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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Mar 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
I don't understand your love of personal attacks nor your disdain for honest work.
- Scoob

Who is a better drummer Clem Burke or Spit Stix?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Mar 22 @ 11:40 AM ET
Who is a better drummer Clem Burke or Spit Stix?
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how about you just be a better human being?
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Mar 22 @ 11:53 AM ET
Over the last month or two there has been multiple coaching decisions I have questioned. And seems way more than normal. Way more.
- Peter Richards


I agree 100% with this and the comment by ClaudeFather that you quoted..
Therien and Yeo can't get players to make fundamentally good decisions on ice.

In the main hockeybuzz thread about Flyers getting D someone alluded to a Flyers Country Club atmosphere. Maybe the vets/stars are mentally more into their families and golfing than being hockey players in the current Covid environment.There is something rotten in the locker room...
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Mar 22 @ 11:55 AM ET
Considering the Flyers luck with top-5 picks and lottery luck, probably better to not pray for a tank.
- Tomahawk




This. SMH
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:57 AM ET
So are we cheering for a higher draft pick or are we xheerif for a first round loss in the playoffs?

What's the mood in here today?

- Malkins right knee


Time for the higher draft picks.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 22 @ 12:04 PM ET
I agree 100% with this and the comment by ClaudeFather that you quoted..
Therien and Yeo can't get players to make fundamentally good decisions on ice.

In the main hockeybuzz thread about Flyers getting D someone alluded to a Flyers Country Club atmosphere. Maybe the vets/stars are mentally more into their families and golfing than being hockey players in the current Covid environment.There is something rotten in the locker room...

- RajaAmpat

Haha half the team looks like they are out for a Sunday skate
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 22 @ 12:04 PM ET
I agree 100% with this and the comment by ClaudeFather that you quoted..
Therien and Yeo can't get players to make fundamentally good decisions on ice.

In the main hockeybuzz thread about Flyers getting D someone alluded to a Flyers Country Club atmosphere. Maybe the vets/stars are mentally more into their families and golfing than being hockey players in the current Covid environment.There is something rotten in the locker room...

- RajaAmpat


4th youngest defense corps in the league. 22-yo starting goalie. It's called growing pains.

Matt Niskanen or Mattias Ekholm or Shea Weber weren't gonna push this team into SC contention. Reign in your expectations folks.
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Mar 22 @ 12:06 PM ET
4th youngest defense corps in the league. 22-yo starting goalie. It's called growing pains.

Matt Niskanen or Mattias Ekholm or Shea Weber weren't gonna put this team into SC contention. Reign in your expectations folks.

- Tomahawk

4th youngest in experience or age?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:08 PM ET
I don't totally disagree with you, though I feel if Fletcher can get a really good player for a reasonable price that he can fit within his ED plans I hope he does it. But I wonder what you define as "smart" moves? As you know I have been very consistent in posting this team needs a major shakeup, starting with the leadership. Do you consider this a priority for Fletcher in the off season, or do you believe this leadership group is still viable? And BTW, I think the shakeup should not just be in the players, I also believe 1 or both assistant coaches need to be replaced if AV is on board with it.
- jd250


What constitutes a smart move is not overpaying and not creating a hole somewhere else in the lineup. Also not paying a hefty price and giving away a quality future asset in an attempt to win now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:11 PM ET
What does it matter at this point, who plays D I mean. This team has lots of problems, in net, defensively, special teams, etc. but none of these can be compared to the real problem on this team, and that is the lack of leadership and the culture that has resulted. Until this gets fixed, nothing else will get solved.
- jd250


The biggest issue plaguing this team right now is poor fundamental team defense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:11 PM ET
What does it matter at this point, who plays D I mean. This team has lots of problems, in net, defensively, special teams, etc. but none of these can be compared to the real problem on this team, and that is the lack of leadership and the culture that has resulted. Until this gets fixed, nothing else will get solved.
- jd250


The biggest issue plaguing this team right now is poor fundamental team defense.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:19 PM ET
The biggest issue plaguing this team right now is poor fundamental team defense.
- MJL

There is no leadership on this team, the team is rudderless and its clear AV is at his wits end. Until this gets solved you can forget about getting these players to play sound fundamental team defense or anything else for that matter. When Nolan Patrick and Oscar Lindblom are the only players that apparently give a F*** on this team, you have a whole world of badness going on. I know you are going to reply that this is not the 1970s, but there are fundamental things that make a great team that never go out of style, like sticking up for a teammate that has been body slammed at center ice, or responding to a knee to knee hit on your captain, or pummeling someone after getting your doors blown off 9-0!! This is not a team we are watching right now, at least not a team that has any of the qualities necessary to be successful.
Thors-Hammer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Joined: 08.12.2013

Mar 22 @ 12:28 PM ET
Hopefully the wingers give the Defense some support instead of standing around. If the Flyers move their feet and stop puck watching then things will improve. I know that Pitlick wasn't a big goal scorer, but his motor never stopped running. The Flyers miss his energy on the ice.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 22 @ 12:32 PM ET
From last blog:

The Flyers score enough most games to win. Need more toughness/heaviness, yes, but the guy has to be able to play, too, or still be able to if he was able in the past. Agree that not making a bold move to replace Niskanen and putting all your eggs in 9, 6 and 5 taking the next step was a risk then and a big mistake in hindsight
- bmeltzer


It seems to me things can be called a mistake only if at the time the decision was taken, it was clearly irrational. Not based on how things turn out.

How could Fletcher have predicted that so many of the D would have simultaneously bad seasons and forwards would stop back-checking and so on? The price for Vet D was high, we were cap squeezed, what would have been the point of taking on a older vet contract who would not have been part of the future?

Pietro did not want to come here, and that's the only guy I wanted.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:37 PM ET
There is no leadership on this team, the team is rudderless and its clear AV is at his wits end. Until this gets solved you can forget about getting these players to play sound fundamental team defense or anything else for that matter. When Nolan Patrick and Oscar Lindblom are the only players that apparently give a F*** on this team, you have a whole world of badness going on. I know you are going to reply that this is not the 1970s, but there are fundamental things that make a great team that never go out of style, like sticking up for a teammate that has been body slammed at center ice, or responding to a knee to knee hit on your captain, or pummeling someone after getting your doors blown off 9-0!! This is not a team we are watching right now, at least not a team that has any of the qualities necessary to be successful.
- jd250



This team of pretty much the same players in the leadership group was able to play strong fundamental team defense last season. How was that possible if what you say is true? We'll start with that.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 22 @ 12:37 PM ET
The biggest issue plaguing this team right now is poor fundamental team defense.
- MJL

Why is it so hard for this team to be locked in? The mental errors are ridiculous at this point. 20 give aways last game, something is wrong .
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Mar 22 @ 12:37 PM ET
There is no leadership on this team, the team is rudderless and its clear AV is at his wits end. Until this gets solved you can forget about getting these players to play sound fundamental team defense or anything else for that matter. When Nolan Patrick and Oscar Lindblom are the only players that apparently give a F*** on this team, you have a whole world of badness going on. I know you are going to reply that this is not the 1970s, but there are fundamental things that make a great team that never go out of style, like sticking up for a teammate that has been body slammed at center ice, or responding to a knee to knee hit on your captain, or pummeling someone after getting your doors blown off 9-0!! This is not a team we are watching right now, at least not a team that has any of the qualities necessary to be successful.
- jd250


Come on if you lose 9:0 or 1:0 makes no difference
2021 will be for most teams a season to forget and even a team what plays well at the moment like Florida does it with a 10 million goalkeeper
Yes also Flyers need to accept that Giroux is not a franchise player anymore but only top 6 winger and even on this level inconsistent .All other players are a best overpaid ( Jake , JVR last year ,Hayes ) Trades will not do anything for this season
They only need to focus at goals against and try to hang on to playoff as long as possible .Boston is still in distance
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:39 PM ET
Damn they lost Friedman and now Prosser is a staple on the Flyers d-corps. Also they gave up on Morin. Rough.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 22 @ 12:39 PM ET
The biggest issue plaguing this team right now is poor fundamental team defense.
- MJL


Yes, I agree. The guy we trade for is not going to be on the ice at all times. If he plays across from Provorov, will his psychological effect on the bench prevent the (frank)-ups being committed by Gus/Prosser? The turnovers by Patrick? The poor-PK? The horrendous defensive play?

Short of an inspirational player, who is not coming here now, I just don't see why there is such a clamor for a trade. If it was one guy/one pair having a poor season, then I would get it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
This team of pretty much the same players in the leadership group was able to play strong fundamental team defense last season. How was that possible if what you say is true? We'll start with that.
- MJL

This team for the past several years has demonstrated that they can do a lot of things well for a short period of time. Last season was no different, they had a stretch of weeks where they played well, but the start of their season was poor as has been the case most seasons. In the playoffs last year you watched what resulted when they played Montreal and the Islanders. This year the team's record at the start was a total ruse, since it was clear to everyone that they were not playing well and eventually it would catch up to them which it has.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Mar 22 @ 12:44 PM ET
you can trade Patrick and you can trade Lindblom, just make sure you fill a hole. I do believe the Flyers are deeper on wing than D or center. So if the right D is out there, go ahead make the deal. As long as that deal is not for just for the next 18 months.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
Come on if you lose 9:0 or 1:0 makes no difference

- goenzoy

Actually it does ... and if you ever played a competitive team sport you would know that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
This team for the past several years has demonstrated that they can do a lot of things well for a short period of time. Last season was no different, they had a stretch of weeks where they played well, but the start of their season was poor as has been the case most seasons. In the playoffs last year you watched what resulted when they played Montreal and the Islanders. This year the team's record at the start was a total ruse, since it was clear to everyone that they were not playing well and eventually it would catch up to them which it has.
- jd250



They played well defensively all last season. They beat Montreal and took the Islanders to 7 games without playing well overall. I get what you're saying. I question the leadership at times also. However your statement that they can't play well defensively with this leadership group is simply not correct.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 22 @ 12:46 PM ET
Considering the Flyers luck with top-5 picks and lottery luck, probably better to not pray for a tank.
- Tomahawk


Eh.

There would be multiple benefits from a nice long losing streak before tdl.

1. It would take us firmly out of playoff contention and reduce the pressure for additions.
2. It might be possible to do subtractions, and offload some vet guys, in addition to hopefully doing the same at ED.
3. It would set more realistic expectations of where we are as a team for the seasons ahead.
4. Just because we got 2 less than ideal picks in the top 5 decade+ apart doesn't mean it will happen again.

All this trade talk is making me nervous. If anything, imo, we should be huge sellers, gird our loins, and wait a few years.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:47 PM ET
Why is it so hard for this team to be locked in? The mental errors are ridiculous at this point. 20 give aways last game, something is wrong .
- ClaudeFather

Yes, its a culture that does not value the details and one that has ZERO accountability
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