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Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Feb 16 @ 9:46 AM ET
Dahlin is sucking large this season.
- gergeswillems



The Buffalo effect. Eichel is the only one immune.
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Feb 16 @ 9:46 AM ET
😍
Miles 🪵 +

- mr.sir



Deal
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Feb 16 @ 9:46 AM ET
Depends on the return.... but we have
Muzzin
Dermott
Sandin
Lehtonen

Willing to listen

- mr.sir

That's alot of faith you're putting in Dermott, Sandin and Lehtonen. Rielly is too important to the Leafs to trade him.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 16 @ 9:46 AM ET
Dahlin is sucking large this season.
- gergeswillems

It’s like he hasn’t even gotten any points in February........ BUY LOW
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 16 @ 9:47 AM ET
Mirtle says he and most in the league think the winger is Granlund.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 16 @ 9:47 AM ET
just checked.
nylander is 81st in NHL 5v5 goals / 60 last three seasons. (minimum 25 games played)
the /60 avoids the half season issue.
that's a fringe 1st line FW.
EDIT: fringe 1st line FW considering his main strength should be scoring goals.

- MaximusAurelius


can you tell me with the stats you are using for this where Matthews ranks?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:47 AM ET
Leafs will be fine...and they are not trading the lady on her knees or The Strainer
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:47 AM ET
Nylander for Dahlin

Rielly for a top-6 forward who plays with an edge

- Steven_Seagull


What's so special about the warrior QR edge stick that you'd trade Rielly just so a player uses one?


Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:48 AM ET
That's alot of faith you're putting in Dermott, Sandin and Lehtonen. Rielly is too important to the Leafs to trade him.
- gergeswillems

agreed, they need to add high quality D's, not substract them.

Dubious knows this
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 16 @ 9:48 AM ET
That's alot of faith you're putting in Dermott, Sandin and Lehtonen. Rielly is too important to the Leafs to trade him.
- gergeswillems

Defensively speaking.....
I have more faith in Dermott and Sandin😳
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
Galchenyuk will be a top6 winger.
Move Nylander or Thornton to the #3C.

Galchenyuk - Matthews - Marner
Thornton - Tavares - Hyman

or

Hyman - Tavares - Nylander

or Hyman with Matthews and Marner, and Galchenyuk with Tavares.

- MaximusAurelius


Galchenyuk probably is not the answer...

He’s more of a gamble but with Vesey sucking and Engvall maybe getting plucked off waivers soon is cause for concern.

Just another piece.

But he is talented and there is a chance he regains some of that form he had 4 seasons ago.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Feb 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
Nylander for Dahlin

Rielly for a top-6 forward who plays with an edge

- Steven_Seagull

Its (frank)ing hilarious that you think Nylander is worth Dahlin
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
Its (frank)ing hilarious that you think Nylander is worth Dahlin
- Arctic_AARDVARK

he meant this guy



Habs might need to add a Carey price rookie card and a sophomore year Lehkonen card to even things out.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Feb 16 @ 9:51 AM ET
Defensively speaking.....
I have more faith in Dermott and Sandin😳

- mr.sir

Rielly? I mean REALLY?
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Feb 16 @ 9:51 AM ET
just checked.
nylander is 81st in NHL 5v5 goals / 60 last three seasons. (minimum 25 games played)
the /60 avoids the half season issue.
that's a fringe 1st line FW.
EDIT: fringe 1st line FW considering his main strength should be scoring goals.

- MaximusAurelius


Just did points/60 at 5v5 and he's 39th. So pretty clear from both that he's a top line offensive player at 5v5 hockey. Factor in his PP skills and he's an offensively gifted top line winger. No doubt.

Does he have warts ...ya of course. Love to see more urgency and compete but guys like this have existed and succeeded in the NHL forever ..and will forever.

Would I rather have Brady Tkachuk ...ya, but so would Calgary.

So the constant narrative of what he is and who he should be traded for is (frank)ing a waste of time and space. If Dubas was offered a similarly talented offensive player who also brought those other attributes he'd make that trade faster than you and AA could embrace in a rub and hug.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Feb 16 @ 9:51 AM ET
Defensively speaking.....
I have more faith in Dermott and Sandin😳

- mr.sir

You shouldnt.

gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Feb 16 @ 9:52 AM ET
can you tell me with the stats you are using for this where Matthews ranks?
- senstroll

Matthews ranks behind Faksa and Hintz.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 16 @ 9:52 AM ET
Rielly? I mean REALLY?
- gergeswillems

The Tessa effect😔
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Feb 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
The Tessa effect😔
- mr.sir

I can't fault him for this.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Feb 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Nylander plays on the 2nd line but produces like a 1st liner?
- senstroll


It's also a strange comparison from a data perspective. It deliberately incorporates the worst year of a player's performance which involved a hold-out, missed training camp and so on. Do we all know that he failed to show up in game shape? Yes. I still think that was unprofessional, and is always a consideration about his character when you watch him take shifts off. I think he probably is, at his core, a lazy player and will always require a lot of a coach's attention to motivate. But this character evaluation is not equivalent to a data comparison, and the data unfairly influences a data comparison by including that year.

If you take the last three years, though, and look at GF/60 at 5v5, there's a whole bunch of other garbage players who are lower in GF/60 like Malkin, Evander Kane, Eichel, Laine, Landeskog, Crosby, Scheifele, Barzal, Kopitar, Rantanen, Sequin, Marner . . . you know, classic non-first liners. Fringe. Or crap, if you will. Not to mention Roope Hintz at 152 and our newly annointed first liner, Galchenyuk, sitting at 282 using this metric.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Mirtle also says leafs have around 2M in salary to add right now by his calculations.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
The Tessa effect😔
- mr.sir

she is the new Lindsey Vonn, sucked him dry.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
You shouldnt.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

You are right......
At 5m/year I should not
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Feb 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
he meant this guy



Habs might need to add a Carey price rookie card and a sophomore year Lehkonen card to even things out.

- Symba007



Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 16 @ 9:55 AM ET

Cool to see everyone out with their predetermined fall guys for a team collapse. Plenty of blame to go around which means everyone is right. A happy day in Leaf land
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