Desperation, Patrick is not working out.
- jd250

It's not desperation.

York is not two years away. It's very possible that York could be in the NHL next season.

How do you know that Ekholm can play the right side?
- MJL

It is also very possible that he is 2 years away.

Flyers can easily make the cap space to acquire Ekholm. Have to understand the cap picture and why it is what it is currently versus once players come off the Covid list what it will be.

I'm curious what you think about that hypothetical cost. After all you were willing to give up York, two prospects and a roster player.
- MJL

According to the Athletic Ekholm's cost may not be as high as I thought. If true all the more reason for the Flyers to jump on him.

I'm curious, you don't seem to be high on Ekholm and seem to be quite positive he will not be as good of a player for the Flyers as I think he will be. I have listed all the reasons why I want Ekholm on the Flyers. Please tell me why you don't think he will work out, beyond the fact that you don't want to pay the cost for him given the ED coming up.

I appreciate that, however I am not sure being "on the fence" is really a bad thing. It simply means you are not sure and need more info before you can have a feeling one way or the other, and that is exactly where I was at the start of this season. Farabee's play this season has caused me to lean towards seeing his potential as a top 6 forward, but ... and there is always a but, this season has a long way to go. But so far, Farabee is one of the bright spots in an otherwise poor season.
- jd250

There's nothing wrong with being on the fence about a player. The problem is that all the signs were there and you didn't see them. Similar to your post that the young players are what they are. It's quite clear that you simply don't have the ability to accurately assess players. Including with established players like Ekholm.

It's not desperation.
- MJL

I know, it was a joke. Here I will add the laughing guy.

There's nothing wrong with being on the fence about a player. The problem is that all the signs were there and you didn't see them. Similar to your post that the young players are what they are. It's quite clear that you simply don't have the ability to accurately assess players. Including with established players like Ekholm.
- MJL

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you, the signs were not there from Farabee last year, at least not enough for me to be off the fence.

I will hold you to that about York, he is not having a great season so far at Michigan, and I think he will need more time. I am still high on him though. And regarding Ekholm, the Flyers will figure it out.
- jd250

You dodged the question. You keep harping on the Flyers acquiring Ekholm and that he should play with Provorov. How can you not know if he can play the right side.

There's nothing wrong with being on the fence about a player. The problem is that all the signs were there and you didn't see them. Similar to your post that the young players are what they are. It's quite clear that you simply don't have the ability to accurately assess players. Including with established players like Ekholm.
- MJL

But you do .. of course Are you really Hextall incognito?

Time to try something else...sounded like AV mentioned him playing with Hayes could help. Also Patrick has done better playing with Giroux.

So...
Giroux - Hayes - Patrick

Has potential.
- NC Flyers Fan

I guess. Better quality linemates can’t hurt. I don’t remember Patrick playing any wing before.

I guess. Better quality linemates can’t hurt. I don’t remember Patrick playing any wing before.
- Dkos

Like that matters to this coaching staff!!! They think Morin is an NHL winger.

According to the Athletic Ekholm's cost may not be as high as I thought. If true all the more reason for the Flyers to jump on him.

I'm curious, you don't seem to be high on Ekholm and seem to be quite positive he will not be as good of a player for the Flyers as I think he will be. I have listed all the reasons why I want Ekholm on the Flyers. Please tell me why you don't think he will work out, beyond the fact that you don't want to pay the cost for him given the ED coming up.
- jd250

What's the definition of working out? Does Ekholm upgrade the Flyers defense? Absolutely he does. However he is not the player you think he is. He is a high end 2nd pair defenseman who is a solid penalty killer. All adding him alone does is make the Flyers a better 2nd tier team. He does not elevate the Flyers to contender status. You simply can't ignore the expansion draft and the added cost to the deal. You don't even know if he can play the right side to be able to play with Provorov. Shows that you really don't know much about him.

Combine this with your previous absurd trade proposal for Eckholm just adds to the long, long list of uninformed posts you've made.

I know, it was a joke. Here I will add the laughing guy.
- jd250

No it wasn't a joke and you know it.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you, the signs were not there from Farabee last year, at least not enough for me to be off the fence.
- jd250

Yes, they absolutely were. You're just incapable of seeing it. The signs were there to the point where towards the end of the year, the GM stated that he bets that Farabee doesn't have 8 goals this time next year. Now we see Farabee matching last years goal total in only 15 games.

But you do .. of course Are you really Hextall incognito?
- jd250

Compared to you, yes I do.

Yes, they absolutely were. You're just incapable of seeing it. The signs were there to the point where towards the end of the year, the GM stated that he bets that Farabee doesn't have 8 goals this time next year. Now we see Farabee matching last years goal total in only 15 games.
- MJL

He was really going out on a limb with that prediction.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you, the signs were not there from Farabee last year, at least not enough for me to be off the fence.
- jd250

Not to be rude but, yes, the signs were definitely there. I remember those off sides goals and how very close he was, so many great chances. He just needed a little time.

So, what’s the general feeling around here about Patrick being moved to wing?
- Dkos

Right Wing was still too close to the ice... He has nothing to offer... All risk and no reward... Should def be exposed, but I think his softness, head problems, and lack of heart will keep Seattle away from him. Let him walk next year or sooner if he will.

As I've stated many times before, he played soft before his head problems, you think he's gonna give more after? He's just trying to milk this (for the pay) as long as he can, and most still think he will be a hockey player one day... Not me. open up the spot for a youngin'

Then of course...rudeness itself saunters by...

York is not two years away. It's very possible that York could be in the NHL next season.

How do you know that Ekholm can play the right side?
- MJL

He has played the right side and his numbers were decent but I don’t think it was a large sample

I'm sorry, I don't agree with you, the signs were not there from Farabee last year, at least not enough for me to be off the fence.
- jd250

Kid had a solid first season after coming off a really good college season. His skill set was described by scouts and his play in college. His play last year you could see that skill set. The next test was the off-season and he added good weight and came ready this season. It is your definition of on or off the fence and your opinion, my opinion would be there were plenty of indications that he would step forward as he has.

What's the definition of working out? Does Ekholm upgrade the Flyers defense? Absolutely he does. However he is not the player you think he is. He is a high end 2nd pair defenseman who is a solid penalty killer. All adding him alone does is make the Flyers a better 2nd tier team. He does not elevate the Flyers to contender status. You simply can't ignore the expansion draft and the added cost to the deal. You don't even know if he can play the right side to be able to play with Provorov. Shows that you really don't know much about him.

Combine this with your previous absurd trade proposal for Eckholm just adds to the long, long list of uninformed posts you've made.
- MJL

But will any of the current players in the system take the flyers to contender? I think with an 82 schedule you might have seen a couple players dramatically improve. I don’t think we see that with this covid crap. Yeah Farabee but you’ll have others in the shortened, covid season seem to regress, maybe not enough season to recover and step forward. That’s leads us to the off-season where if I was a betting man the Flyers will make moves to go for it next season. So could Ekholm be step one? He can play the right side and I think he has the aptitude to be good on the right side. He brings the snarl this D could use, plus O instincts and skating and size. If that is one part the other is getting a player on the O that can put the puck in and game changer, like Panarin. Just writing this you can tell how difficult all that will be. Ekholm would be the easy part, he is a player and they have the assets, you could sacrifice a patty or lindblom in expansion, IF you had a plan to find that game changer upfront. In my opinion it’s all about next season. A GM has a shelf life, Fletcher knows this, he will go for it next season, giving him a 2-3 year window to win as a GM

What's the definition of working out? Does Ekholm upgrade the Flyers defense? Absolutely he does. However he is not the player you think he is. He is a high end 2nd pair defenseman who is a solid penalty killer. All adding him alone does is make the Flyers a better 2nd tier team. He does not elevate the Flyers to contender status. You simply can't ignore the expansion draft and the added cost to the deal. You don't even know if he can play the right side to be able to play with Provorov. Shows that you really don't know much about him.

Combine this with your previous absurd trade proposal for Eckholm just adds to the long, long list of uninformed posts you've made.
- MJL

So you just contradicted yourself which is par for the course. You just admitted Ekholm does upgrade the Flyers defense and that he is a solid penalty killer which is exactly what the Flyers need. I never said Ekholm alone makes the Flyers a contender, but its a step in the right direction.

And I say to hell with the ED, its should not be used as an excuse to not do anything this season to upgrade this team now if a good player like Ekholm becomes available. We only can lose one player in the ED, and if obtaining means that player is Lindblom or Patrick, so be it. Ekholm makes the Flyers much better than Patrick or Lindblom ever could.

And finally, when it comes to hockey I do know my stuff, quite well actually. All you know how to do is criticize others, yet you offer no solutions or arguments other than "you are wrong and don't know much". Grow a pair and make a suggestion to

So you just contradicted yourself which is par for the course. You just admitted Ekholm does upgrade the Flyers defense and that he is a solid penalty killer which is exactly what the Flyers need. I never said Ekholm alone makes the Flyers a contender, but its a step in the right direction.


- jd250

There is no contradiction. That's more stupidity on your part. My objection to adding Ekholm was never about him as a player or that he would not improve the team's defense. It's about the cost to obtain him overall relative to how much he elevates the team. My objections to your opinions on Ekholm was one, the player is not who you think he is, and secondly, your absurd trade proposal.

And I say to hell with the ED, its should not be used as an excuse to not do anything this season to upgrade this team now if a good player like Ekholm becomes available. We only can lose one player in the ED, and if obtaining means that player is Lindblom or Patrick, so be it. Ekholm makes the Flyers much better than Patrick or Lindblom ever could.


- jd250

This is poorly thought out. You don't make a bad trade and overpay for a player just because you think it might improve the team. How much does it improve the team? That's the point that you miss.

And finally, when it comes to hockey I do know my stuff, quite well actually. All you know how to do is criticize others, yet you offer no solutions or arguments other than "you are wrong and don't know much". Grow a pair and make a suggestion to
- jd250

The evidence of your posts says otherwise. For example, your absurd trade suggestion for Ekholm. One in a long, long list of uninformed posts. Actually when I post in disagreement to a post, I give detail on why I disagree. Same thing I've done here with the Ekholm situation.

It doesn't take a pair to read a blog post by Eklund and then have an opinion on if the Flyers should pursue a player.

He was really going out on a limb with that prediction.
- login

thank you!

Not to be rude but, yes, the signs were definitely there. I remember those off sides goals and how very close he was, so many great chances. He just needed a little time.
- NC Flyers Fan

yes, OK, so that is why I stated I was on the fence, because I saw some glimpses but wanted to see more. I am happy in what I have seen so far from Farabee, and moving forward I want to see him generating more shots from key areas in the o-zone. I really don't understand why this is such a big deal. What is wrong with wanting to see a player for more games before you pass judgement on them? Its not like I have said he sucks or a bust, like I have with Patrick.