Exactly. jd250 proposed the Flyers trade York, two prospects and a few draft picks for him. LOL. I saw a proposal on Ek's current thread by a Flyers fan suggesting the Flyers give up Frost and a 1st and 2nd rounder for him.
- MJL

Thank you for the reference MJL, its nice to know I am in your thoughts

Why are people so obsessed with the expansion draft? It's like people have this thought process of the Flyers not being to make any moves because of the friggin expansion draft. Seattle can only take ONE player from their roster. This team needs a viable defenseman to replace the loss of Niskanen and they simply won't be considered a contender until they do. It's like, let's just waste an entire season due to the expansion draft. Eh what??

This is what I don't understand, why is York a non-starter? he is not even the best defenseman for his college team right now. Why do we have the mentality that every single player the Flyers draft is going to be a superstar that we absolutely can't part with?

And this argument that the Flyers have a good record if you take out the Bruins games ... well I hate to break it to you, you CAN'T take out the Bruins games and still be living in reality. The bottom line is the road to the cup is going through Boston whether you like it or not, and the Flyers need to do everything they can to become a team that can beat Boston in a 7 game series, and right now its clear that they are not that team.
- jd250

The reason I say this is that a young strong dman that has shown great potential (ie U20) is worth their eight in gold. If he pans out into being a top four, that’s huge.

I’d be interested, But not at sending out a package which would be an overpay. We have to stay the course with keeping those picks and prospects until we really think it’s go time to contend. I don’t want them to take a shot for 2 years I want it to be a longer window. You need to hold on to picks etc to do that

I still don’t see us being a contender just yet.

While this is very unlikely to happen for a variety of reason Palmieri and Murray from the devils would be a good package to get. Palmieri is going to be a very nice pick up for someone.

Why are people so obsessed with the expansion draft? It's like people have this thought process of the Flyers not being to make any moves because of the friggin expansion draft. Seattle can only take ONE player from their roster. This team needs a viable defenseman to replace the loss of Niskanen and they simply won't be considered a contender until they do. It's like, let's just waste and entire season due to the expansion draft. Eh what??
- Phillywhiteout

We do need to fill that spot. Highest priority. But at any cost for a player that might not fit? No way. We need a right shot top 2 dman. He’s not that.

The team is making great strides but should we go all in with the holes of beating Boston Tampa etc? Unless it’s for that top two stud dman then I say no. It’s not get anyone we can to fill the spot at any cost time yet. Maybe fletcher is under win now pressure and makes that move. Hope he doesn’t make short term moves

So we should just do nothing to improve now an hold onto to every prospect and pick, hoping that they all pan out?? I think that is why Hextall was fired, and rightly so!
- jd250

There's a wide gamut between doing nothing and going all in for a 2nd-pair dman.

Niskanen didn't cost an arm and a leg, for example.

I really like Ekholm and I think if the Flyers get him it will really solidify our top 4 D, which is essential to the Flyers becoming a real contender. However, I am not willing to give up TK, and I don't think the Flyers will be either. In fact I don't think any team who would want Ekholm would give Nashville the equivalent of a player like TK.

I am willing to give picks and prospects for Ekholm, which according to reports of Nashville scouting recent Phantom's games, looks to be what Nashville wants. What I would not do is include Jay O'Brien or Tyson Foerster in any deals. I would entertain including York only because with a top 4 of Ekholm, Provorov, Myers and Sanheim, York becomes less valuable to the Flyers near term. However I think Nashville wants NHL ready prospects anyway.
- jd250

Poile needs NHL-ready young forward talent. TK, NP, Oskar. Farabee will be the kinds of players that he's looking for.

The Sabres are a total dumpster fire.
- Nh_kong

They have some really nice pieces. They’re just all really young. If they’re smart they’ll flip Hall for picks and continue to build.

That said, Eichel doesn’t seem to have much patience. But even if that work itself out they’re still going to get a haul for him too.

No clue why their coach didn’t pull the goalie late in the 3rd yesterday tho.

I am willing to give picks and prospects for Ekholm, which according to reports of Nashville scouting recent Phantom's games, looks to be what Nashville wants. What I would not do is include Jay O'Brien or Tyson Foerster in any deals. I would entertain including York only because with a top 4 of Ekholm, Provorov, Myers and Sanheim, York becomes less valuable to the Flyers near term. However I think Nashville wants NHL ready prospects anyway.
- jd250

Stating that acquiring Ekholm would make York less valuable in any term, makes zero sense. I'll add that comment to the list.

Why are people so obsessed with the expansion draft? It's like people have this thought process of the Flyers not being to make any moves because of the friggin expansion draft. Seattle can only take ONE player from their roster. This team needs a viable defenseman to replace the loss of Niskanen and they simply won't be considered a contender until they do. It's like, let's just waste an entire season due to the expansion draft. Eh what??
- Phillywhiteout

It's a mistake to think that adding Ekholm will change the outcome of this season and be worth the cost including how it affects the expansion draft.

There's a wide gamut between doing nothing and going all in for a 2nd-pair dman.

Niskanen didn't cost an arm and a leg, for example.
- Tomahawk

I’ve got to take some time to see whos ufa this offseason for rh dman.

That or a trade at the draft for that top pairing Right handed dman Is what I’d prefer. Gonna be a kings ransom, but we need it.

Ekholm is a lefty but does he play left or right d?

I'll tell you right now, the Bruins Defense is in disarray right now because they are playing young players and they have injuries, thus this makes the Bruins prime candidates for Ekholm. If the Flyers don't jump on this and the Bruins get Ekholm, kiss this season good bye!
- jd250

The Bruins are already better than the Flyers. That's a complete non-factor in the decision making.

Poile needs NHL-ready young forward talent. TK, NP, Oskar. Farabee will be the kinds of players that he's looking for.
- Tomahawk

That’s a high cost. Tk and farabee would be straight up no.

I’m sure this has been discussed but bsh is saying that Nashville scouts were at the phantoms game.

This is what I don't understand, why is York a non-starter? he is not even the best defenseman for his college team right now. Why do we have the mentality that every single player the Flyers draft is going to be a superstar that we absolutely can't part with?


- jd250

You are ridiculously hung up on superstar or elite players. Teams aren't made up of superstars and elite players. They're made up of hopefully a lot of good players. York has a chance to be a 2nd pair two way defenseman for a decade for the Flyers. Ekholm will be a stop gap.

And this argument that the Flyers have a good record if you take out the Bruins games ... well I hate to break it to you, you CAN'T take out the Bruins games and still be living in reality. The bottom line is the road to the cup is going through Boston whether you like it or not, and the Flyers need to do everything they can to become a team that can beat Boston in a 7 game series, and right now its clear that they are not that team.
- jd250

Ekholm makes them that team?

Stating that acquiring Ekholm would make York less valuable in any term, makes zero sense. I'll add that comment to the list.
- MJL

Imo. Young promising dman like York are the most valuable assets around. Look how hard of a time the leafs have had drafting and or acquiring these stud dmen. Could you imagine what provy would get on the open market? That’s why I laughed when I’ve heard leafs fans say like frost and provy for nylander and a 5th. Cmon. As well, sanheim Myers even Current version of ghost are worth a lot.

Ask pitt if they’d like to have some of those guys.

I’ve got to take some time to see whos ufa this offseason for rh dman.

That or a trade at the draft for that top pairing Right handed dman Is what I’d prefer. Gonna be a kings ransom, but we need it.

Ekholm is a lefty but does he play left or right d?
- Hextall271

Handedness gets overblown imo.

Handedness gets overblown imo.
- login

We’ve had times when we’ve almost exclusively had lefties playing the right side and teams have exploited this. I remember Bill talking about this for I think it was the pitt series in 2018. I also think that’s why you saw fletch good out and get braun and nisky last year in order to balance that out. It’s not everything but it matters.

Imo. Young promising dman like York are the most valuable assets around. Look how hard of a time the leafs have had drafting and or acquiring these stud dmen. Could you imagine what provy would get on the open market? That’s why I laughed when I’ve heard leafs fans say like frost and provy for nylander and a 5th. Cmon. As well, sanheim Myers even Current version of ghost are worth a lot.

Ask pitt if they’d like to have some of those guys.
- Hextall271

In my opinion you don't trade top flight prospects for a player like Ekholm. He's not a top pairing defender. He won't significantly elevate the team.

The reason I say this is that a young strong dman that has shown great potential (ie U20) is worth their eight in gold. If he pans out into being a top four, that’s huge.

I’d be interested, But not at sending out a package which would be an overpay. We have to stay the course with keeping those picks and prospects until we really think it’s go time to contend. I don’t want them to take a shot for 2 years I want it to be a longer window. You need to hold on to picks etc to do that

I still don’t see us being a contender just yet.
- Hextall271

The Flyers will not be a contender until they acquire another defenseman, that's for sure. I was of the opinion when the season started that the Flyers forward group was not good enough, but I have to say my opinion in that regard is starting to change with the emergence of Farabee and the depth I am seeing from all 4 lines. I really think if the Flyers can actually stay healthy up front and they can acquire Ekholm to solidy their top 4 and Hart can regain his form, the Flyers will have a good chance to take another step forward this year, maybe even come out of the division.

The Flyers will not be a contender until they acquire another defenseman, that's for sure. I was of the opinion when the season started that the Flyers forward group was not good enough, but I have to say my opinion in that regard is starting to change with the emergence of Farabee and the depth I am seeing from all 4 lines. I really think if the Flyers can actually stay healthy up front and they can acquire Ekholm to solidy their top 4 and hart can regain his form, the Flyers will have a good chance to take another step forward this year, maybe even come out of the division.
- jd250

Is acquiring players the only way to build a defense? Are you saying that they can't get better on the back end without making a trade?

Does acquiring Ekholm put the Flyers on par with TB, Colorado, Vegas, and Boston?

There's a wide gamut between doing nothing and going all in for a 2nd-pair dman.

Niskanen didn't cost an arm and a leg, for example.
- Tomahawk

And from what I am reading, Ekholm will not cost an arm and a leg either, but he will cost something, any good player will.

The Flyers will not be a contender until they acquire another defenseman, that's for sure. I was of the opinion when the season started that the Flyers forward group was not good enough, but I have to say my opinion in that regard is starting to change with the emergence of Farabee and the depth I am seeing from all 4 lines. I really think if the Flyers can actually stay healthy up front and they can acquire Ekholm to solidy their top 4 and Hart can regain his form, the Flyers will have a good chance to take another step forward this year, maybe even come out of the division.
- jd250

The tough thing about this year is the short run way. So far this team has not proven we should go after ekholm, the price is probably too rich. I’d like to point out that there will most likely be deals to be had after the expansion draft , we can acquire a defenseman then as well.

Poile needs NHL-ready young forward talent. TK, NP, Oskar. Farabee will be the kinds of players that he's looking for.
- Tomahawk

I promise you no team will give Nashville the equivalent of a player like TK or Farabee. Otherwise they would fill one hole by creating another hole someplace else. I would consider Patrick however to be honest.

And from what I am reading, Ekholm will not cost an arm and a leg either, but he will cost something, any good player will.
- jd250

You’re losing out on not only what you trade but then knocking down another player in expansion.

And from what I am reading, Ekholm will not cost an arm and a leg either, but he will cost something, any good player will.
- jd250

If Ekholm won't cost an arm and a leg then why did you propose giving up an arm and a leg for him in a trade proposal? You state that you know hockey very well.