing this team right now is poor fundamental team defense.
- MJL

You can say that again ;-)

He doesnt know anything about me or my family, which makes it even more pathetic
- KINGKENZO

lol

Haha.,.. Lyon will likely be needed..
- Hextall271

Were it me making the decisions, I'd start him tonight.

Actually it does ... and if you ever played a competitive team sport you would know that.
- jd250

Yes understand but I said it in context.
Meaning trades make no sense this season.
And insulting players even less

Yes understand but I said it in context.
Meaning trades make no sense this season.
And insulting players even less
- goenzoy

Good hockey trades always make sense when the opportunity comes along to improve your team, regardless of how the team is playing at the moment. For example, I have been big on getting Ekholm. I watched him again last night and saw a very good player that if he played like that for the Flyers could really help this team now. If the Flyers can get a player like Ekholm now for a reasonable price that still enables the Flyers to keep their top prospects and not impact their ED plans too much, they must do it, regardless of whether this team is making the playoffs this year or not. Sure Ekholm will not be enough to put this team over the top, but he is a step in the right direction. Now if you are like others that believe Myers and Sanheim will turn into a player even better than Ekholm, you stand pat and do nothing, but I personally don't believe in this approach.

Line up changes?

Bill you remember the name of the 2 Dman Holmgren grabbed off the street to play the one year when they had cap issue?
- login

Was it the 2009-2010 season and were the players Oskars Bartulis and Lucas Krajicek?

Was it the 2009-2010 season and were the players Oskars Bartulis and Lucas Krajicek?
- jd250

no to the players

Just go out there, do your best and have fun!

Let’s go Flyers!

Was it the 2009-2010 season and were the players Oskars Bartulis and Lucas Krajicek?
- jd250

Maybe we give Mark Wahlberg a tryout?

Good hockey trades always make sense when the opportunity comes along to improve your team, regardless of how the team is playing at the moment. For example, I have been big on getting Ekholm. I watched him again last night and saw a very good player that if he played like that for the Flyers could really help this team now. If the Flyers can get a player like Ekholm now for a reasonable price that still enables the Flyers to keep their top prospects and not impact their ED plans too much, they must do it, regardless of whether this team is making the playoffs this year or not. Sure Ekholm will not be enough to put this team over the top, but he is a step in the right direction. Now if you are like others that believe Myers and Sanheim will turn into a player even better than Ekholm, you stand pat and do nothing, but I personally don't believe in this approach.
- jd250

When you say "hockey trade", most people are thinking the kind of trade where it's NHL player(s) for NHL player(s), both teams filling immediate needs. Johanson for Seth Jones, Pronger for Shanahan, Rico/LeClair for Recchi, etc.

I'd be all for that.

Trading youngsters/picks for a 30+ vet or a pure rental is a completely different can of worms. One that I hope Fletch avoids.

From the Athletic (CO'C):

Top 10 ten reasons for Flyers recent debacle.

1. Goaltending. 2. Schedule 3. Coaching 4. Poor play by young payers. 5. Niskanen gap 6. Pood team D. 7. Almost nothing from Oskar, NoPa. 8. No fight in team (literally and in spirit) 9. Special teams 10. Bad luck.

I will post parts from the top 2 reason below, for those who don't have subscriptions and b/c we were talking about goalie/vs team D couple of days ago.

1. The goaltending

Whenever the Flyers’ goaltending is brought up in relation to their overarching problems, a loud contingent of the fan base perks up and screams into the ether that blaming everything on Carter Hart (and to a lesser extent Brian Elliott) undersells the depth of the team’s issues.

And that’s absolutely true. Goaltending isn’t Philadelphia’s only problem. But it is its biggest one.

The truth is that nothing has a larger impact on the perception of a team’s quality than goaltending. The list of coaches who earned Jack Adams Awards on the backs of their unexpectedly fantastic netminding is long; the list of those fired because of surprisingly poor goalie play is even longer. And the Flyers this season have absolutely received poor goalie play.

Right now, they sit second-to-last in the NHL in team save percentage at .880. And at five-on-five (.884), no team is worse — not even the Ottawa Senators (.891). Philly’s goalies are simply not stopping enough pucks.

But what about the defense, you might ask? We’ll get to that. It’s been a problem, too. But an .880 save percentage goes far beyond defensive issues. Since 2007-08, the worst full-season save percentage from an NHL team was .885 by the 2008-09 Toronto Maple Leafs. There have been plenty of teams over the past 13 seasons with terrible team defenses, but none have been less efficient at preventing pucks from ending up in the back of the net than these Flyers. Their defense isn’t great; it’s not true-talent historically bad.

Over the past few weeks, the Flyers have made more defensive mistakes than they should. But one of an NHL netminder’s primary duties is to erase mistakes — not just once in a while, not sometimes, but most of the time. Defensive breakdowns happen to every team; fans tend to remember only the ones that lead to goals. A lot of them have led to goals recently.

It goes beyond erasing mistakes, as well. Both Hart and Elliott are giving up truly weak goals seemingly on a nightly basis, especially during this recent swoon. Think back to March 6, when the Flyers were leading 3-2 with time running down in the second period only to watch Elliott allow a softie. Or this Thursday, when the skaters were stifling the Islanders in the third period up 3-0 until Hart whiffed on a harmless-looking Michel Dal Colle shot that gave New York life and ultimately sparked their comeback. Or even Saturday, when he let Casey Cizikas beat him on a clean-look wrist shot glove side and then later served up an easy empty-net goal to Josh Bailey with a poor pass attempt.

Some were game-changing goals against; others have come with the outcome no longer in doubt. But they all add up and make it impossible for any fair-minded person to argue that the only reason the Flyers are allowing so many goals is because of the defense. The Philadelphia goalies — both of them — are struggling mightily.

2. The Schedule (excerpt)

This veers dangerously close to “making excuses,” I know. But the impact of their ridiculous March schedule — after Saturday, they had played 13 games in 22 days — can’t be ignored.

It’s especially linked to the goaltending issues. It’s no secret that the technical side of Hart’s game is not on point. In an ideal situation, the Flyers would sit Hart for a week or two, and let him focus on rediscovering his sharpness, his confidence, and his love for the game and the position. But with four straight weeks of four-games-a-week, the coaches don’t have that luxury. Even if the Flyers’ backup were a 25-year-old in the prime of his career, he wouldn’t be able to handle this demanding slate by himself, and since their actual backup is a soon-to-be 36-year-old with a recent history of lower-body issues, he certainly can’t.

Instead, they’ve tried a straight timeshare, and the result has been the worst of both worlds. Hart is still a technical mess, likely in part because the Flyers keep having to throw him out there. And even a 50-50 split has seemingly proved too much for Elliott, who ended February with a .931 save percentage and is now all the way down to .892. Hart isn’t getting better, while Elliott has either regressed or gotten tired (or some combination of the two).

If NJ were to eat Cap space, any interest in Subban? He's quietly having a bounceback season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

that would be a typical flyera move