He is that bad; stats and the eye test verify this. As I said in my post there is always a GM out there who thinks differently about players despite what the stats say. poopty players get traded all the time do they not? Dont trade him then waive him.
I didnt say sit NAK either. I said he is replaceable. They would be a better team with Friedman as his small sample size shows this to be the case. - login
You said you would sit NAK for bunnaman as his replacement.
Two gm s and three different coaches. How many more NAK games did Friedman get over Haag. But but he is better?
There would no little drop off, in other words no significant diff replacing NAK with bunneman.
Great analogy with the Giroux /Morin swap out. - login
Well your the one that said skill doesn’t matter. The point was that players are replaceable. But only in the context in which you specifically point out.
Well your the one that said skill doesn’t matter. The point was that players are replaceable. But only in the context in which you specifically point out. - Peter Richards
You really are a dope. Comparing replacing NAK with Bunnemen and Giroux with Morin.
I don’t think you have the ability to track all the dumb antagonistic statements you make everyday. - Peter Richards
One simple question for you Holmes. Will replacing NAK with Bunneman alter where the Flyers ultimately finish at the end of the year? Yes or no? If yes please elaborate.
Last night, as he did in practice on Tuesday, Vigneault moved Nolan Patrick from third line center to play right wing on a line with Giroux and Kevin Hayes. I thought Patrick played a solid two-way first period, including a pair of shot attempts and a couple of nice plays he made with the puck. His off-puck work the rest of the night remained solid (as it usually is) but he was scarcely involved offensively again over the final 40 minutes.
-Bmeltzer
Thank you Bill! This is interesting, because apparently to some I missed just how awesome Patrick was last night. I missed what I HUGE step forward he took , because I don't know what I am looking at, and I am continually wrong in my comments, opinions and assessments. I'm glad Bill at least you and I were watching the same game last night, and that you are watching the same player I have been watching over 2+ seasons. I guess some of us were playing with their light sabers instead.
I partially agree. Patience is still in order for sure. But Patrick had prolonged stretches like these, too, in his first and second seasons. Then he'd got hot for 10 games (rookie year) to 14 games (second year) before regressing to being a little too uninvolved offensively. I think he slips into a comfort zone -- play well defensively, do no harm offensively but stay on the perimeter unless there's a gaping lane to the scoring areas -- that he needs to push himself out of a little more. He's not even attempting to shoot nearly enough, for one thing. If it gets blocked or misses the net, shoot again the next time you think there's a lane. And be more assertive in making plays, like he did in training camp. Don't wait for the D to make a mistake; MAKE them make mistakes. - bmeltzer
Coming out the draft, the warning signs were there. Patrick was said to be a pass first player more concerned with setting up his teammates than taking initiative. He was also injury prone and had below average skating (his words, not mine). Unfortunately this is not something you can teach, you either have these attributes or you don't.
I’m not sure who the call up would be. I’ve seen a push from those that watch Phantoms games that it should be Wisdom. It would be hard to argue against it based on who can help the Flyers most right now.
Other options are moving NAK up, but for me, he isn’t shooting enough and his forecheck skills help balance the 4th line. Also possibly Sandin, Kase, Twarynski or Sushko.
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Joe Thornton as a rookie had 3 goals and 7 points in 55 games. Then 41 points his second year. Became an impact player in year three (60 points) and a point-per-game player in year four. - bmeltzer
Thornton's production was particularly bad in his first year b/c Burns made him pay his dues as a 4th-liner. Once his ice time shot up, his production followed suit.
A better example might be Olli Jokinen (coincidentally from that same draft year). 3rd-overall, didn't break 30pts until his 5th full season. Then went on a tear in his mid-late 20's. He bounced around a bit between some really bad teams, so that must have been a factor.
You have to dig pretty hard to find these kinds of examples tho. Most top draft picks who go on to be impact players show scoring pretty quickly.
Thank you Bill! This is interesting, because apparently to some I missed just how awesome Patrick was last night. I missed what I HUGE step forward he took , because I don't know what I am looking at, and I am continually wrong in my comments, opinions and assessments. I'm glad Bill at least you and I were watching the same game last night, and that you are watching the same player I have been watching over 2+ seasons. I guess some of us were playing with their light sabers instead. - jd250
Hyperbole is not going to help your case. You're just continuing to babble. I disagree with Bill that Patrick dropped off after the first period. Patrick did some good things throughout the game and his play in the game was a positive step forward.
Thornton's production was particularly bad in his first year b/c Burns made him pay his dues as a 4th-liner. Once his ice time shot up, his production followed suit.
A better example might be Olli Jokinen (coincidentally from that same draft year). 3rd-overall, didn't break 30pts until his 5th full season. Then went on a tear in his mid-late 20's. He bounced around a bit between some really bad teams, so that was a factor.
You dig pretty hard to find these kinds of examples tho. Most top draft picks who go on to be impact players start scoring show scoring pretty quickly. - Tomahawk
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Did you read this Saber guy?
