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2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Mar 23 @ 1:01 PM ET
If the Jets are to give up a 1st round pick, this is the year to do so. With no real way to assess talent, the odds to miss with your first rounders are a lot higher than normal. It's not uncommon to see kids at 16 projected to go in the 1st dropping to the 4th and 5th. Just look at Henri Nikkanen who was expected to be a mid round 1st that dropped several rounds in one season.

I think any defenseman we go for should be a right shot on an expiring contract to lower the cost of acquisition. The old Morrissey will come back if we get him a real top 4 pairing partner. Forbert looks decent with Pionk and Stanley is exceeding expectations and should be taking Beaulieu's job. Our left side is solid and Heinola is NHL ready and would be perfect for the power play unit. Samberg is almost NHL ready but needs a little more work. The left side is a side of strength and I would rather trade for weakness. Our right side has 2 bottom 6/8 guys and Pionk being a decent top 4. Demelo and Poolman are very average talents that would never be better than a bottom pairing on most contending teams.

- Napolean-Mennonite


I mostly agree, don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves on Heinola. I am fine to work him in slowly.

Totally agree that 1st round picks this year are a crap shoot and outside of having one of the top 4-5 picks a first round pick might be about as safe as a 2nd round pick in another year while a 3rd round pick may be equally valuable... all due to limited player development time and limited scouting.

We all scream at the TV when Wheeler/Ehlers/Etc. don't shoot when in good position ; I see this as Chevy's time to 'shoot the damn puck' and aquire a top 1/2/3 dman who can compliment Morrissey and play the PP. We are very strong down low on the PP but can really use a better shot that is a threat to score from above the circles. If Jersey retains 50% Subban could be worth adding to the shopping list of trade targets (with Eckholm, Savard, Manson, Ristolainen etc) Only one more year on his contract, would be tempting to Seattle if left exposed. Quarantine considered I am all for getting a deal done sooner rather than later, puck is on your stick Chevy!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Mar 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Lots of great comments and discussions on here lately on a variety of relevant topics. Without Rexy here distracting everyone with his trollish posts with board has improved substantially.

Morrissey is a lot more important to the Jets D that is made out on here. He and Pionk are the two guys that anchor that defense and Morrissey does a ton of things right. I just wish Morrissey had a much better shot. He misses the net high right on about 90% of his shots. Its a real missing piece to the Jets PP. Buff we truly miss you in so many ways !

Ekholm is a very expensive proposition with a division rival. Not the greatest idea. Prefer to go outside the division before handing over something as important as a first pick. Savard or Ritso would be decent chioces.

Heinola doesn't burn up ELC if not playing in NHL

- jetsnation


Looks like Rexypoo is occupying lots of room in your kitchen. And, it does appear as if you really miss him.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Mar 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
I do hope that Rexy is ok and that his absence is his own decision.

Having said that, the level of discussion here is much improved and in general it is a lot less confrontational.
Jetlag
Joined: 01.18.2021

Mar 23 @ 8:19 PM ET
I mostly agree, don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves on Heinola. I am fine to work him in slowly.

Totally agree that 1st round picks this year are a crap shoot and outside of having one of the top 4-5 picks a first round pick might be about as safe as a 2nd round pick in another year while a 3rd round pick may be equally valuable... all due to limited player development time and limited scouting.

We all scream at the TV when Wheeler/Ehlers/Etc. don't shoot when in good position ; I see this as Chevy's time to 'shoot the damn puck' and aquire a top 1/2/3 dman who can compliment Morrissey and play the PP. We are very strong down low on the PP but can really use a better shot that is a threat to score from above the circles. If Jersey retains 50% Subban could be worth adding to the shopping list of trade targets (with Eckholm, Savard, Manson, Ristolainen etc) Only one more year on his contract, would be tempting to Seattle if left exposed. Quarantine considered I am all for getting a deal done sooner rather than later, puck is on your stick Chevy!

- 2.0

This suggestion is right out of the Chevy playbook, in that it would be an under the radar play and with another year (assuming NJ retains a healthy portion of that monster contract) that would be very serviceable. I would cautiously wonder if his personality is a little to big for the Jets’ room? He certainly seems to play up a level historically in the playoffs and I wouldn’t be opposed to taking a chance given the right assets going the other way.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Mar 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
1) That's correct.

2) A lot of Morrissey's struggles are of his making though, can't fault his linemates all the time.

3) Ekholm is going to be 33 when he starts his next contract, not sure he'd be worth extending at that point.

4) No he is not, AHL games do not count against an ELC, NHL playoff games do though.

5) Depends on what the cost to acquire is, really think they should target some cheaper to acquire options for the defense, if they can get one or two dmen for 2nd or 3rd round picks fine but 1sts and A-prospects should be off limits, I like Ekholm but selling a bunch of good pieces for him doesn't seem like a good move for the Jets imo.

- JetFuel



Hard pass. Rarely is the top dog openly available at the trade deadline worth it. The asking price for him is way too high, and then we need to worry about a guy who is well out of his prime age when his next contract is due. Also, his numbers are good, not great, and considering the unreal D core he had to play with, I would not expect to see any numbers higher than they were as a pred.

Why not DeAngelo (I know why, but hear me out)? Jets need a RD far more than a LD. DeAngelo finished 4th last season among defense in scoring, and has a buyout option after this season for just 600k. Considering he was waived with nobody picking him up, he could probably be acquired for no more than a 3rd rd pick. Jets have far better leadership and accountability in their locker room to hopefully keep the kid under wraps. It doesn't reflect badly on the Jets if they decide to kick him off the team and buy him out, just looks bad on DeAngelo.

Jomo DeAngelo
Forbert Pionk
Stanley Heinola
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Mar 24 @ 11:47 AM ET
I mostly agree, don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves on Heinola. I am fine to work him in slowly.

Totally agree that 1st round picks this year are a crap shoot and outside of having one of the top 4-5 picks a first round pick might be about as safe as a 2nd round pick in another year while a 3rd round pick may be equally valuable... all due to limited player development time and limited scouting.

We all scream at the TV when Wheeler/Ehlers/Etc. don't shoot when in good position ; I see this as Chevy's time to 'shoot the damn puck' and aquire a top 1/2/3 dman who can compliment Morrissey and play the PP. We are very strong down low on the PP but can really use a better shot that is a threat to score from above the circles. If Jersey retains 50% Subban could be worth adding to the shopping list of trade targets (with Eckholm, Savard, Manson, Ristolainen etc) Only one more year on his contract, would be tempting to Seattle if left exposed. Quarantine considered I am all for getting a deal done sooner rather than later, puck is on your stick Chevy!

- 2.0



Devs are my team. I watch them about as frequently as I do the Jets. Subban is probably the worst D on their team, and they don't have too many good D. He holds the teams worst +/-, leads them in PIMs, and of anyone to score a goal, has the worst shooting %. In no way is he worth even 4.5M. I was thrilled when the Devs acquired him, and was quickly disappointed when I saw his level of play. He is terrible defensively, leading the team in giveaways, and producing mediocre offense. Please stay clear of this Chevy, unless the Dev's give you a prospect/pick to take on this terrible contract. You could probably pick up Sami Vatanen for a 4th tho. He has been playing bad, but over the past 4 seasons was the Devs top D. At 2M, and on an expiring contract, it is a much safer risk. Plus he plays left or right which gives the jets more flexibility in the event of an injury.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 24 @ 1:19 PM ET
we need to split up 25-55-26 now!!

yes, they can look good to great against Van, Ott, Calgary and Mon when they are not matched up against a top tier first line but we all know Maurice will run them against Mathews and McDavid where they will be beat and beat easily. they are to slow to compete with McDavid or Mathews line over a series. so don't waste time, admit it and switch it up now as we wont be getting out of our division without facing those two teams.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Mar 24 @ 1:25 PM ET
reality check, we all want Morrisey to be better but will he be? the reality is he has been bad longer now than he was good.

we cant keep blaming his D partner as they have all played better away from him.

Pionk is our best d, should be top PP and if he had a faster partner than Forbot who is best suited for third pair, we'd finally have a top pairing D unit.

Eqholm - Pionk
Morrisey - Heinola ( yes it was only one game, but it was Morrisey's best )
Forbot - Demelo
Stanley-Poolman

this would be ideal. if we wont even look at what Samberg is. Stanley has been a pleasant surprise but he is only playing against other teams bottom 6. id like to see what he can do against other teams top lines and he's earned that shot but until we see that we don't know.
Napolean-Mennonite
Location: MB
Joined: 01.30.2020

Mar 24 @ 3:25 PM ET
reality check, we all want Morrisey to be better but will he be? the reality is he has been bad longer now than he was good.

we cant keep blaming his D partner as they have all played better away from him.

Pionk is our best d, should be top PP and if he had a faster partner than Forbot who is best suited for third pair, we'd finally have a top pairing D unit.

Eqholm - Pionk
Morrisey - Heinola ( yes it was only one game, but it was Morrisey's best )
Forbot - Demelo
Stanley-Poolman

this would be ideal. if we wont even look at what Samberg is. Stanley has been a pleasant surprise but he is only playing against other teams bottom 6. id like to see what he can do against other teams top lines and he's earned that shot but until we see that we don't know.

- Ross77


Heinola plays the left side which is where he played this season for his call up. He however has been getting PP time this season on the right side as a set up passer for Perfetti who has been slotted on the right wing. Both are on the first PP unit for the Moose.

I would keep Forbert and Pionk together. They train in the off season together and you have Pionk playing offense and Forbert staying at home. Pionk while physical is not as good in his own end and has been beet on the rush.

Pionk pretty much is on the first PP unit as at least for the Canucks game. Maurice was putting the Pionk, Ehlers, Dubois line on first for the majority of the power plays. They seem to do better on entries than the Schieffle and Wheeler PP unit.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Mar 24 @ 8:42 PM ET
we need to split up 25-55-26 now!!

yes, they can look good to great against Van, Ott, Calgary and Mon when they are not matched up against a top tier first line but we all know Maurice will run them against Mathews and McDavid where they will be beat and beat easily. they are to slow to compete with McDavid or Mathews line over a series. so don't waste time, admit it and switch it up now as we wont be getting out of our division without facing those two teams.

- Ross77


I agree but seriously have they looked good or great at all as a line? To me they haven't looked very impressive, at best I'd say they've been okay.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Mar 24 @ 9:56 PM ET
Heinola plays the left side which is where he played this season for his call up. He however has been getting PP time this season on the right side as a set up passer for Perfetti who has been slotted on the right wing. Both are on the first PP unit for the Moose.

I would keep Forbert and Pionk together. They train in the off season together and you have Pionk playing offense and Forbert staying at home. Pionk while physical is not as good in his own end and has been beet on the rush.

Pionk pretty much is on the first PP unit as at least for the Canucks game. Maurice was putting the Pionk, Ehlers, Dubois line on first for the majority of the power plays. They seem to do better on entries than the Schieffle and Wheeler PP unit.

- Napolean-Mennonite



Valid points all around. I have been curious how Stanley would play with Pionk, but why mess with a winning recipe. Pionk is on fire this season and Forbort is doing a very solid job of keeping things tidy in the D zone. They seem to play with confidence together.

Demelo and Beaulier are on a short leash in my books. Demelo was never an offensive threat, but his defensive game has slipped significantly and at this point I have far more confidence in Heinola playing on his off-wing.

Or..... Trade peanuts for DeAngelo and have a fantastic offensive RD to finally help Jomo. The kid made Trouba look like a 3rd pairing D when he was still in the NHL.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 9:12 AM ET
reality check, we all want Morrisey to be better but will he be? the reality is he has been bad longer now than he was good.

we cant keep blaming his D partner as they have all played better away from him.

Pionk is our best d, should be top PP and if he had a faster partner than Forbot who is best suited for third pair, we'd finally have a top pairing D unit.

Eqholm - Pionk
Morrisey - Heinola ( yes it was only one game, but it was Morrisey's best )
Forbot - Demelo
Stanley-Poolman

this would be ideal. if we wont even look at what Samberg is. Stanley has been a pleasant surprise but he is only playing against other teams bottom 6. id like to see what he can do against other teams top lines and he's earned that shot but until we see that we don't know.

- Ross77


I don't agree at all that Morrissey has been bad. I think he has been our second-best defenseman all season next to Pionk. Has he had a few bad games...absolutely, but so has every other defenseman on the Jets and pretty much on any team in the NHL. Morrissey is an extremely skilled Dman and a lot of it goes unrecognized. I still predict he makes Team Canada.
Napolean-Mennonite
Location: MB
Joined: 01.30.2020

Mar 25 @ 9:35 AM ET
Valid points all around. I have been curious how Stanley would play with Pionk, but why mess with a winning recipe. Pionk is on fire this season and Forbort is doing a very solid job of keeping things tidy in the D zone. They seem to play with confidence together.

Demelo and Beaulier are on a short leash in my books. Demelo was never an offensive threat, but his defensive game has slipped significantly and at this point I have far more confidence in Heinola playing on his off-wing.

Or..... Trade peanuts for DeAngelo and have a fantastic offensive RD to finally help Jomo. The kid made Trouba look like a 3rd pairing D when he was still in the NHL.

- bikeguy99


DeAngelo would improve our offense but he's a defensive liability. He's also a cancer in the dressing room and an idiot in the community. Just look at how he got caught using burner accounts on Twitter by Rangers fans tracking his IP addresses. If the community turned on Evander Kane, just imagine what they would do to a controversial loudmouth like DeAngelo. I wouldn't give it a full season before Wheeler fights him in practice or he brings protests to True North Square for saying or doing something stupid.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Mar 25 @ 9:55 AM ET
DeAngelo would improve our offense but he's a defensive liability. He's also a cancer in the dressing room and an idiot in the community. Just look at how he got caught using burner accounts on Twitter by Rangers fans tracking his IP addresses. If the community turned on Evander Kane, just imagine what they would do to a controversial loudmouth like DeAngelo. I wouldn't give it a full season before Wheeler fights him in practice or he brings protests to True North Square for saying or doing something stupid.
- Napolean-Mennonite


The talent is there but it’s not a fit with the Jets. The current core is strong and the upside of acquiring Dangelo is not worth risking unraveling the strength of this group.

If he lives too large for NY it will never work in Winnipeg.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Mar 25 @ 2:26 PM ET
Jets top 6 and goaltending are as good as any in the league.

Done a nice job with the D after Pionk and Morrisey was all you guys had at one time.

Best of luck in the PO's I'll be rooting for WPG team looks to be rounding into form.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Mar 25 @ 3:18 PM ET
DeAngelo would improve our offense but he's a defensive liability. He's also a cancer in the dressing room and an idiot in the community. Just look at how he got caught using burner accounts on Twitter by Rangers fans tracking his IP addresses. If the community turned on Evander Kane, just imagine what they would do to a controversial loudmouth like DeAngelo. I wouldn't give it a full season before Wheeler fights him in practice or he brings protests to True North Square for saying or doing something stupid.
- Napolean-Mennonite


100% agree about DeAngelo. But still, I don't care. Jets leadership can keep him in line, and contain his theatrics. The bulk of his media stuff was related to US politics, so nobody up north will care too much. Remember, this is simply to bring in an unreal offensive d for no more than 30 games by the time the playoffs are done. With Kane, that wasn't an option. This is temporary only, and I would like to think that DeAngelo could see this as his last chance as well. VERY TEMPORARY, and likely to cost nothing, whereas Ekholm is supposedly commanding a 1st, and a top tier prospect. No thanks.

I still think Minnie moves Dumba. After seeing how they matched up vs Colarado, I feel it is safe to say that they are not too confident they can make it out of that divison. It's a brutal decision for the GM, but coming out over Col/Vegas/Stl is a long-shot, and keeping Dumba for that playoff push would mean losing him to the expansion draft for absolutely nothing. His cap hit, age, and remaining term are all perfect for what the Jets need, so I would hope they target him over Ekholm.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Mar 25 @ 3:22 PM ET
The talent is there but it’s not a fit with the Jets. The current core is strong and the upside of acquiring Dangelo is not worth risking unraveling the strength of this group.

If he lives too large for NY it will never work in Winnipeg.

- 2.0


It only has to work for 30 games. Why would this unravel the jets? If it isn't working, send him packing. It is very low risk and he can't take the entire team down with him. Rangers have not been anywhere near the team they were with him in the lineup. Jets simply put the ownership on DeAngelo, and if things backfire, it would only reflect poorly on DeAngelo, not the Jets.

What would look bad on the Jets if giving up Heinola and a 1st for Ekholm, now winning the cup, and being left with a UFA at 33 years of age. Plus one of Forbort/Stanley would likely be sent down/taxi-squad. Both of which are playing good hockey for the Jets
Napolean-Mennonite
Location: MB
Joined: 01.30.2020

Mar 25 @ 3:50 PM ET
100% agree about DeAngelo. But still, I don't care. Jets leadership can keep him in line, and contain his theatrics. The bulk of his media stuff was related to US politics, so nobody up north will care too much. Remember, this is simply to bring in an unreal offensive d for no more than 30 games by the time the playoffs are done. With Kane, that wasn't an option. This is temporary only, and I would like to think that DeAngelo could see this as his last chance as well. VERY TEMPORARY, and likely to cost nothing, whereas Ekholm is supposedly commanding a 1st, and a top tier prospect. No thanks.

I still think Minnie moves Dumba. After seeing how they matched up vs Colarado, I feel it is safe to say that they are not too confident they can make it out of that divison. It's a brutal decision for the GM, but coming out over Col/Vegas/Stl is a long-shot, and keeping Dumba for that playoff push would mean losing him to the expansion draft for absolutely nothing. His cap hit, age, and remaining term are all perfect for what the Jets need, so I would hope they target him over Ekholm.

- bikeguy99


The Jets leadership could barely contain Laine's ego who is probably demanding a trade back to Winnipeg now. Just look how he trash talked a guy like Brian Little to the media. Kane was a cancer but we had Buff to keep him in line. DeAngelo had multiple teammates and a GM trying to keep him in line and it didn't work. Do you need Wheeler and Schieffle to take on those responsibilities?

By the way, I still like Laine and Kane but it makes sense why they are gone.

bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Mar 25 @ 4:52 PM ET
If anything, I would look for a RHD.
Price for Ekholm would be high and acquiring him would delay the arrivals of Heinola and Samberg. An upgrade over DeMelo or Poolman would be nice.

7 day quarantine now !

jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 25 @ 8:36 PM ET
Absolutely do not want DAngelo on this team.

On a side note, Miko Zibanejad sure has Philly's number this year. He could be looking at another 6 point game tonight if he continues at this pace.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Mar 26 @ 12:30 PM ET
Absolutely do not want DAngelo on this team.

On a side note, Miko Zibanejad sure has Philly's number this year. He could be looking at another 6 point game tonight if he continues at this pace.

- jetsnation



No DeAngelo! No Subban! No Ellis! After that ???
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 26 @ 1:33 PM ET
No DeAngelo! No Subban! No Ellis! After that ???
- grahamzky


If we truly need help then Savard makes some sense.

I trust Chevy to make the right deal if there is one to be had. So far he has nailed most trades.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Mar 26 @ 1:39 PM ET
Trade proposal two form the Athletic.....

Team Executive Trade Proposal No. 2
Predators trade Mattias Ekholm to Jets for Mathieu Perreault, a 2021 first-round pick and Ville Heinola

Ross and I among others would lose their mind if that ever happened. Losing an unreal low-cap long-term player like Heinola is a non-starter. Sure ,

Ekholm has a cheap contract , but its only for this year and next. Trading Heinola to a possible divisional opponent would be a mistake.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Mar 26 @ 1:48 PM ET
The Jets leadership could barely contain Laine's ego who is probably demanding a trade back to Winnipeg now. Just look how he trash talked a guy like Brian Little to the media. Kane was a cancer but we had Buff to keep him in line. DeAngelo had multiple teammates and a GM trying to keep him in line and it didn't work. Do you need Wheeler and Schieffle to take on those responsibilities?

By the way, I still like Laine and Kane but it makes sense why they are gone.

- Napolean-Mennonite


With both those guys, there was no definitive end in sight. With DeAngelo, its 30 games. Pretty sure Jets leadership can handle that. It is the highest impact RD available, and by far the cheapest asking price. Who cares if he voices his pro-trump content in Canada? Jomo deserves a better pairing, and this is it. He can easily get the boot at any moment Maurice sees fit.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Mar 26 @ 3:45 PM ET
Trade proposal two form the Athletic.....

Team Executive Trade Proposal No. 2
Predators trade Mattias Ekholm to Jets for Mathieu Perreault, a 2021 first-round pick and Ville Heinola

Ross and I among others would lose their mind if that ever happened. Losing an unreal low-cap long-term player like Heinola is a non-starter. Sure ,

Ekholm has a cheap contract , but its only for this year and next. Trading Heinola to a possible divisional opponent would be a mistake.

- jetsnation


I would lose my mind as well. Not only for trading Heinola but also the 1st rd pick.

I want some interest in hickey this July.

Agree with your previous post re Savard making sense (if the price us not too high - let's say Niku and a 2nd/3rd. Rasmus R. is also interesting possibility.
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