every single piece of information available ( shots, chances, goals and so on ) rank our D this season as such ( don't kill the messenger )
1.Pionk
2.Demelo
then there is a gap
3.Stanley
4/5 forbot and Poolman are very close
then there is another gap
6.Morrisey
7.Niku
then there is another gap
8.Beau

the moral of this, Demelo is good Morrisey is bad.
no matter who plays with Morrisey this year has taken the blame yet, they have all dramatically improved playing with Demelo, this is not a coincidence!!!

we need to realize Morrisey has been horrible, like, next to Beau bad, our worst. he needs to be off top PP and down on third pair, getting third pair minutes.

I hope he recovers but he needs to do that on his own now in less minutes on third pair. its on him.

we should not be trading for a d to help morrisey, help the team first.

Eqholm-Pionk
Heinola-Demelo
Stanley- Poolman
then
ready to fill in
Forbot-Morrisey

this is ideal and if you disagree its because you are focused on the name and expectation not the results
- Ross77

The most two brutal d-men for the Jets last night were DeMelo and Pionk. Unusual for Pionk, who has been our best d-man this season. Not so unusual for DeMelo, kind of a constant. Not going by fancy stats, I saw the game.

Ross, I know you (and many others) are so very high on Heinola, I certainly hope you are right. Scouting reports are all very good too, and press clippings. Sure hope you're right.

Lord Stanley HAS to be protected in Expansion Draft - HUGE, young and talented. Know he plays limited minutes but best d-mam for us last night.

Definitely could use a puck carrying d-man too support the offensive thrust. Hope Heinola, when he arrives, is the man!

Jets forwards are passing (pardon the pun) up way too many scoring chances. Shoot the damn puck!

Logan Stanley best Jets LD based on stats this year yet can't take Beaulieu's spot. A great example of draft and development going wrong, because Maurice would rather trust an experienced terrible player that he can throw out for a minute of PK time.
- BWJumper

Just remember this, I was the absolute first poster on this board that believed in the Big Man and that has been the case since day 1.

Just remember this, I was the absolute first poster on this board that believed in the Big Man and that has been the case since day 1.
- TheUltimateJet

Not to dispute your claim, but I’d suggest many were pleased at the same time as you. However, you were clearly he highest on him, no doubt. The fact he’s forcing the issue of being an everyday player and perhaps knocking on our top four is awesome for him. Sadly, it also highlights the poor play of those currently ahead of him on the depth chart.

The most two brutal d-men for the Jets last night were DeMelo and Pionk. Unusual for Pionk, who has been our best d-man this season. Not so unusual for DeMelo, kind of a constant. Not going by fancy stats, I saw the game.

Ross, I know you (and many others) are so very high on Heinola, I certainly hope you are right. Scouting reports are all very good too, and press clippings. Sure hope you're right.

Lord Stanley HAS to be protected in Expansion Draft - HUGE, young and talented. Know he plays limited minutes but best d-mam for us last night.

Definitely could use a puck carrying d-man too support the offensive thrust. Hope Heinola, when he arrives, is the man!

Jets forwards are passing (pardon the pun) up way too many scoring chances. Shoot the damn puck!
- grahamzky

We just disagree about Demelo and that’s ok, I thought Morrisey was far worse last night.
I do agree we need to shoot more though
I do think Heinola will be out best D, when that happens I can not say for sure. I’m just upset we are not giving him the chance to play now so that he has more games under his belt before playoffs. I just can not see him making anywhere near the amount of mistakes Morrisey is or beau had before getting hurt.

We just disagree about Demelo and that’s ok, I thought Morrisey was far worse last night.
I do agree we need to shoot more though
I do think Heinola will be out best D, when that happens I can not say for sure. I’m just upset we are not giving him the chance to play now so that he has more games under his belt before playoffs. I just can not see him making anywhere near the amount of mistakes Morrisey is or beau had before getting hurt.
- Ross77

I wonder if Chevy would press Maurice to use Heinola as a trade deadline addition at zero cost. Kinda like Makar in Colorado who stepped into the playoffs and made a seamless transition. He kinda hinted they could add from within, in his most recent presser.

every single piece of information available ( shots, chances, goals and so on ) rank our D this season as such ( don't kill the messenger )
1.Pionk
2.Demelo
then there is a gap
3.Stanley
4/5 forbot and Poolman are very close
then there is another gap
6.Morrisey
7.Niku
then there is another gap
8.Beau

the moral of this, Demelo is good Morrisey is bad.
no matter who plays with Morrisey this year has taken the blame yet, they have all dramatically improved playing with Demelo, this is not a coincidence!!!

we need to realize Morrisey has been horrible, like, next to Beau bad, our worst. he needs to be off top PP and down on third pair, getting third pair minutes.

I hope he recovers but he needs to do that on his own now in less minutes on third pair. its on him.

we should not be trading for a d to help morrisey, help the team first.

Eqholm-Pionk
Heinola-Demelo
Stanley- Poolman
then
ready to fill in
Forbot-Morrisey

this is ideal and if you disagree its because you are focused on the name and expectation not the results
- Ross77

I disagree not cause of name but cause DeMelo has sucked! My eyes aren't wrong, he's brutally slow, he's a 3rd pair dman at best! If the stats say whoever has played with DeMelo has dramatically improved then why has Morrissey played his worst games of the season when paired with DeMelo, yeah cause the stats don't tell the whole story.

I agree Morrissey has been mostly bad but he's played far more minutes then DeMelo and against tougher competition, idk how we can think comparing their seasons so far is a fair comparison.

Forbort has been solid and is one of the few Jets dmen who isn't a runt, he can at least breakup a cycle, terrible idea to take him out of the lineup.

Ekholm would be great to add but will likely cost a lot to acquire and complicates the expansion draft, usually I'm against rentals but this year may be the year to just grab a rental.

I wonder if Chevy would press Maurice to use Heinola as a trade deadline addition at zero cost. Kinda like Makar in Colorado who stepped into the playoffs and made a seamless transition. He kinda hinted they could add from within, in his most recent presser.
- Jetlag

I'm about 99.99% sure they want to slide Heinola's ELC so we won't see him at all this season unless there's a slew of injuries, bet we see Samberg before Heinola if a recall from the Moose is needed since Samberg's ELC starts this year no matter what, maybe I'm wrong but that's the way it seems to be going to me.

I'm about 99.99% sure they want to slide Heinola's ELC so we won't see him at all this season unless there's a slew of injuries, bet we see Samberg before Heinola if a recall from the Moose is needed since Samberg's ELC starts this year no matter what, maybe I'm wrong but that's the way it seems to be going to me.
- JetFuel

Has Samberg been good on the Moose? I haven’t heard a peep about him, maybe the seasoning is doing some good?

Has Samberg been good on the Moose? I haven’t heard a peep about him, maybe the seasoning is doing some good?
- Jetlag

I've watched about half a dozen Moose games and yes Samberg has been good, they've been playing him on his offhand in some games as well, he's fairly noticeable and his offensive game looks better, big kid too, if he doesn't get a callup this year I'm sure he'll be a lock for a spot somewhere in the six man D core next season.

I've watched about half a dozen Moose games and yes Samberg has been good, they've been playing him on his offhand in some games as well, he's fairly noticeable and his offensive game looks better, big kid too, if he doesn't get a callup this year I'm sure he'll be a lock for a spot somewhere in the six man D core next season.
- JetFuel

I imagined based on what we hear all the time, Samberg would force his way into the lineup in the not too distant future. Good to hear he’s seeing some success on the Moose and am excited to see him suit up with the big club.

Let's not get so wound up about the Jets young d-men growing their game in the AHL for a season.

Recent Norris Trophy winners and the # of games that they spent in the AHL:

Josi (74), Giordano (144) Burns (74) Keith (154) Subban (77) Chara (71)

A few other notable examples:

Krug (63) Theodore (97) Brodie (115) Muzzin (146) Carlson (48) Barrie (93)
Schmidt (65) Weber (46) Ekholm (59) D.Savard (176) Petry (51) Cernak (80)
Sanheim (98) D.Toews (130) Pulock (163)

Let's not get so wound up about the Jets young d-men growing their game in the AHL for a season.

Recent Norris Trophy winners and the # of games that they spent in the AHL:

Josi (74), Giordano (144) Burns (74) Keith (154) Subban (77) Chara (71)

A few other notable examples:

Krug (63) Theodore (97) Brodie (115) Muzzin (146) Carlson (48) Barrie (93)
Schmidt (65) Weber (46) Ekholm (59) D.Savard (176) Petry (51) Cernak (80)
Sanheim (98) D.Toews (130) Pulock (163)
- bennythehat

Good info, thanks Benny.

It looks kinda like Niku might be in tonight, I see on Sportsnet Stanley was sent to the taxi squad yesterday. I wonder if they're showcasing Sami.

Let's not get so wound up about the Jets young d-men growing their game in the AHL for a season.

Recent Norris Trophy winners and the # of games that they spent in the AHL:

Josi (74), Giordano (144) Burns (74) Keith (154) Subban (77) Chara (71)

A few other notable examples:

Krug (63) Theodore (97) Brodie (115) Muzzin (146) Carlson (48) Barrie (93)
Schmidt (65) Weber (46) Ekholm (59) D.Savard (176) Petry (51) Cernak (80)
Sanheim (98) D.Toews (130) Pulock (163)
- bennythehat

NHL awards as whole are kind of a joke IMO

there are also significant excellent D that have played under 20 games in the AHL;
Makar (0), Heiskanen (0), Q. hughes (0), Trouba (0), Riley (0), Provorov (0)Werenski (7), and I can also keep going

NHL awards as whole are kind of a joke IMO

there are also significant excellent D that have played under 20 games in the AHL;
Makar (0), Heiskanen (0), Q. hughes (0), Trouba (0), Riley (0), Provorov (0)Werenski (7), and I can also keep going
- Ross77

Yes, some d-men are more ready than others. It also has a lot to do with which team is involved. Some teams have that immediate need for the player. My point was that spending time marinating in the "A" is not a bad thing.

Yes, some d-men are more ready than others. It also has a lot to do with which team is involved. Some teams have that immediate need for the player. My point was that spending time marinating in the "A" is not a bad thing.
- bennythehat

I agree with you for some circumstances, but if you are clearly better than some of the current D on the NHL club which Heinola is, and you will make that team better, then I say let him play.

will Heinola make mistakes, of course he will but is he better right now than most of our D, yes.

It looks kinda like Niku might be in tonight, I see on Sportsnet Stanley was sent to the taxi squad yesterday. I wonder if they're showcasing Sami.
- Jetlag

Who's Niku in for? Morrissey?!.. Lol 😂

Your hangup with Vesalainen and Gustafsson's skating is just wierd at this point.. Lol

Again the Jets have plenty of guys that are terrible skaters, Perreault is one of them and he contributes, don't get why you're so focused on those two prospects skating.

Gustafsson is producing well with the Moose btw, he's a ppg player at the moment.

Agree about Stanley and Heinola being better then Beaulieu and DeMelo, DeMelo is just not worth his contract, way too slow, another guy overrated by the fancy stats, hopefully Seattle wants him!
- JetFuel

I never said Gustafsson was bad in the AHL. I said Ves was a disappointment based on his teammates production, and the fact that he was producing around half the offense despite getting the bulk of the opportunity. To me, Ves has not succeeded at either the AHL, or NHL level, and his skating is not up to par.

Gus could be, his numbers are solid in the AHL, his size is an advantage, but he only put up 1 point through his 26 games in the NHL, and really doesn't deserve a spot in this crowded roster. He is best left to develop in the AHL where he gets high reps of good hockey, while a guy like Thompson/Lewis plays the role of 9 minutes a night with little production. No sense having Gus up to sit on the bench. I'd sooner have him developing in a big role, and yes, working on his skating.

It looks kinda like Niku might be in tonight, I see on Sportsnet Stanley was sent to the taxi squad yesterday. I wonder if they're showcasing Sami.
- Jetlag

Lets hope so, because I am getting tired of seeing Stanley used as the whipping boy. He has played a simple mistake-free game with some serious physicality mixed in. I am a fan of the big kid.

I agree with you for some circumstances, but if you are clearly better than some of the current D on the NHL club which Heinola is, and you will make that team better, then I say let him play.

will Heinola make mistakes, of course he will but is he better right now than most of our D, yes.
- Ross77

Have to make sure that Heinola is physically ready for the schedule grind and the physical aspect of playing in the show. The skills are there for sure.

[quote=bennythehat]

From all reports, and some observation, the skills are there. I would think that when Ville proves he can stand the rigors of playing pro hockey against so,e pretty tough dudes. he will never see the AHL again. It's all about strength and gaining experience right now.

Ville can play the right side as well, correct?

Don't believe the Jets will sell the farm in this Expansion Draft year to bring in a d-man long-term, but I wonder if guys like Savard of the Jackets or Oleksiak of the Stars might be brought in for a little playoff boost. Rentals both so might come cheap.

Maybe Sammy and the Jackets own 3rd rd pick for Savard (or Oleksiak)? Maybe not a huge upgrade but more stability.

Who's Niku in for? Morrissey?!.. Lol 😂
- JetFuel

He must've been taxi-squaded for cap relief. Apparently there are no lineup changes tonight. A view from the press box for a night might do Morrissey some good, but Paul would never do that to certain vets.

While I know PLD is supposedly a natural center and will ultimately do well at that position with the Jets , it not lost on me that he generated a lot more offence playing with Wheeler and Scheif on wing while Statsny played very well at center with Ehlers and Connor. We could see that change from time to time in games where Maurice needs to shake up the offense.

While I know PLD is supposedly a natural center and will ultimately do well at that position with the Jets , it not lost on me that he generated a lot more offence playing with Wheeler and Scheif on wing while Statsny played very well at center with Ehlers and Connor. We could see that change from time to time in games where Maurice needs to shake up the offense.
- jetsnation[/quot


Totally agree. PLD much more effective on the wing thus far.

But next year the line of Connor-PLD and Ehlers should be d-y-n-a-m-i-t-e! Maybe even later this season once they take the reigns off of PLD. Maybe tonight?

Price is tough to beat! But so is Helle! 4-0 Jets! (maybe)

Forbort needs to take some lessons from Stanley or Pionk on how not to get your point shot blocked every single time.