The problem with this team is we have too many of the same type of players. We need a little more size and grit next to Malkin. Malkin can still play at high level and likes to play a little on the edge...I would love to see us trade for Evander Kane, Pett’s a prospect, Rikola and few dollars in salary retention gets it done.
- Malkin

Is he even any good still, I didn't even know he was still playing lol

There's also this for sure... But there's no doubt he can be quite effective on the ice and probably would fit well on Geno's left... Though he seems more of Sid type wing haha like a bigger Kuntiz

kane geno kap wow
- MattStrat

Lol, I hope Ryan comes here so at least one of Palmer's dreams can be met. Jagr isn't gonna happen, Ryan is our only chance lol

Is he even any good still, I didn't even know he was still playing lol
- 668710

19 points in 22 games so far

Lol, I hope Ryan comes here so at least one of Palmer's dreams can be met. Jagr isn't gonna happen, Ryan is our only chance lol
- 668710

Hahaha I wouldn't mind Ryan at all

Kane plays long pants hockey...he's a Burkie boy, no question. He can lay some heavy fn checks haha

Yeah that’s where we disagree I think.

For just a late 1st I hang on to him and deal for a 2nd at the deadline if you’re out of it.

Now if you can move him for a 1st now and replace him with an UFA on say a 3yr deal that makes sense to me. Say a Saad, Schwartz, Tatar, Palmieri type guy. That way you still have a productive winger in his place but also added a pick for your future.
- Feds91Stammer

I'd hope for more but getting a 1st is a big deal for the Pens. The difference between a 1st and 2nd was a big deal in the Reaves deal, so it still is now.

Don't disagree about signing a replacement though. Think I said that somewhere earlier. I'm doing this under the assumption the Pens don't get me to believe they are contenders, so I'll take the downgrade at wing to add a 1st.

So you're saying trade Rust this off-season?
- 668710

Potentially. If I have completely given up on them as contenders, yes. I'd look to trade Rust, Zucker, and Dumoulin for futures, hopefully ahead of the expansion draft so we could protect a few other forwards if we want.

One of the main reasons you dont rebuild for the sake of rebuilding is because even if you get a top 3 pick, you might end up with a Nolan Patrick.

Not every draft is going to yield you a top caliber Crosby/Malkin/Ovie/McDavid/Matthews. Look at the 2012 Draft. Not one top 3 pick worked out.

The Penguins need to retool the cabinet. A lot of that means to stop spending draft picks on useless assets and trades. I think a lot of teams overvalue 1st round picks. If you can find a young prospect/NHL player that you can get for that 1st pick, make it. If you are trading those picks for rental players or guys with 1 year left on a deal, then dont trade it.

I aint rebuilding when Crosby/Malkin are still here. We will probably never have two generational talents on our team at once during our lifetime. Forcing yourself into a rebuild because you cant handle your superstars getting older seems wrong to me.

One of the main reasons you dont rebuild for the sake of rebuilding is because even if you get a top 3 pick, you might end up with a Nolan Patrick.

Not every draft is going to yield you a top caliber Crosby/Malkin/Ovie/McDavid/Matthews. Look at the 2012 Draft. Not one top 3 pick worked out.

The Penguins need to retool the cabinet. A lot of that means to stop spending draft picks on useless assets and trades. I think a lot of teams overvalue 1st round picks. If you can find a young prospect/NHL player that you can get for that 1st pick, make it. If you are trading those picks for rental players or guys with 1 year left on a deal, then dont trade it.

I aint rebuilding when Crosby/Malkin are still here. We will probably never have two generational talents on our team at once during our lifetime. Forcing yourself into a rebuild because you cant handle your superstars getting older seems wrong to me.
- SuperHenderson13

Well said.

I (frank)ing hope they bump Tanev up to Geno's line. But I know who's gonna go there....

Well said.
- 668710

Crosby would agree...

I (frank)ing hope they bump Tanev up to Geno's line. But I know who's gonna go there....
- 668710

Tatar?

I'm torn. On one hand, anything could happen this year and a couple low key trades to fill some holes might make sense. Sceivor for Virtanen, Jank and a 4th for Lazar. Ryan for our 2nd if they get hot and are looking good.

On the other hand you could strip all of the peripheral pieces and load up on assets to retool over the summer. Rust would get a 1st and a decent prospect from Edm or TOR. Petterson and a pick to the Jets for Samberg. ZAR right now might net you a 2nd or a solid prospect from a cash strapped team needing an extra winger. Not sure what could be had for McCann but I do think he has value around the league. Zucker is probably netting a quality asset but because of contract and injury, not enough for it to be woth trading him before next season.

If you could leave the core in tact and get 3-4 high value assets while clearing out $6-8m in cap is it worth it? I'm not sure...

I just know another one and done without doing something to make the team better in the future would be depressing to watch.

Tatar?
- Feds91Stammer

Lol

I'm torn. On one hand, anything could happen this year and a couple low key trades to fill some holes might make sense. Sceivor for Virtanen, Jank and a 4th for Lazar. Ryan for our 2nd if they get hot and are looking good.

On the other hand you could strip all of the peripheral pieces and load up on assets to retool over the summer. Rust would get a 1st and a decent prospect from Edm or TOR. Petterson and a pick to the Jets for Samberg. ZAR right now might net you a 2nd or a solid prospect from a cash strapped team needing an extra winger. Not sure what could be had for McCann but I do think he has value around the league. Zucker is probably netting a quality asset but because of contract and injury, not enough for it to be woth trading him before next season.

If you could leave the core in tact and get 3-4 high value assets while clearing out $6-8m in cap is it worth it? I'm not sure...

I just know another one and done without doing something to make the team better in the future would be depressing to watch.
- MacPatty

If we stay healthy and add say Tatar and a third liner
Guentz-Sid-Rust
Tatar-Geno-Kap
Zuck-McCann-xxx
ZAR-Blue-Tanev
Dumo-Tanger
Math-Marino
POJ-Ceci
Players can be juggled but you get the idea. I have Petts gone in this situation, but a separate trade, not for Tatar.

Crosby would agree...
- PENS1989

That's where my head is at. Now say if we are out of it next season I would absolutely ask Geno and Tanger if they wanted traded as rentals to go on a run. We would get good picks or prospects for them. Then just resign in the off-season. But I doubt they become free agents. They will probably work new contracts in this summer.

I'm torn. On one hand, anything could happen this year and a couple low key trades to fill some holes might make sense. Sceivor for Virtanen, Jank and a 4th for Lazar. Ryan for our 2nd if they get hot and are looking good.

On the other hand you could strip all of the peripheral pieces and load up on assets to retool over the summer. Rust would get a 1st and a decent prospect from Edm or TOR. Petterson and a pick to the Jets for Samberg. ZAR right now might net you a 2nd or a solid prospect from a cash strapped team needing an extra winger. Not sure what could be had for McCann but I do think he has value around the league. Zucker is probably netting a quality asset but because of contract and injury, not enough for it to be woth trading him before next season.

If you could leave the core in tact and get 3-4 high value assets while clearing out $6-8m in cap is it worth it? I'm not sure...

I just know another one and done without doing something to make the team better in the future would be depressing to watch.
- MacPatty

What the (frank) would the Pens want Lazar for? That dude sucks donkey balls.

One of the main reasons you dont rebuild for the sake of rebuilding is because even if you get a top 3 pick, you might end up with a Nolan Patrick.

Not every draft is going to yield you a top caliber Crosby/Malkin/Ovie/McDavid/Matthews. Look at the 2012 Draft. Not one top 3 pick worked out.

The Penguins need to retool the cabinet. A lot of that means to stop spending draft picks on useless assets and trades. I think a lot of teams overvalue 1st round picks. If you can find a young prospect/NHL player that you can get for that 1st pick, make it. If you are trading those picks for rental players or guys with 1 year left on a deal, then dont trade it.

I aint rebuilding when Crosby/Malkin are still here. We will probably never have two generational talents on our team at once during our lifetime. Forcing yourself into a rebuild because you cant handle your superstars getting older seems wrong to me.
- SuperHenderson13

Counterpoint: You need a lot more then to just hit a lottery pick or two to rebuild a team. See Edmonton and Buffalo. A rebuild now isn't going to even likely get you an immediate top pick.

It would be one thing if the team was built to sustain Crosby and Malkin as they age. But it isn't. Many of the key supporting players are almost 30 and need new contracts soon instead of the value ones they have now. (Rust, Dumpulin) They burnt out their prospect pool while those guys were in their prime and I have no regrets about that strategy. (Some moves yes, but not direction)

We at least agree it's time to stop shipping out futures. I'd just try to recoup some more now and then try to find some value UFAs.

Counterpoint: You need a lot more then to just hit a lottery pick or two to rebuild a team. See Edmonton and Buffalo. A rebuild now isn't going to even likely get you an immediate top pick.

It would be one thing if the team was built to sustain Crosby and Malkin as they age. But it isn't. Many of the key supporting players are almost 30 and need new contracts soon instead of the value ones they have now. (Rust, Dumpulin) They burnt out their prospect pool while those guys were in their prime and I have no regrets about that strategy. (Some moves yes, but not direction)

We at least agree it's time to stop shipping out futures. I'd just try to recoup some more now and then try to find some value UFAs.
- Tojo.

Buffalo and Edmonton are poor examples. They tried to accelerate their rebuilds and ended up with poop contracts wasting cap space that could go to support players.

Also if you start the rebuild now and get all these late 1st/2nd round type prospects they might end up keeping you in mediocrity for longer and never get to the top 5, top 10 pick range.

Counterpoint: You need a lot more then to just hit a lottery pick or two to rebuild a team. See Edmonton and Buffalo. A rebuild now isn't going to even likely get you an immediate top pick.

It would be one thing if the team was built to sustain Crosby and Malkin as they age. But it isn't. Many of the key supporting players are almost 30 and need new contracts soon instead of the value ones they have now. (Rust, Dumpulin) They burnt out their prospect pool while those guys were in their prime and I have no regrets about that strategy. (Some moves yes, but not direction)

We at least agree it's time to stop shipping out futures. I'd just try to recoup some more now and then try to find some value UFAs.
- Tojo.

So then is there a consensus that Hextall is the perfect GM for us right now and/or the future (post crosby)? If given patience to build/rebuild a team?

What the (frank) would the Pens want Lazar for? That dude sucks donkey balls.
- j.boyd919

Didn’t even realize dude was in the NHL lol.

Didn’t even realize dude was in the NHL lol.
- Feds91Stammer

Dude is 26 and has sucked ass his entire career lol

Dude is 26 and has sucked ass his entire career lol
- j.boyd919

But he was a 1st rounder lol. Give him a chance.

Dude is 26 and has sucked ass his entire career lol
- j.boyd919

Who the (frank) does he even play for?

Dude is 26 and has sucked ass his entire career lol
- j.boyd919

I remember him showing some flashes of skill with the Sens in his rookie season and thinking this kid might turn into something....then he just fizzled haha.