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Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Mar 11 @ 11:40 AM ET
I wouldn't bank on the NHLPA doing the NHL any favors. They're already not going to be happy, by no fault of the NHL really, that UFA's are going to see significantly lower contracts than they would have and I don't think the PA is going to start making concessions heading into another negotiation in four years. I don't think we're going to see the league throwing teams any bones. Most of the league is affected, so the playing field is really pretty level.
- eichiefs9

I remember Friedman’s saying that buyouts were an option at one point but they couldn’t decide on who would pay for them so they squashed it. Can’t see that mindset changing anytime soon
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 11:40 AM ET
https://twitter.com/David.../1369705874462109696?s=19
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Mar 11 @ 11:51 AM ET
Why would the NHLPA be against some buyouts? The bought out player gets paid and the cap relief will be spent on another player?
- JimmyP

Because they protect the players' interests. Most players probably don't like only getting paid 2/3 of what they have left on their deal and then having to move their family to a new city. I'm sure there's the odd player that just wants out of somewhere and is happy to be bought out, but I'd imagine most of them don't like having to uproot their lives.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 12:04 PM ET
Because they protect the players' interests. Most players probably don't like only getting paid 2/3 of what they have left on their deal and then having to move their family to a new city. I'm sure there's the odd player that just wants out of somewhere and is happy to be bought out, but I'd imagine most of them don't like having to uproot their lives.
- eichiefs9


That would be the current policy on buyouts. They may amend or change the policy for one time buy outs like they did after the Strike shortened season. In reality it’s no ones fault that the cap didn’t go up because of COVID-19 however letting teams struggle to improve due to no fault of their own hurts both the NHLPA and the league. If the cap remains the same and payrolls aren’t addressed players salaries will be reduced out of necessity. We have seem that with the FA signings the past off season and there’s no way the NHLPA wants that imo.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Mar 11 @ 12:17 PM ET
That would be the current policy on buyouts. They may amend or change the policy for one time buy outs like they did after the Strike shortened season. In reality it’s no ones fault that the cap didn’t go up because of COVID-19 however letting teams struggle to improve due to no fault of their own hurts both the NHLPA and the league. If the cap remains the same and payrolls aren’t addressed players salaries will be reduced out of necessity. We have seem that with the FA signings the past off season and there’s no way the NHLPA wants that imo.
- nyisles7

OMG! Players' salaries are just too low! No wonder Evander Kane filed for bankruptcy.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Mar 11 @ 12:25 PM ET
That would be the current policy on buyouts. They may amend or change the policy for one time buy outs like they did after the Strike shortened season. In reality it’s no ones fault that the cap didn’t go up because of COVID-19 however letting teams struggle to improve due to no fault of their own hurts both the NHLPA and the league. If the cap remains the same and payrolls aren’t addressed players salaries will be reduced out of necessity. We have seem that with the FA signings the past off season and there’s no way the NHLPA wants that imo.
- nyisles7

Compliance buyouts after the lockout were still only paid out at 2/3 of the remaining money on the deal over 2x the term. The only difference was that they didn't count against the cap at all.
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Mar 11 @ 1:47 PM ET
Because they protect the players' interests. Most players probably don't like only getting paid 2/3 of what they have left on their deal and then having to move their family to a new city. I'm sure there's the odd player that just wants out of somewhere and is happy to be bought out, but I'd imagine most of them don't like having to uproot their lives.
- eichiefs9


Yes, but as things stand new contracts will have to be lower than they would have been. Most players probably won't want to be locked into a long term contract at a lower salary.

So it becomes a question of which players interests take precedence - the players with existing contracts or the players looking to sign in the next couple of years. I think it's generally in the NHLPA's interest to come to some type of deal.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 1:48 PM ET
Hope they get a win tonight against the devils. While they are the better team they are due for a loss at some point. Hopefully when they do it's only a game as sometimes when these win streaks end they are followed by a few losses. To me these are must win games against a weaker team
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 1:56 PM ET
Compliance buyouts after the lockout were still only paid out at 2/3 of the remaining money on the deal over 2x the term. The only difference was that they didn't count against the cap at all.
- eichiefs9


Yes agreed but not counting against the cap now would help. My point is the players and or The NHLPA would welcome any kind of cap relief so that salaries continue to go up and buy outs with cap forgiveness would be welcomed IMO. That would be by all players not just a handful.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 1:57 PM ET
Hope they get a win tonight against the devils. While they are the better team they are due for a loss at some point. Hopefully when they do it's only a game as sometimes when these win streaks end they are followed by a few losses. To me these are must win games against a weaker team
- Upstate_isles




nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 1:59 PM ET
Yes, but as things stand new contracts will have to be lower than they would have been. Most players probably won't want to be locked into a long term contract at a lower salary.

So it becomes a question of which players interests take precedence - the players with existing contracts or the players looking to sign in the next couple of years. I think it's generally in the NHLPA's interest to come to some type of deal.

- JimmyP



100% agree
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 2:01 PM ET
The East Division is a gauntlet, featuring one of the most fascinatingly cruel playoff races in recent memory. A very good team is going to miss the playoffs.

Here’s what the top five teams would currently be on pace for in a normal 82-game season.

TEAM POINTS PACE
1
New York Islanders
114
2
Washington Capitals
112
3
Boston Bruins
107
4
Philadelphia Flyers
103
5
Pittsburgh Penguins
102
The margins are razor thin, every game already matters and it wouldn’t be a shock to see a team with a 100-point calibre season miss the playoffs – that’s how difficult this division is. In the Central, the fifth-best team is on pace for 82 points, in the North, it’s 79 and in the West, it’s 92 points (and I doubt the Kings keep it up).

The competition is fierce in the East and pretty much non-existent everywhere else. It’s led to some rather comical playoff probabilities where all five have been above 50 percent since mid-February. At one point, all five were at 70 percent or higher. To the laymen, that probably makes no sense – there’s only four playoff spots, how can five teams be more likely than not to make it?

The reason for that is there are 400 total playoff percentage points to divide up and the top five all have serious claim to it. If all five teams were exactly equal and the other three had zero chance, then those 400 percentage points would be divided up equally for an average of 80 percent. Sometimes Pittsburgh misses. Sometimes Philadelphia misses. Sometimes Boston misses. Sometimes Washington misses. Sometimes the Islanders miss.

Put all the simulations together and they all make it more often than not, but come May the music is going to stop and one team is going to be left without a chair. Right now, it’s very hard to discern exactly which team that’ll be – but it’s going to be extremely exciting to find out. And heartbreaking for that one team that misses, a team that likely would’ve made it if they were in literally any other division.

Buckle up.

1. During the last instalment of 16 Stats, I waxed poetic about how the Islanders were actually good with some strong underlying numbers. They’ve gone 7-0-1 since. There’s a legitimate argument to be made that the Islanders have separated themselves enough from the rest of the East pack to be considered the best in the group, and that’s not just because of their division-leading record and goal differential.

In terms of expected goals percentage, the difference between first and second in each division is largest in the East where the Islanders currently lead.

East (3.9 percent)

1. Islanders: 54.9 percent
2. Capitals: 51.0 percent

North (2.7 percent)

1. Montreal: 56.9 percent
2. Toronto: 54.2 percent

Central (0.8 percent)

1. Panthers: 54.3 percent
2. Stars: 53.5 percent

West (0.6 percent)

1. Wild: 56.1 percent
2. Avalanche: 55.4 percent

Expected goals aren’t everything, but the team gets timely scoring and strong goaltending on top of their imposing territorial dominance. Strong five-on-five play with above-average special teams? That’s enough to be considered at least a dark horse team, maybe even a contender. My model, which has famously never given the Islanders the credit they’ve deserved, is finally noticing thanks to these strong expected goals numbers. Only the Wild have seen a larger jump in expected win percentage than the Islanders have this season.

2. One of the biggest reasons for the Islanders’ success is the strength of its top line and top pair. The top line of Mathew Barzal, Anders Lee and Jordan Eberle is currently rocking an expected goals percentage of 64.1 percent, the fifth-highest among forward lines who’ve played over 100 minutes together. The top pair of Ryan Pulock and Adam Pelech currently have a 60.3 percent expected goals rate, the fourth-best of any defence pair that has played over 200 minutes together. Only Minnesota has a top five unit in both.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 2:21 PM ET
The East Division is a gauntlet, featuring one of the most fascinatingly cruel playoff races in recent memory. A very good team is going to miss the playoffs.

Here’s what the top five teams would currently be on pace for in a normal 82-game season.

TEAM POINTS PACE
1
New York Islanders
114
2
Washington Capitals
112
3
Boston Bruins
107
4
Philadelphia Flyers
103
5
Pittsburgh Penguins
102
The margins are razor thin, every game already matters and it wouldn’t be a shock to see a team with a 100-point calibre season miss the playoffs – that’s how difficult this division is. In the Central, the fifth-best team is on pace for 82 points, in the North, it’s 79 and in the West, it’s 92 points (and I doubt the Kings keep it up).

The competition is fierce in the East and pretty much non-existent everywhere else. It’s led to some rather comical playoff probabilities where all five have been above 50 percent since mid-February. At one point, all five were at 70 percent or higher. To the laymen, that probably makes no sense – there’s only four playoff spots, how can five teams be more likely than not to make it?

The reason for that is there are 400 total playoff percentage points to divide up and the top five all have serious claim to it. If all five teams were exactly equal and the other three had zero chance, then those 400 percentage points would be divided up equally for an average of 80 percent. Sometimes Pittsburgh misses. Sometimes Philadelphia misses. Sometimes Boston misses. Sometimes Washington misses. Sometimes the Islanders miss.

Put all the simulations together and they all make it more often than not, but come May the music is going to stop and one team is going to be left without a chair. Right now, it’s very hard to discern exactly which team that’ll be – but it’s going to be extremely exciting to find out. And heartbreaking for that one team that misses, a team that likely would’ve made it if they were in literally any other division.

Buckle up.

1. During the last instalment of 16 Stats, I waxed poetic about how the Islanders were actually good with some strong underlying numbers. They’ve gone 7-0-1 since. There’s a legitimate argument to be made that the Islanders have separated themselves enough from the rest of the East pack to be considered the best in the group, and that’s not just because of their division-leading record and goal differential.

In terms of expected goals percentage, the difference between first and second in each division is largest in the East where the Islanders currently lead.

East (3.9 percent)

1. Islanders: 54.9 percent
2. Capitals: 51.0 percent

North (2.7 percent)

1. Montreal: 56.9 percent
2. Toronto: 54.2 percent

Central (0.8 percent)

1. Panthers: 54.3 percent
2. Stars: 53.5 percent

West (0.6 percent)

1. Wild: 56.1 percent
2. Avalanche: 55.4 percent

Expected goals aren’t everything, but the team gets timely scoring and strong goaltending on top of their imposing territorial dominance. Strong five-on-five play with above-average special teams? That’s enough to be considered at least a dark horse team, maybe even a contender. My model, which has famously never given the Islanders the credit they’ve deserved, is finally noticing thanks to these strong expected goals numbers. Only the Wild have seen a larger jump in expected win percentage than the Islanders have this season.

2. One of the biggest reasons for the Islanders’ success is the strength of its top line and top pair. The top line of Mathew Barzal, Anders Lee and Jordan Eberle is currently rocking an expected goals percentage of 64.1 percent, the fifth-highest among forward lines who’ve played over 100 minutes together. The top pair of Ryan Pulock and Adam Pelech currently have a 60.3 percent expected goals rate, the fourth-best of any defence pair that has played over 200 minutes together. Only Minnesota has a top five unit in both.

- Upstate_isles


We Suck!!!

Fire Barry Can Lou!
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 2:23 PM ET
We Suck!!!

Fire Barry Can Lou!

- nyisles7

JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Mar 11 @ 3:11 PM ET
The East Division is a gauntlet, featuring one of the most fascinatingly cruel playoff races in recent memory. A very good team is going to miss the playoffs.

Here’s what the top five teams would currently be on pace for in a normal 82-game season.

TEAM POINTS PACE
1
New York Islanders
114
2
Washington Capitals
112
3
Boston Bruins
107
4
Philadelphia Flyers
103
5
Pittsburgh Penguins
102
The margins are razor thin, every game already matters and it wouldn’t be a shock to see a team with a 100-point calibre season miss the playoffs – that’s how difficult this division is. In the Central, the fifth-best team is on pace for 82 points, in the North, it’s 79 and in the West, it’s 92 points (and I doubt the Kings keep it up).

The competition is fierce in the East and pretty much non-existent everywhere else. It’s led to some rather comical playoff probabilities where all five have been above 50 percent since mid-February. At one point, all five were at 70 percent or higher. To the laymen, that probably makes no sense – there’s only four playoff spots, how can five teams be more likely than not to make it?

The reason for that is there are 400 total playoff percentage points to divide up and the top five all have serious claim to it. If all five teams were exactly equal and the other three had zero chance, then those 400 percentage points would be divided up equally for an average of 80 percent. Sometimes Pittsburgh misses. Sometimes Philadelphia misses. Sometimes Boston misses. Sometimes Washington misses. Sometimes the Islanders miss.

Put all the simulations together and they all make it more often than not, but come May the music is going to stop and one team is going to be left without a chair. Right now, it’s very hard to discern exactly which team that’ll be – but it’s going to be extremely exciting to find out. And heartbreaking for that one team that misses, a team that likely would’ve made it if they were in literally any other division.

Buckle up.

1. During the last instalment of 16 Stats, I waxed poetic about how the Islanders were actually good with some strong underlying numbers. They’ve gone 7-0-1 since. There’s a legitimate argument to be made that the Islanders have separated themselves enough from the rest of the East pack to be considered the best in the group, and that’s not just because of their division-leading record and goal differential.

In terms of expected goals percentage, the difference between first and second in each division is largest in the East where the Islanders currently lead.

East (3.9 percent)

1. Islanders: 54.9 percent
2. Capitals: 51.0 percent

North (2.7 percent)

1. Montreal: 56.9 percent
2. Toronto: 54.2 percent

Central (0.8 percent)

1. Panthers: 54.3 percent
2. Stars: 53.5 percent

West (0.6 percent)

1. Wild: 56.1 percent
2. Avalanche: 55.4 percent

Expected goals aren’t everything, but the team gets timely scoring and strong goaltending on top of their imposing territorial dominance. Strong five-on-five play with above-average special teams? That’s enough to be considered at least a dark horse team, maybe even a contender. My model, which has famously never given the Islanders the credit they’ve deserved, is finally noticing thanks to these strong expected goals numbers. Only the Wild have seen a larger jump in expected win percentage than the Islanders have this season.

2. One of the biggest reasons for the Islanders’ success is the strength of its top line and top pair. The top line of Mathew Barzal, Anders Lee and Jordan Eberle is currently rocking an expected goals percentage of 64.1 percent, the fifth-highest among forward lines who’ve played over 100 minutes together. The top pair of Ryan Pulock and Adam Pelech currently have a 60.3 percent expected goals rate, the fourth-best of any defence pair that has played over 200 minutes together. Only Minnesota has a top five unit in both.

- Upstate_isles

So what are the expected goals for Ross Johnston?
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 3:43 PM ET

- Upstate_isles

Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Mar 11 @ 3:45 PM ET
Because they protect the players' interests. Most players probably don't like only getting paid 2/3 of what they have left on their deal and then having to move their family to a new city. I'm sure there's the odd player that just wants out of somewhere and is happy to be bought out, but I'd imagine most of them don't like having to uproot their lives.
- eichiefs9

Also because most of these guys are extremely competitive and want to continue playing but that’s why I stressed “as long as they don’t get hurt on the way out”. Maybe they negotiate a payout for the players benefit and if the teams really want to buy out a player they do it? Something that works for both sides because of the worlds current situation because like recent salaries there will have to be some correction eventually unless this thing is really gone before the start of next season...
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 3:56 PM ET

- nyisles7

Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 6:55 PM ET
What will sorokons save %be tonight?

Over or under .900

I'm going with .959
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 7:13 PM ET
Nice shift for 3rd line
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Mar 11 @ 7:13 PM ET
Martin!
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Mar 11 @ 7:14 PM ET
Martin!

Scoring machine!
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Mar 11 @ 7:14 PM ET
4th line again
cdn_Isles_fan
New York Islanders
Location: ottawa, ON
Joined: 11.20.2015

Mar 11 @ 7:14 PM ET
Martin on fire !!!
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 11 @ 7:14 PM ET
4th line again
- Upstate_isles


Shat signing line strikes again!
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