Not keen on trading Robertson or Sandin to bring in scorers that are not bargains. I don't see Nashville as a good trading partner for the Leafs. Keep the young cheap talent. I can see the Leafs scooping up a player like Corey Perry if Habs are out of it at the TDL.
- winsix

I just cheer for the sweater, I don’t really try and pretend I can make a trade. 🤣

I wouldn’t trade Andersen for a pick with Campbell just coming off injury and not sure if he’s as good or not yet.

Yup and people think that they would be married to Forsberg...they can flip him after this year if they wanted.

Plenty of options but they also don’t need to have a full set plan for next year right now. They can think this year.
- Santo_44

If the cost to get Forsberg is high, why would you move him in the offseason?

If the cost to get Forsberg is high, why would you move him in the offseason?
- PatC80

I wouldn’t but it’s an option.

People are saying if they trade him they have to trade Nylander in the offseason which is totally untrue. There are plenty of options after seeing what unfolds in the playoffs.

And trading Forsberg would be one of them.

Any trades, this year in particular, are tough to gauge. With the cap being flat, there are very few teams that could even go for Forsberg without either seeking cap retention (and frequently cap retention that persists beyond the current year isn't particularly palatable; especially not if the cap is staying flat and the retention requested is more than $2m -- frankly the $1.2m that we have retained for Kessel has proven to be a pain in the backside) or trading back salary that the Preds would either swallow or try to additionally flip.

The teams with the best cap situations right now: Carolina, Boston, Columbus,
Edmonton and St. Louis (the former three would be leveraging LTIR).

The teams with the best propsect capital: Carolina & Colorado; Boston, St. Louis, Columbus and Edmonton all have pretty depleted or poor prospect capital.

Montreal is tight to the cap, but they could get into a Forsberg trade if they wanted to try and leverage Tatar as a flip and then include one of their good young prospects (doubtfully Caulfield or Romanov, but maybe Guhle, Primeau or Mysak) as keys to a deal.

The Leafs would have to compete similarly - but I think as soon as they enter into the conversation about salary retention, Nashville will find better offers.
- Monkeypunk

right and I dont know how the cap works with the taxi squad, all the leafs injuries etc..I am making several assumptions.

Also I assume if a team like he Leafs need Nashville to retain salary to make it work, of course the price will go up.

I wouldn’t but it’s an option.

People are saying if they trade him they have to trade Nylander in the offseason which is totally untrue. There are plenty of options after seeing what unfolds in the playoffs.

And trading Forsberg would be one of them.
- Santo_44

Maybe it would be an off-season trade..

As far as cap hits go, what could we move that would interest Nashville? IMO, the only option is Nylander... Which I wouldn't do.

no fair.. You paid off the voters
- PatC80

mail in ballots

not sure why it would cost Willy.
If they are going to rebuild/retool and trade ekholm, Forsberg etc... i think they would want futures.

similar to Mark Stone
- senstroll

cap wise or if you can move other pieces to make Forsberg cap hit fit

Probably, yes, maybe
- Canada Cup

Frank off, retired Boomer.









Yeah, I'm jealous.

If the cost to get Forsberg is high, why would you move him in the offseason?
- PatC80

None of us know what the Preds are willing to do or what other teams are will to offer

But

If we can get him $ wise for Kerfoot’s salary plus Nashville retaining the difference and then we add picks and prospects to sweeten, then I’m for it. I just don’t know why they would do that.

It has to cap neutral for us unless we’re prepared to walk away from one of Andersen, Rielly or Hyman.

cap wise or if you can move other pieces to make Forsberg cap hit fit
- dmnted

You'd have to move 2/3 other pieces to get the caphits to line up... Thats to much of an earthquake to the team for me.

Plus I don't see Nashville being interested in a Kerfoot/Dermott/Engvall type package, which means a Sandin or Robertson becomes the draw.

Seems like trouble to me.

None of us know what the Preds are willing to do or what other teams are will to offer

But

If we can get him $ wise for Kerfoot’s salary plus Nashville retaining the difference and then we add picks and prospects to sweeten, then I’m for it. I just don’t know what they would do that.

It has to cap neutral for us unless we’re prepared to walk away from one of Andersen, Rielly or Hyman.
- Canada Cup

That was sort of my point above. In order to get Forsberg and get Nashville to retain and fit him under our cap, we'd need to move out Kerfoot. Then we probably move out one our prized prospects in Robertson or Sandin and a 1st and maybe a lower prospect in the pool.

If I was paying that price, I wouldn't be flipping him in the summer unless I can fill my pool back up similarly to what I just lost from it. Not to mention, you make a hockey trade to get Forsberg, you probably want the 1+ years to give them time to gel together.

But when I weigh that from Nashville's perspective, and how much other teams might want to jump in on Forsberg - there are other teams much better positioned than we are that wouldn't require salary retention.

Not keen on trading Robertson or Sandin to bring in scorers that are not bargains. I don't see Nashville as a good trading partner for the Leafs. Keep the young cheap talent. I can see the Leafs scooping up a player like Corey Perry if Habs are out of it at the TDL.
- winsix

I'm the first guy to point out that Robertson is an unproven commodity at this point, but the way our forwards' salaries are structured, we simply can't trade him.

He needs to play for the next three years at ELC prices, and we hope that he works out well.

None of us know what the Preds are willing to do or what other teams are will to offer

But

If we can get him $ wise for Kerfoot’s salary plus Nashville retaining the difference and then we add picks and prospects to sweeten, then I’m for it. I just don’t know why they would do that.

It has to cap neutral for us unless we’re prepared to walk away from one of Andersen, Rielly or Hyman.
- Canada Cup

We've got no idea if Nashville wants to go "scorched earth." Do the Preds want to re-tool or rebuild? They could be looking for a hockey trade and not picks/prospects.. The only way I see the Leafs getting Forsberg is if it involves Nylander.

We've got no idea if Nashville wants to go "scorched earth." Do the Preds want to re-tool or rebuild? They could be looking for a hockey trade and not picks/prospects.. The only way I see the Leafs getting Forsberg is if it involves Nylander.
- PatC80

They can't do either thanks to the two headed monster.

We've got no idea if Nashville wants to go "scorched earth." Do the Preds want to re-tool or rebuild? They could be looking for a hockey trade and not picks/prospects.. The only way I see the Leafs getting Forsberg is if it involves Nylander.
- PatC80

They are one game below .500. They aren't exactly lighting up the league in a lot of projectable play stats, but I guess you never know. They have a LOT of underperforming players.

The writing is on the wall, *I* think.

That said, Matt Duchene makes $8m / year for 5 years after this one, and he's 30. He has 3 goals in 21 games and is -6 at 5v5 play. Johansen is probably marketable; he's 28 and has 4 more years @ $8m - although his 0 goals may have something to say about his marketability.

Right _now_ just about everyone on Nashville would be worth pennies on the dollar; they might be better off selling off their UFAs (Haula, Granlund and Rinne (who Friedman declared untouchable for some odd reason)) and hoping they play a bit better at some point.

The Athletic's daily odds has Campbell getting the start.

Is this official?

Almost official?

Not keen on trading Robertson or Sandin to bring in scorers that are not bargains. I don't see Nashville as a good trading partner for the Leafs. Keep the young cheap talent. I can see the Leafs scooping up a player like Corey Perry if Habs are out of it at the TDL.
- winsix

Nylander, Sandin to Rangers


Lemeiux, K Miller, Buchnevich

They are one game below .500. They aren't exactly lighting up the league in a lot of projectable play stats, but I guess you never know. They have a LOT of underperforming players.

The writing is on the wall, *I* think.

That said, Matt Duchene makes $8m / year for 5 years after this one, and he's 30. He has 3 goals in 21 games and is -6 at 5v5 play. Johansen is probably marketable; he's 28 and has 4 more years @ $8m - although his 0 goals may have something to say about his marketability.

Right _now_ just about everyone on Nashville would be worth pennies on the dollar; they might be better off selling off their UFAs (Haula, Granlund and Rinne (who Friedman declared untouchable for some odd reason)) and hoping they play a bit better at some point.
- Monkeypunk

Oh boy.

They shouldn’t make the same mistake the Leafs made...trade your players when you are a bad team. They will keep underperforming and only get worse in value.

We've got no idea if Nashville wants to go "scorched earth." Do the Preds want to re-tool or rebuild? They could be looking for a hockey trade and not picks/prospects.. The only way I see the Leafs getting Forsberg is if it involves Nylander.
- PatC80

NSH is trading these players because they are bad. This is not a hockey trade scenario.

What is this list? Sausage party invitees? Send me a link to web cam.

- Fakepartofme

I don't know what this list is either but any list without Max must be a good one.

NSH is trading these players because they are bad. This is not a hockey trade scenario.
- Santo_44

We don't know the mentality in their front office. *WE* see Nashville as being a team that should be entering into a rebuild. They may see themselves requiring a retool on the fly (like Anaheim has been doing so unsuccessfully - Brian Burke has notably complimented their approach, on a side note). It will change their process and approach, obviously.

As for my previous comment, if they commit to a rebuild, then they need to move out the assets that can bring value - but right now, I don't think Johansen or Duchene are bringing in much value. If you want to trade them to just get rid of them, that's a different story. If you're seeking a return of assets or picks, I'm sincerely not sure what the market is for either of them.

We don't know the mentality in their front office. *WE* see Nashville as being a team that should be entering into a rebuild. They may see themselves requiring a retool on the fly (like Anaheim has been doing so unsuccessfully - Brian Burke has notably complimented their approach, on a side note). It will change their process and approach, obviously.

As for my previous comment, if they commit to a rebuild, then they need to move out the assets that can bring value - but right now, I don't think Johansen or Duchene are bringing in much value. If you want to trade them to just get rid of them, that's a different story. If you're seeking a return of assets or picks, I'm sincerely not sure what the market is for either of them.
- Monkeypunk

I don't the owners would like 2 guys making 16 million with limited goals.

I don't think Duchene gets you much but if you can free up salary in a flat cap world then sure, why not?

I am confused with the ranking system. On first blush it appears heavily influenced by how well you value Korpisalo. Failing to value Korpisalo has resulted in a net negative value for the gull. Yet Mr. Sir values Korpisalo very highly and does not crack the list at all.

There is a circular refernece problem, a division by zero error, or Mr. Sir's other non-Korpisalo opinions are so bad as to render his position on even Korpisalo invalid.

This type of logic problem is how Taylor ended up being traded.
- Monkeypunk

🤨

Perhaps a name change is in order?

Mr. Drrrrr
Mr. Derp
Mr. Slur
Mrs. Sir
Mr. Turd

Suggestions?

I don't the owners would like 2 guys making 16 million with limited goals.

I don't think Duchene gets you much but if you can free up salary in a flat cap world then sure, why not?
- Aaron_85

Sure. But think of a trade that works? For instance what comes to my mind is something like . . . Parise who has $7.5m / year, is 35, and expires one year earlier. Or . . . maybe a bad contract that expires sooner where the trading team is willing to take on the long-term risk - like Yandle (playing decently so far this year), Lucic, Neal or even a potential perma-LTIR like Seabrook.

Like cap dump for cap dump, but one of the teams is shedding salary and the other is competitive and taking a flyer for dead salary already on their roster.

Sure. But think of a trade that works? For instance what comes to my mind is something like . . . Parise who has $7.5m / year, is 35, and expires one year earlier. Or . . . maybe a bad contract that expires sooner where the trading team is willing to take on the long-term risk - like Yandle (playing decently so far this year), Lucic, Neal or even a potential perma-LTIR like Seabrook.

Like cap dump for cap dump, but one of the teams is shedding salary and the other is competitive and taking a flyer for dead salary already on their roster.
- Monkeypunk

Maybe. It depends. I personally wouldn't move Forsberg if I were Nashville but I'd be looking at expiring contracts and seeing if they fit long term. If not, I'd be getting whatever I can get. Middling picks or prospects sometimes work out.

Leafs gave up nothing for Hyman. I just checked it was McKegg. Deals can be had!