I like where the Leafs are at and not huge on whataboutism but I think the Leafs would be better minus Nylander and Plus Pietrangelo on the top pair.
- TheMussel

That's where the great debates spawns the other debates. He went for $8.8m x 7 and is 31. Do you want a defenseman making $9m against the cap when he's 38? Maybe if he'd have come for 4-5 years it would have been better, but I think the term sold him. I think the term would have (or should have) scared us.

So, for the sake of argument - you trade Nylander ($7m), don't sign Brodie ($5m -- btw, his deal ends when he's 34), and instead sign Pietrangelo to an $8.8 x7 deal. You have $3.2m to find a winger who can slot top-9 to replace Nylander. Maybe they look at Granlund ($3.75), maybe Duclair ($1.7), Haula ($1.75) -- or maybe you just keep Kapanen or Johnsson who were making that much.

The defense is better, I think that's a no-brainer. At some point the offense will start to suffer if you lose too many diversified weapons. Love him or hate him (and I think most recognize Willy's strengths and weaknesses), Willy is someone who can excel if the opposition's defense isn't strong on him.

The unknown to me in that equation is: Is Pietrangelo so much better than Brodie that it would negate Nylander's value over someone like Johnsson or Kapanen? Or are they close enough that the risk in term on Pietrangelo outweighed the move.

You’re half right
- Canada Cup

Counterproductive I think is the word I was going for?

I've been sinking all of my spare time into playing Diablo 3 and reading self help books lately.

Now that I actually write that out, it sounds pretty oxymoronic.
- TheMussel

Well I'm a boomer, I brush up on my Pong.

Yeah he's been working through being a little female dog
- TheMussel

best poop on earth..

cut thick, toasted with butter with eggs over medium and hot sauce or chilly sauce
- Tanooki

toad in the hole

You started it. You're obsessed with Rye Bread.
- AdamFrench

Nicely done

That's where the great debates spawns the other debates. He went for $8.8m x 7 and is 31. Do you want a defenseman making $9m against the cap when he's 38? Maybe if he'd have come for 4-5 years it would have been better, but I think the term sold him. I think the term would have (or should have) scared us.

So, for the sake of argument - you trade Nylander ($7m), don't sign Brodie ($5m -- btw, his deal ends when he's 34), and instead sign Pietrangelo to an $8.8 x7 deal. You have $3.2m to find a winger who can slot top-9 to replace Nylander. Maybe they look at Granlund ($3.75), maybe Duclair ($1.7), Haula ($1.75) -- or maybe you just keep Kapanen or Johnsson who were making that much.

The defense is better, I think that's a no-brainer. At some point the offense will start to suffer if you lose too many diversified weapons. Love him or hate him (and I think most recognize Willy's strengths and weaknesses), Willy is someone who can excel if the opposition's defense isn't strong on him.

The unknown to me in that equation is: Is Pietrangelo so much better than Brodie that it would negate Nylander's value over someone like Johnsson or Kapanen? Or are they close enough that the risk in term on Pietrangelo outweighed the move.
- Monkeypunk

I agree about Pietrangelo's value at age 38 but the Leafs are very much in a win now window. I would consider the last 4 years of his contract as part of the price that has to be paid to get him. It basically has to happen before Matthews' contract is up in case he doesn't want to come back.

And when it comes down to it, even if Pietrangelo is only say, 25% better than Brodie (at the risk of adding an arbitrary relative quantification), the true value is the peak talent that you can put on the ice during crucial game situations. Pietrangelo as one of 6 d-men on the Leafs, marginal improvement. Pietrangelo over Brodie during the last 3 minutes of a 1 goal game, notable improvement.

It's a little bit like the whole "the winner of the trade is the team that gets the best player" idiom.

I've been sinking all of my spare time into playing Diablo 3 and reading self help books lately.

Now that I actually write that out, it sounds pretty oxymoronic.
- TheMussel

I haven't played Diablo 3 in a long while. I find every time I start playing it, I always go down the Rabbit hole with it and play it nonstop for way too long.

Same with Skyrim.

I haven't played Diablo 3 in a long while. I find every time I start playing it, I always go down the Rabbit hole with it and play it nonstop for way too long.

Same with Skyrim.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Been Witcher 3'ing again. Just (frank)ing around doing all of the side quests I can before even leaving Veden.

I haven't played Diablo 3 in a long while. I find every time I start playing it, I always go down the Rabbit hole with it and play it nonstop for way too long.

Same with Skyrim.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I'm a PoE guy so Diablo 3 is a bit fresh (haven't played it since before 2.0), and can play couch coop on the PS4. I'm sure the novelty will run out soon since acquiring gear and making good builds is super easy.

PoE consumes me and all of my toughts and time whenever I start a new league though.

AA, what colour does the sky turn when a nuke goes off???


Oh, forgot you can't reply... Enjoy the time off

Cheers

you need to watch Idiocracy .. a movie from 2004-05 or so.

humanity is not getting smarter, far from it... evolution (for humans) has stopped.

it is true that many things are changing and changing much more rapidly than people are accustomed to.... question is are they changing for the better - or just changing. I do understand that for some people who view the world thru the lens of their phones... that it is a little challenging to get perspective.
- BorjeFan4Ever

it's a very good movie

love the all in one chair

Been Witcher 3'ing again. Just (frank)ing around doing all of the side quests I can before even leaving Veden.
- AdamFrench

I haven't actually played that game. I just got back into Xbox at the beginning of the pandemic and I've spent most of my time playing FPS's, mostly Warzone.

My brother played that game and told me it was good, though.

And my friends all say I should play Ghost of Tsushima.

AA, what colour does the sky turn when a nuke goes off???


Oh, forgot you can't reply... Enjoy the time off

Cheers
- bixll

I'm a PoE guy so Diablo 3 is a bit fresh (haven't played it since before 2.0), and can play couch coop on the PS4. I'm sure the novelty will run out soon since acquiring gear and making good builds is super easy.

PoE consumes me and all of my toughts and time whenever I start a new league though.
- TheMussel

I've not played PoE, either. I'll look it up. See what it's about.

Yeah, I played Diablo 3 on my old Xbox with my brother. Easy way to game. For sure, I haven't played in a few years now because of that. haha

That's where the great debates spawns the other debates. He went for $8.8m x 7 and is 31. Do you want a defenseman making $9m against the cap when he's 38? Maybe if he'd have come for 4-5 years it would have been better, but I think the term sold him. I think the term would have (or should have) scared us.
- Monkeypunk

If I was a GM, I'd have a rule about no guy on the team over the age of 33 making more than $6M a year.

Those numbers can be adjusted after looking at graphs and spreadsheets and poop, but seriously, there should be a line which shouldn't be crossed.

How many contracts to superstars after the age of 27 have worked out well?

People laugh at Dubas for giving Matthews and Marner huge contracts, but at least he's paying for them during their most productive years.

Tavares was a mistake.

Karlsson was a mistake.

Parise was a mistake.

I could go on and on and on...

If I was a GM, I'd have a rule about no guy on the team over the age of 33 making more than $6M a year.

Those numbers can be adjusted after looking at graphs and spreadsheets and poop, but seriously, there should be a line which shouldn't be crossed.

How many contracts to superstars after the age of 27 have worked out well?

People laugh at Dubas for giving Matthews and Marner huge contracts, but at least he's paying for them during their most productive years.

Tavares was a mistake.

Karlsson was a mistake.

Parise was a mistake.

I could go on and on and on...
- Atomic Wedgie

Not if we win a cup...

If we don't, sure you could call it a mistake. (Unless he can be dumped later in the contract due to the actual $$$ owed going down)

Been Witcher 3'ing again. Just (frank)ing around doing all of the side quests I can before even leaving Veden.
- AdamFrench

Finished Witcher 3 a month ago - but I probably didn't even do 25% of the side quests, maybe more. It took months. I've never played anything as in-depth (although to the prior post, I kept running into crash issues in Skyrim, so I never got immersed in it).

AA, what colour does the sky turn when a nuke goes off???


Oh, forgot you can't reply... Enjoy the time off

Cheers
- bixll

Oh boy finally

His 2nd account banned in like 3 days

Not if we win a cup...

If we don't, sure you could call it a mistake. (Unless he can be dumped later in the contract due to the actual $$$ owed going down)
- Leafs43

I don’t see how having a star center on your team is a mistake

I've not played PoE, either. I'll look it up. See what it's about.

Yeah, I played Diablo 3 on my old Xbox with my brother. Easy way to game. For sure, I haven't played in a few years now because of that. haha
- GreatGigInTheSky

It's a bit like Golf. A simple ol' college try won't suffice if you want to have any kind of success at it. Requires a good bit of commitment to get to the fun parts.... be forewarned.

If I was a GM, I'd have a rule about no guy on the team over the age of 33 making more than $6M a year.

Those numbers can be adjusted after looking at graphs and spreadsheets and poop, but seriously, there should be a line which shouldn't be crossed.

How many contracts to superstars after the age of 27 have worked out well?

People laugh at Dubas for giving Matthews and Marner huge contracts, but at least he's paying for them during their most productive years.

Tavares was a mistake.

Karlsson was a mistake.

Parise was a mistake.

I could go on and on and on...
- Atomic Wedgie

Parise and Suter signed in their primes.

Oh boy finally

His 2nd account banned in like 3 days
- Santo_44

And if he shows up with another alt, we'll never know cause he never starts any poop

Finished Witcher 3 a month ago - but I probably didn't even do 25% of the side quests, maybe more. It took months. I've never played anything as in-depth (although to the prior post, I kept running into crash issues in Skyrim, so I never got immersed in it).
- Monkeypunk

I never actually finished the main story in Skyrim. I just did my own poop.

I killed some bandit ass in a cave at one point and ended up ruining the rest of the game though, since he didn't respawn and I couldn't do the quest.

That, and the game crashing, was why I stopped playing the last time I played.

If I was a GM, I'd have a rule about no guy on the team over the age of 33 making more than $6M a year.

Those numbers can be adjusted after looking at graphs and spreadsheets and poop, but seriously, there should be a line which shouldn't be crossed.

How many contracts to superstars after the age of 27 have worked out well?

People laugh at Dubas for giving Matthews and Marner huge contracts, but at least he's paying for them during their most productive years.

Tavares was a mistake.

Karlsson was a mistake.

Parise was a mistake.

I could go on and on and on...
- Atomic Wedgie

your hair cannot cover your name on the jersey