Just did points/60 at 5v5 and he's 39th. So pretty clear from both that he's a top line offensive player at 5v5 hockey. Factor in his PP skills and he's an offensively gifted top line winger. No doubt.

Does he have warts ...ya of course. Love to see more urgency and compete but guys like this have existed and succeeded in the NHL forever ..and will forever.

Would I rather have Brady Tkachuk ...ya, but so would Calgary.

So the constant narrative of what he is and who he should be traded for is (frank)ing a waste of time and space. If Dubas was offered a similarly talented offensive player who also brought those other attributes he'd make that trade faster than you and AA could embrace in a rub and hug.
- The Law

Time maybe, but space?

Cool to see everyone out with their predetermined fall guys for a team collapse. Plenty of blame to go around which means everyone is right. A happy day in Leaf land
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The passion that unites us all

Cool to see everyone out with their predetermined fall guys for a team collapse. Plenty of blame to go around which means everyone is right. A happy day in Leaf land
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So far Willy and Rielly are being traded.

Cool to see everyone out with their predetermined fall guys for a team collapse. Plenty of blame to go around which means everyone is right. A happy day in Leaf land
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always like that, team wins 5-6 in a row, stanley cup discussions, teams loses a few to fierce rivals, mood changes to let's trade everybody, they all suck

You are right......
At 5m/year I should not
- mr.sir

Dermott is a fringe NHL'er..

Rielly is on a potential HOF trajectory.

So far Willy and Rielly are being traded.
- gergeswillems

To be fair..... those are the two I suggested we trade last week. Last night just reinforces that decision

Dermott is a fringe NHL'er..

Rielly is on a potential HOF trajectory.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Dermott was great again last night(700k)

People are blinded by cornrows and speedos

HoF 😆

always like that, team wins 5-6 in a row, stanley cup discussions, teams loses a few to fierce rivals, mood changes to let's trade everybody, they all suck
- Symba007

to be faaaaaair, ive been saying trade Willy the entire time. He's been brutal even during the winning streak.

Dermott is a fringe NHL'er..

Rielly is on a potential HOF trajectory.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He is?

It's also a strange comparison from a data perspective. It deliberately incorporates the worst year of a player's performance which involved a hold-out, missed training camp and so on. Do we all know that he failed to show up in game shape? Yes. I still think that was unprofessional, and is always a consideration about his character when you watch him take shifts off. I think he probably is, at his core, a lazy player and will always require a lot of a coach's attention to motivate. But this character evaluation is not equivalent to a data comparison, and the data unfairly influences a data comparison by including that year.

If you take the last three years, though, and look at GF/60 at 5v5, there's a whole bunch of other garbage players who are lower in GF/60 like Malkin, Evander Kane, Eichel, Laine, Landeskog, Crosby, Scheifele, Barzal, Kopitar, Rantanen, Sequin, Marner . . . you know, classic non-first liners. Fringe. Or crap, if you will. Not to mention Roope Hintz at 152 and our newly annointed first liner, Galchenyuk, sitting at 282 using this metric.
- Monkeypunk

yeah, head scratching post. and imo doesnt make the point he is trying to make.
kinda the opposite

Cool to see everyone out with their predetermined fall guys for a team collapse. Plenty of blame to go around which means everyone is right. A happy day in Leaf land
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Help me ...I don't have a default!

I've chosen to irrationally blame Bryant's wife for jinxing us by not making us all a delicious sandwich.

Time maybe, but space?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I've seen the future, so yes.

So far Willy and Rielly are being traded.
- gergeswillems

JT loses the C, Andersen traded for pickled herring, Dermott was traded two weeks ago. I don’t think Thornton is ever supposed to play in the first line. Engvall can’t score cause long neck.

Pietroangelo is the only one who seems safe.

Dermott is a fringe NHL'er..

Rielly is on a potential HOF trajectory.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Which hall of fame are we talking about here?

He is?
- gergeswillems

Yea should be close.

For sure if he wins a cup.

He is?
- gergeswillems

he meant head of family, all that (frank)ing Tessa will eventually pay off

Id like the Leafs to get Elias Lindholm

Id like the Leafs to get Elias Lindholm
- senstroll

That’s a Nylander/Lindholm swap if the Leafs ever implode and CGY is imploding at the same time

always like that, team wins 5-6 in a row, stanley cup discussions, teams loses a few to fierce rivals, mood changes to let's trade everybody, they all suck
- Symba007

It’s been like this all the way through. It’s just been tempered by inconvenient winning.

That’s a Nylander/Lindholm swap if the Leafs ever implode and CGY is imploding at the same time
- Santo_44

There's no way Calgary trades Lindholm imo.

His contract is amazing and he's very, very good.

can you tell me with the stats you are using for this where Matthews ranks?
- senstroll

Marner is 13th P/60 5v5 last three seasons; Matthews 14th. (Kucherov 1st, Panarin 2nd, McDavid 3rd)

Matthews is first G/60 5v5 last three seasons; next ones are Gallagher, Ovechkin, Vrana, Pastrnak.

There's no way Calgary trades Lindholm imo.
- Scabeh

Bennett has asked for a trade. Does Dubas not know this?

Yea should be close.

For sure if he wins a cup.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Can Brian Rafalski get in first? He won 3 Cups.

Marner is 13th P/60 5v5 last three seasons; Matthews 14th. (Kucherov 1st, Panarin 2nd, McDavid 3rd)

Matthews is first G/60 5v5 last three seasons; next ones are Gallagher, Ovechkin, Vrana, Pastrnak.
- MaximusAurelius

Can Brian Rafalski get in first? He won 3 Cups.
- gergeswillems

I mean, if Rod Langway is in then i dont see why not.