Double take.

Whats up, buddy? Having a bad day?
- PT21

It's always a good day whenever someone gets told who they really are.

With the resurgence of JVR, which I find to the eye test is more than a string of luck, I wonder if this changes the calculus of which players to protect at for the draft?

Assuming there are no ill-advised trades of the quick twitch fashion to address the current funk (imo Fletch should be like Hexy, with more polish), the 7 F would be:

Giroux, Hayes (contracts), and then: Bee, Konecny, JVR, Couturier, and Nopa (resigned)?

Yeah, I would expose Voracek (b/c of contract) and Linblom.

My only worry is if Laughton would be abetter bet than NoPa.

It's always a good day whenever someone gets told who they really are.
- Bendecko

No, I am genuinely puzzled. I don't remember any trouble with you beyond banter.

You are looking to start a flame war with me? I will be happy to oblige but are you sure?



There are gaping holes in your persona, and I have skated through the paint, and chosen to demur. If you are so hankering, this time I will oblige, and I will not miss.

But before that, it might be helpful to know why.

And btw, rest assured neither my persona nor participation is going to be affected in any way by your perspectives.

Bure was something out of a video game: 99 speed, 99 hands, 99 shot.

A lot of what McDavid does these days... harkens back to Bure.
- Tomahawk

But he did not have that warp speed shiftiness that McDavid does. The lateral trickery. Nor do I think he had that amazing ability to stop and start, which McDavid has, but which I think Crosby was even better at.

Not looking good lately however:

1-1 vs Caps

2-0 vs NYI

3-2 vs Pittsburgh

Boston lets not go there

I agree changes need to be made but they can't be dropping games like Buffalo tomorrow.
- Pelle31Forever

That 2-0 against the Isles. It carries an asterisk.

First, Isles had not gotten it together then. They were not even in the playoff rankings.

Then, iirc, both times, Flyers had early multi-goal leads. Both times Isles clawed back and the pressure towards the end was relentless. It reminds me quite a lot of the playoff games, when we had those large leads and then ended up needing OT.

Yeah, we won, but what I took away is that to beat the Isles in playoffs on something more than luck (and OT is kinda luck even on 4 on 4), we need as much as a 4 goal lead by the time of the 25 min mark or so.

Anything else, and they can catch up.

Ok, here is my latest thoughts on a plan for the Flyers to improve their defense. Sanheim is a RFA after this year, is young and a LHD shot. Trade him and a 2nd round pick to the Nashville for Ekholm before the deadline this year. WAIT .. there's more! Now you still only have 3 defenseman to protect in the ED, so you don't lose any other player you don't want to. Hopefully JVR is picked by Seattle in the ED and you save $7M a year. You take that money and use it to sign Dougie Hamilton as a FA. Thus you go into next season with a top 4 D of Ekholm, Provorov, Hamilton and Myers. Can you seriously contend with this backend? I'd say so and then some!

Ok, here is my latest thoughts on a plan for the Flyers to improve their defense. Sanheim is a RFA after this year, is young and a LHD shot. Trade him and a 2nd round pick to the Nashville for Ekholm before the deadline this year. WAIT .. there's more! Now you still only have 3 defenseman to protect in the ED, so you don't lose any other player you don't want to. Hopefully JVR is picked by Seattle in the ED and you save $7M a year. You take that money and use it to sign Dougie Hamilton as a FA. Thus you go into next season with a top 4 D of Ekholm, Provorov, Hamilton and Myers. Can you seriously contend with this backend? I'd say so and then some!
- jd250

They could definitely use a top 4 D man. However I think they could have won at least 3 of the games they lost if they had just an average PP and PK. Coaching needs to fix these problem soon. I’m not a fan of the assistants.

Ok, here is my latest thoughts on a plan for the Flyers to improve their defense. Sanheim is a RFA after this year, is young and a LHD shot. Trade him and a 2nd round pick to the Nashville for Ekholm before the deadline this year. WAIT .. there's more! Now you still only have 3 defenseman to protect in the ED, so you don't lose any other player you don't want to. Hopefully JVR is picked by Seattle in the ED and you save $7M a year. You take that money and use it to sign Dougie Hamilton as a FA. Thus you go into next season with a top 4 D of Ekholm, Provorov, Hamilton and Myers. Can you seriously contend with this backend? I'd say so and then some!
- jd250

If you trade Sanheim, it is for Doughty or Jones, not Ekholm.

If you look past the obvious issues of Niskanen/Hart there is something going on. You can see it on the lack of attention to detail in coverage of assignments and fundamental execution. I think there is a tune out going on in combination with certain players who are probably not comfortable playing in the current environment...

Does anyone else remember how Flyers teams tend to play before coaches get fired in season? I dont think its AV, I think the assistants have lost the room....

Action bias event expected soon... it really stinks after the hopes getting up last year...
- RajaAmpat

The issue is G being capt.... dude is a joke a capt end of story.... get rid of the cancer and watch what happens

The issue is G being capt.... dude is a joke a capt end of story.... get rid of the cancer and watch what happens
- Flyers_1488

They could probably get a third rounder for him. On second thought probably a 4th. He is making over $8mil per and is a joke so that will affect compensation.

They could probably get a third rounder for him. On second thought probably a 4th. He is making over $8mil per and is a joke so that will affect compensation.
- mickel25

Giroux at 8 M
Or
Jake at 8M

I would take G, he has looked good IMO since he has been back from COVID. I don't understand all the hate for him ( not just picking out you) .
He was great last night in the face off circle as well. What has Jake done ?
Jake skates around, doesn't shoot, turns puck over. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. I think a " core " move should be done, but can it during the season?

But he did not have that warp speed shiftiness that McDavid does. The lateral trickery. Nor do I think he had that amazing ability to stop and start, which McDavid has, but which I think Crosby was even better at.
- PT21

Suggest watching some old clips of him. He could stop and change direction on a dime. Unreal edges.

Just a shame that he played in the thick of the clutch n grab. And he missed so many games due to injury. And had to spend prime years stuck on an expansion team. There was one year in FLA when he had 90+ pts and the next closest teammate was in the mid-30's lol.

If he played today, with a modicum of health, I suspect he'd be neck and neck w/ OV in goal scoring year after year.

With the resurgence of JVR, which I find to the eye test is more than a string of luck, I wonder if this changes the calculus of which players to protect at for the draft?

Assuming there are no ill-advised trades of the quick twitch fashion to address the current funk (imo Fletch should be like Hexy, with more polish), the 7 F would be:

Giroux, Hayes (contracts), and then: Bee, Konecny, JVR, Couturier, and Nopa (resigned)?

Yeah, I would expose Voracek (b/c of contract) and Linblom.

My only worry is if Laughton would be abetter bet than NoPa.
- PT21

Bee is a two year pro thus exempt from the expansion draft. nopa I don’t see being here. He’s A train wreck. He could be traded shortly. Jvr makes 7 million a year I would leave him unprotected. I think it’s too early

Did you see your man JVR make that no-look behind-the-back pass on the pp? I have never seen JVR play like that. Not even when he was potting 30+ in Toronto.
- PT21

He’s playing with confidence

Giroux at 8 M
Or
Jake at 8M

I would take G, he has looked good IMO since he has been back from COVID. I don't understand all the hate for him ( not just picking out you) .
He was great last night in the face off circle as well. What has Jake done ?
Jake skates around, doesn't shoot, turns puck over. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. I think a " core " move should be done, but can it during the season?
- 3flyerkids

I would keep Jake. Yes, he hangs on to the puck too long at times...but if nothing else, he enters the zone with speed and purpose. G’s game these days is limited to a perimeter game. He doesn’t create time and space like he did back in the day. And he’s certainly not a legit scoring threat—hasn’t been for quite some time now.

I am convinced he is German. This is not the first time such idiosyncratic idiom has crept in. But he will not engage on that front so I can't be certain.

And the dude whose book you plugged before erasing the post - he is an amateur musician who has played gigs in South Jersey, and you have mentioned you are from that area and "fairly successful musician" yourself. Do you guys know each other in real life?
- PT21

Oh Jesus lord baby for fks sake he’s back.

Its called MOFO: Mad Outlets Freestyling w/o Order

Last year in the 2nd half of season, for the first time in years, I saw Flyers take time to compose their rush from the back end. They would methodically establish possession, one guy turning to shake off forwards, and perhaps a 2nd D man coming close to help out, and a F taking the first forward pass when in the zone, then hitting center ice with speed.

But in the playoffs, we learned that this personnel was vulnerable to a determined forecheck. I can't tell if what we are seeing is a reaction to that, or if it just reflects short training camp and so many new faces and new lines and it will improve.
- PT21

Please Sheldon go away. It was so peaceful here while you cleaned up your bedroom

Ok, here is my latest thoughts on a plan for the Flyers to improve their defense. Sanheim is a RFA after this year, is young and a LHD shot. Trade him and a 2nd round pick to the Nashville for Ekholm before the deadline this year. WAIT .. there's more! Now you still only have 3 defenseman to protect in the ED, so you don't lose any other player you don't want to. Hopefully JVR is picked by Seattle in the ED and you save $7M a year. You take that money and use it to sign Dougie Hamilton as a FA. Thus you go into next season with a top 4 D of Ekholm, Provorov, Hamilton and Myers. Can you seriously contend with this backend? I'd say so and then some!
- jd250

Aren't you overvaluing both Ekholm and Hamilton?

Here is an alternative plan for you.

1. Keep JVR if he can play the next 30 odd games anything like what he has, and the plyaoffs, when D gets tighter.. You know why? Because I am tired of Flyers forwards who have great intangibles and Corsis and work ethic and so on but cannot put the puck in the net. He can.

2. Sweeten the pot to let them pick Voracek. Its not that I hate him or think he is a travesty of team space. Its because of what I say below (freeing up salary space). (They will however probably pick Raffl/Lindblom/Laughton unless there is a lot of sweetening).

3. Keep Patrick largely because of how little it will cost him to keep gim and his potential. He is coming off a long injury, little training camp and I think it was Bob Mackenzie who said he was playing with "frightening passivity" even before his injury. Something is a little off there and it may be fixable and simply a matter of maturation and confidence.

4. After next year then, both Roo and Voracek contracts are off the cap. Let Roo walk. There are long standing rumors that some stud players want out. Like Eichel, and Seth Jones. Salary cap is gonna go up as the economy is going to take off in a few months. Use that extra dough and a pick or two to throw some serious coin and get a guy like that long term.

5. Trade Ghost. He should be tradeable now.

How about:

JVR-Couts-Bee
Lindblom/Laughton/Raffl (whoever is not picked) - Hayes - TK
Throw in some players in lines 3-4 who are serviceable and not picked and Frost, and Nopa of course.

Provorov -Seth Jones
Sanheim - Myers
York- some serviceable guy).

He’s playing with confidence
- SuperSchennBros

Its more than confidence. I see him hustling his ass getting back, breaking plays.

By the way, Ghost plays a helluva goalie in front of an empty net.

Bee is a two year pro thus exempt from the expansion draft. nopa I don’t see being here. He’s A train wreck. He could be traded shortly. Jvr makes 7 million a year I would leave him unprotected. I think it’s too early
- wbroudy

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't Bee be a 3rd year guy and thus not exempt? Draft is after this season, so Bee would have completed two full years?

Suggest watching some old clips of him. He could stop and change direction on a dime. Unreal edges.

Just a shame that he played in the thick of the clutch n grab. And he missed so many games due to injury. And had to spend prime years stuck on an expansion team. There was one year in FLA when he had 90+ pts and the next closest teammate was in the mid-30's lol.

If he played today, with a modicum of health, I suspect he'd be neck and neck w/ OV in goal scoring year after year.
- Tomahawk

I confess my starting to watch hockey coincided with those years, so my perspective of those times was not the most informed. I could be wrong, but I remember a lot of acceleration, not deceleration, and a lot of cherry-picking and hanging out near blue line waiting for breakaways.

Giroux at 8 M
Or
Jake at 8M

I would take G, he has looked good IMO since he has been back from COVID. I don't understand all the hate for him ( not just picking out you) .
He was great last night in the face off circle as well. What has Jake done ?
Jake skates around, doesn't shoot, turns puck over. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. I think a " core " move should be done, but can it during the season?
- 3flyerkids

Jake is only 6+ in real money...His cap hit is 8+, so that does play into how the Flyers look at him...he is on the back side of that contract.

Suggest watching some old clips of him. He could stop and change direction on a dime. Unreal edges.

Just a shame that he played in the thick of the clutch n grab. And he missed so many games due to injury. And had to spend prime years stuck on an expansion team. There was one year in FLA when he had 90+ pts and the next closest teammate was in the mid-30's lol.

If he played today, with a modicum of health, I suspect he'd be neck and neck w/ OV in goal scoring year after year.
- Tomahawk

As Ive said before, for my money, hes the best pure goal scorer of alltime

Giroux at 8 M
Or
Jake at 8M

I would take G, he has looked good IMO since he has been back from COVID. I don't understand all the hate for him ( not just picking out you) .
He was great last night in the face off circle as well. What has Jake done ?
Jake skates around, doesn't shoot, turns puck over. Maybe he needs a change of scenery. I think a " core " move should be done, but can it during the season?
- 3flyerkids

I am right with you. I will never understand why people hate Giroux for being the best player on teams that were not good at all. I am fine with criticizing his playoffs last year. Before that just shut up.

My post was a poor attempt at satire.