The Flyers didn't play like gutless turds tonight. Cookies and participation trophies for all.

They will be in 6th place in the Division before you know it. Unacceptable.
- PLindbergh31

Soon in nomansland,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Flyers played desperate hockey today. With the point they are only 2 points out of 4th and two games in hand on Boston. Islanders were completely outplayed the whole game.

Flyers played desperate hockey today. With the point they are only 2 points out of 4th and two games in hand on Boston. Islanders were completely outplayed the whole game.
- Hockeyislife

No snipers, and Isles outplayed flyers in OT

I'm usually optimistic about the Flyers, but I see this team as sellers this year. They are what they are. Sadly, they won't be making the playoffs. It's not the GM or coaches fault, it's solely on the players. The question for Fletcher will be, should he rip the bandaid off or take it off slowly.

Who wished the 4 on 4 OT was a 3 on 3? Me too. Get the whistle, guys! Use your skill, they have a bigger advantage 3 on 3. PP has to score at the end there. Patrick with many good scoring chances...baby steps. It will only be an actual building block if they can get the 2-point result tomorrow against the Devils.

I'm usually optimistic about the Flyers, but I see this team as sellers this year. They are what they are. Sadly, they won't be making the playoffs. It's not the GM or coaches fault, it's solely on the players. The question for Fletcher will be, should he rip the bandaid off or take it off slowly.
- RustyPipes

I actually kind of do blame the GM!! He had a gaping hole on defense that he chose to fill by signing Braun to a 2 year deal and then signing a defender that would be an apt
replacement for Ghost. Makes no sense at all. Then he lets Pitlick go like they don't need any fast/physical forwards. Yes, this is on the GM and he better wake the bleep up!

I actually kind of do blame the GM!! He had a gaping hole on defense that he chose to fill by signing Braun to a 2 year deal and then signing a defender that would be an apt
replacement for Ghost. Makes no sense at all. Then he lets Pitlick go like they don't need any fast/physical forwards. Yes, this is on the GM and he better wake the bleep up!
- Phillywhiteout

Braun is not the problem.

AV making excuses....they need to find a way to beat a goalie. Av just said he thought Ghost "played well tonight". Did he not see the losing play. No accountability for anyone.But Sorokin was the reason they won. Not once has Hart been the reason for a Flyers win this year
- DANCER

Overall Ghost played well tonight, in fact the entire team played well tonight. Its just that when you don't bury your chances every mistake you make gets amplified in that the collateral damage of that mistake is much larger. The Flyers had no business even being in OT last night, they should have won in regulation. AV stated this in his presser, that they had tons of chances that they just didn't bury.

Overall Ghost played well tonight, in fact the entire team played well tonight. Its just that when you don't bury your chances every mistake you make gets amplified in that the collateral damage of that mistake is much larger. The Flyers had no business even being in OT last night, they should have won in regulation. AV stated this in his presser, that they had tons of chances that they just didn't bury.
- jd250

Biggest issue of the game. Not executing offensively. On more than one odd man rush they didn't even generate a quality shot.

He never had possession of the puck. That turnover is on Farabee, not Gostisbehere.
- MJL

Man, that's letting him off the hook. Farabees pass was a tough one to receive, but a pro should be able to at very least contain it. But again all opinions are gratefully accepted...on to the the Devils!

That's true but it won't be resolved by further numbers. It will be resolved by better data. Teams are already doing this and have been doing for a long time. The analytics available to us as fans are archaic. Bias is the right word.


You are wrong. Corsi is a team number and not an individual number. You couldn't have picked a worst stat to make your argument. So many variables are not accounted for. Corsi or any derivative of corsi cannot tell you why something happens on the ice. It can only tell you what happened.
- MJL

1. Please stop making comments about subjects where you clearly don't even have a 6th grade understanding of. How do you get better data without more numbers?

2. No its not. Bias refers to a tendency that imparts a _particular_ slant on reality. It is not synonymous with a lack of precision, which is what allows differing opinions to exist.

3. It is precisely because Corsi is a team stat that I made the point I did. You tease out the individual's effect on the team stat by looking at the data. Just like if you noticed that a team has a better ES goals goal differential (team stat!) when a particular defensive pair is on ice (duo stat!).

My explanation would be that he is human. Why do yo always try and make things so complicated?
- MJL

The things you find complicated is what constitutes 90% of modern life.

The fact that you're comparing hockey to google and facebook shows that there is a real disconnect between being inside a "bubble" and the real world of the actual sport.
- MJL

There was a time, just 40 years ago, when people would say the same thing about Chess, electoral polling, and many other things.

Chess is unusual in that it has an optimal strategy (it has not been found yet). I do not imply Hockey would be so deterministic. I mean simulations will provide a pretty good idea of who will win and the predictions will be pretty good and far better than what we have now from personal opinions.

1. Please stop making comments about subjects where you clearly don't even have a 6th grade understanding of. How do you get better data without more numbers?


- PT21

I always get a kick when you attempt to throw intellectual weight around because you always wind up embarrassing yourself and sticking your foot in your mouth. I feel sorry for you because you are about to be schooled by someone you claim has a 6th grade understanding. It seems as though you are confused. Data is not only what you get as a result but data is also information that is input into statistical formulas to get a result. As an example with corsi. The issue with corsi is that the raw data is not and the shot metrics for an individual player. It is the shot metrics for all the players on the ice. Therefore there is a lot of false data. What NHL teams do to get better outputs is they use video and software to collect better and more precise detail. That along with proprietary statistics gives them better analytics to use that what the fans have access to. The latter of which are not very good overall.

2. No its not. Bias refers to a tendency that imparts a _particular_ slant on reality. It is not synonymous with a lack of precision, which is what allows differing opinions to exist.


- PT21

We see bias constantly play a role in opinions formed when looking at analytics. Among fans and analysts. Define it anyway you want but it exists.

3. It is precisely because Corsi is a team stat that I made the point I did. You tease out the individual's effect on the team stat by looking at the data. Just like if you noticed that a team has a better ES goals goal differential (team stat!) when a particular defensive pair is on ice (duo stat!).
- PT21

It is impossible to do that. There are no analytics available to the general public that can isolate one player effectively. What you're missing is that only tells you what happens on the ice. It cannot tell you why. What other variables are in place when that particular defense duo is on the ice.

What I know better than you is the game of hockey.

The things you find complicated is what constitutes 90% of modern life.
- PT21

Reading comprehension issue and a personal awareness issue. I found it simple with a simple explanation. You overcomplicated it.

I always get a kick when you attempt to throw intellectual weight around because you always wind up embarrassing yourself and sticking your foot in your mouth. I feel sorry for you because you are about to be schooled by someone you claim has a 6th grade understanding. It seems as though you are confused. Data is not only what you get as a result but data is also information that is input into statistical formulas to get a result. As an example with corsi. The issue with corsi is that the raw data is not and the shot metrics for an individual player. It is the shot metrics for all the players on the ice. Therefore there is a lot of false data. What NHL teams do to get better outputs is they use video and software to collect better and more precise detail. That along with proprietary statistics gives them better analytics to use that what the fans have access to. The latter of which are not very good overall.

We see bias constantly play a role in opinions formed when looking at analytics. Among fans and analysts. Define it anyway you want but it exists.

It is impossible to do that. There are no analytics available to the general public that can isolate one player effectively. What you're missing is that only tells you what happens on the ice. It cannot tell you why. What other variables are in place when that particular defense duo is on the ice.

What I know better than you is the game of hockey.
- MJL

First bold:

That 'information'? That is 'input' into statistical formulae? Guess what they are called?

Numbers!

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Please stop babbling incoherently. Its bad enough when you make precisely incorrect statements.

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Its called subjectivity.Bias is a subset of subjectivity, where the subjectivity is slanted in one direction.

4rth bold.

Now you suddenly introduced 'effectively' which is a subjective and imprecise word. Your original comment was that analytics/statsitics cannot show why something happened, just what happened. In other words, it is a snapshot, but never a diagnosis.

That's false.

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Of course, you know it better than anybody. Pity that the only proof of your hockey sagacity has been your own boasts about them for 14 years on HB.

Now, that's a biased judgment.

First bold:

That 'information'? That is 'input' into statistical formulae? Guess what they are called?

Numbers!


- PT21

That's a nice spin attempt but a failure nonetheless.

2nd bold:

Please stop babbling incoherently. Its bad enough when you make precisely incorrect statements.


- PT21

I'm already aware that you wouldn't be able to counter except with childish nonsense.

3rd bold:

Its called subjectivity.Bias is a subset of subjectivity, where the subjectivity is slanted in one direction.


- PT21

That's a ridiculous semantics argument.

4rth bold.

Now you suddenly introduced 'effectively' which is a subjective and imprecise word. Your original comment was that analytics/statsitics cannot show why something happened, just what happened. In other words, it is a snapshot, but never a diagnosis.

That's false.


- PT21

No it's not false, it's 100% true. You're arguing two different issues there. It goes to show how poorly you understand it.

Last bold:

Of course, you know it better than anybody. Pity that the only proof of your hockey sagacity has been your own boasts about them for 14 years on HB.


- PT21

Reading comprehension issue. I did not state that I know it better than anybody. I stated I know it better than you.