Hall Tavares nylander would be a pretty good 2nd line.

Which would make kerfoot expendable
- bryant

And what exactly does Hall plus whatever they retain to make it work cost us?

And what exactly does Hall plus whatever they retain to make it work cost us?
- Canada Cup

Not as much as people think considering most teams don't want to add salary this season, he is having a bad year statistically, and has a NMC and most certainly has teams he wouldn't go to(likely wants a true contender)

Chances are high that when he signed that 1 year deal it was an agreement Hall has a huge say in where he goes in exchange for giving Echiel talent.

Seems like wherever that guy goes the team sucks.

He would be able to hide a bit with the leafs. We have enough good players to rag on every game.
- bryant

if we look at the team he has been on
Edmonton
NJ
Arizona
Buffalo

I think he just goes to sucky, poorly managed teams...and they continue to suck.

you can have the best player in the world and play 17 playoff games in 5 years

Dubas has shown he can do that in FA consistently.
- Santo_44

I thought of that also. He has been OK with that; a little bit hit and miss.

I wonder if there is more competition coming for this thinking. I feel like Dubas may have been a bit ahead of the curve in his thinking in this regard.

Not as much as people think considering most teams don't want to add salary this season, he is having a bad year statistically, and has a NMC and most certainly has teams he wouldn't go to(likely wants a true contender)

Chances are high that when he signed that 1 year deal it was an agreement Hall has a huge say in where he goes in exchange for giving Echiel talent.
- Santo_44

They’re selling assets. He’s a key asset. If he comes to Toronto, a rival their fans hate, they’re going to have to retain a #hit load of salary. What’s a ballpark of what they ask for?

I thought of that also. He has been OK with that; a little bit hit and miss.

I wonder if there is more competition coming for this thinking. I feel like Dubas may have been a bit ahead of the curve in his thinking in this regard.
- Aetherial

It is a lot to ask for him to hit on all of them. Also who's the next vet he brings on the cheap?

He has also done a good job building a prospect pool that was depleted just a few years ago. It has plenty of B prospects which are good to use at the TDL to fill holes.

He'll have to work hard each year filling those holes but he has options to do it every year with the KHL, Vets, Ennis/Boyd type guys, TDL.

Not as much as people think considering most teams don't want to add salary this season, he is having a bad year statistically, and has a NMC and most certainly has teams he wouldn't go to(likely wants a true contender)

Chances are high that when he signed that 1 year deal it was an agreement Hall has a huge say in where he goes in exchange for giving Echiel talent.
- Santo_44

I'm sure Buffalo cannot wait to just give Taylor Hall away to the Leafs.

Who wouldn't?

They’re selling assets. He’s a key asset. If he comes to Toronto, a rival their fans hate, they’re going to have to retain a #hit load of salary. What’s a ballpark of what they ask for?
- Canada Cup

I am sure buffalo would love to take an asset from Toronto knowing Hall wont be there when they come back to their division.

It is a buyers market no matter the player this season. The majority of teams don't want to add salary. Hall has a NMC.

Options will be limited.

I won't guess exactly but considering the circumstances probably half the value of what he brought back with the ARZ trade in mid December.

I not wedded to that particular player (things didn’t work out and he broke it off) but he was mentioned and someone who fills that role makes sense on a rental contract for the right $ and return.
- Canada Cup

Fair enough, I'm hoping they go in a different direction as I don't see the fit beyond some versatility (in a pinch, he could play C).

Had to run an errand, so I popped into Sport Chek to buy a new Leafs hat.

They only sold Fanatics brand.

Holy poop, the quality is awful. And they were sitting on a rack next to Blue Jays hats - 47 brand - you could really see the difference.

Not sure what my next move is. Nothing listed from Amazon Prime.

I'm sure Buffalo cannot wait to just give Taylor Hall away to the Leafs.

Who wouldn't?
- Scabeh

I am sure they would love to take future assets from the Leafs and give them a rental in the only year in league history that they wont have to face him.

Had to run an errand, so I popped into Sport Chek to buy a new Leafs hat.

They only sold Fanatics brand.

Holy poop, the quality is awful. And they were sitting on a rack next to Blue Jays hats - 47 brand - you could really see the difference.

Not sure what my next move is. Nothing listed from Amazon Prime.
- Atomic Wedgie

https://www.lids.com/nhl-...400?_ref=p-TLP:m-SIDE_NAV

Was thinking this too...but as long as we know whoever they trade for with term they likely have to make a deal with the Kraken to not take him in the expansion draft which adds to the price.
- Santo_44

Great point -- and something that may lean Dubas into making a deal that is a pure rental.

I watch him pretty closely, I actually watch goalies in all games to see how goals are scored and what goalies are doing that appears to work/not work and (perhaps more importantly) how shooters are adjusting and in turn (hopefully) goalies.

I don't see Andersen drop down early any more often than any other goalie in the league, part of sometimes why it looks that way is a deflection or blocked / partially blocked shot. I don't see him flopping or flailing around as you describe very often, definatley on a scramble or when he loses the puck but you make it sound like he is Hutch.

If you don't feel any of what you are describing is Hutch to a T then we aren't even close to watching the same goalies. I jumped on here to see how much HUTCH got ripped for the terrible game winner the other night where he was down way early, (and in fact never should have even been down in the RVH to start with) and got torched over his shoulder for the game winner. I couldn't find anyone ripping this at all, had it been Freddy.......

So do you not feel there are any "good" goals against? Maybe this is why we fundamentally disagree. I"m a goalie, I will tell you there are good goals - hard stop. Anyone who spouts off "the goalies job is to stop all the shots" I have zero time to listen to.

Freddy doesn't give up a soft goal every game - this narrative is one created and everyone now goes out of their way to 'prove' by finding a goal against and claiming it's a 'softie'. It's annoying AF to be honest.

I watched the whole game and saw zero bad goals against and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way but most of us are just silent on it and let everyone who wants to proclaim Fred is the worst in all ways do so in silence. I personally figure it allows them to not blame others and that's the end goal perhaps I just don't get it. I don't get all the hate for the starting goalie to the point people are actually saying poop like Hutch is a better option - it's crazy.

Andersen is what he is, a 5M dollar goalie who is amongst the lead leaders in wins, and has given his team a performance that is more than fair value to dollar over the length of his contract in my opinion. He's not the best in the league but he's far better than the worst.

Someone else said it but I feel the same- no goalie will ever be good enough for Leafs fans.

C'est la vie.

I knew I shouldn't have posted that little joke to Garnie and just sent him a PM instead.
- Cush29

I don't like evaluating goalies on Wins totally takes away the strength of the team and the number of starts. Didn't Raycroft own the Leafs record for a while? I don't think anyone would argue he was better than Joseph or Belfour.

There are games where Freddie does not give up a softie, but not many. He does look to me like everything is life and death around the Leafs net.. but that could be my own nervousness watching him play. The deciding game of the playoffs thing is real; every time.

I don't expect the same things from Hutchinson that I do from Andersen, although the stats comparison back to last season, is pretty interesting

Like I said, I think the most telling thing is, can any of us say we would be surprised at any putrid goal Andersen let in? Yeah, we would get pissed, but surprised? I can't see how we would be.

I can't count the number of times I here the pro-Andersen arguments start with "well except for the # goal, and maybe the # goal, he was solid".

Yes, all goalies make mistakes, but all teams also make defensive mistakes and the Leafs this year are better than most. His numbers are mediocre at best.

I am sure they would love to take future assets from the Leafs and give them a rental in the only year in league history that they wont have to face him.
- Santo_44

Sure.

But you implied he wouldn't cost too much because he hasn't been rocking it in Buffalo.

There's no way the Leafs land Hall without giving away their best future assets. Same with every other team.

I'm sure Buffalo cannot wait to just give Taylor Hall away to the Leafs.

Who wouldn't?
- Scabeh

Not sure why the Leafs would want to target Hall in the first place.

Great point -- and something that may lean Dubas into making a deal that is a pure rental.
- mjones242

Yeah this might be the year we see Dubas preferring a rental..and going with the term next season.

Are you a goalie? I ask because the #1 rule of an odd man rush is the goalie takes the shooter, the Defensive player is responsible for taking away the pass. NHL shooters are too good for the goalie to try and worry about the pass - if they do the shooter will expose them and score every single time.

The 2nd part - are you sure you aren't talking about HUTCH?
- Cush29

nope definitely Andersen.
... and also no talking about odd-man rushes. It is something I watch for now. He slides way outside the angle covering the net, a lot.

it is almost like he has a problem squaring-up and going straight up and down.

Like I have always said about him, when he is "calm" in the net he looks much bigger and the saves seem much easier. We have seen him go through stretches like that, but not for a quite a while now.

I'm sure Buffalo cannot wait to just give Taylor Hall away to the Leafs.

Who wouldn't?
- Scabeh

Ya teams wont be giving assets like hall away.

Sure.

But you implied he wouldn't cost too much because he hasn't been rocking it in Buffalo.

There's no way the Leafs land Hall without giving away their best future assets. Same with every other team.
- Scabeh

Most definitively decreases his value

Sorry man, I disagree. I think Hall is cheaper than he would normally cost for many many reasons. We have seen plenty of different things happen due to this pandemic and this is no different.

Its a market and a players value decreases or increases as the market changes.

I would offer a 2nd, to start. Not sure how much more.
- bixll

cbj are looking for a Center
not sure if they are willing to let Jenner go.

I'm sure Buffalo cannot wait to just give Taylor Hall away to the Leafs.

Who wouldn't?
- Scabeh

If they want last place.... Maybe, and maybe cheap. But other choices would be a far better fit. JMO

Ya teams wont be giving assets like hall away.
- Fakepartofme

No one is saying that.

Just that his value is down for many obvious reasons.

Lest we forget that Granlund is predominantly a W. He flirted with the C position earlier in his career (5ish years ago) but wasn't particularly good at it and isn't suddenly going to fill that role between Soup and Hyman.

No one is suggesting the Leafs add "toughness for its own sake", I'm suggesting the Leafs add toughness because it's a missing ingredient that is demonstrably important in a Cup run.

Imagine the Leafs had more grit than just Nazem Kadri in those playoffs against the Bs? Kadri stepped into that sandpaper role because no one else could fill those qualifications and got himself suspended twice because he lacks hockey IQ and overstepped himself.

I don't buy the mental mistakes narrative. The Leafs play a soft game and their skill took them as far as it could go. A bit more grit and grind and this team goes a lot farther.

Granlund ain't the answer.
- mjones242

Tampa learned this lesson.

You don't need "goons" but you need guys whose game does not wilt. You see it even in regular season. Vancouver got away with a (frank) of a lot, and it isn't the lack of PP opportunities that were the problem, it is that the Leafs team still seems to get mentally off their game.

Most definitively decreases his value

Sorry man, I disagree. I think Hall is cheaper than he would normally cost for many many reasons. We have seen plenty of different things happen due to this pandemic and this is no different.

Its a market and a players value decreases or increases as the market changes.
- Santo_44

Despite recent results, Taylor Hall would be the biggest addition to any team looking for more offense for the playoffs. I don't see another candidate that comes close.

I don't think he's the best fit for what the Leafs need anyway, but if he's to be traded, I fully expect teams to have to pay a premium price for him.