there weren't a lot of people saying this.
- MaximusAurelius

Stop it, there were plenty.

Probably? Do you watch the games or even look at the stats?


Edit: why is take away bullpoop stat, but giveaway is vastly important?

Taking the puck away is kinda important? No?
- burn

"Must squeeze facts into repetitive small minded narrative".

"You're all crazy! I'm a victim!" "Whaaaa"

Pretty sure it was “you can’t win with him as your best player” and they were right. So he went on with his $8m/yr to play on the 3rd line of a pretty good team.



If we can bump Nylander to the 3rd line because of better fits in the top 6 we too will probably win the cup.

*eats a crayon after drawing parade route*

Ps. Set your lineup before 4pm and Boston / NJ postponed.


- annoyed

Lots were saying can't win with him, but then Pitts did....and he was their best player in their first cup win.


Dam it, I'll have to take a look I think I might have some of those guys. These ppd are killing me.

Lots were saying can't win with him, but then Pitts did....and he was their best player in their first cup win.
- burn

Playing 3rd line at $8m he better have some good #’s. He’s not Crosby or Malkin though. IMO

Like every player drafted and developed by the Leafs. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain...and then have great success elsewhere.
- AdamFrench

How Travis Dermott has navigated through the minefield of Leaf-fan-ire is beyond me.

He should be on everyone's lips as "the next to go" and yet he still seems to have a great many people wanting to hang on to him because: a) he's a magical "depth" piece that almost certainly can't be replaced by anyone else in the org -and/or- b) he still hasn't reached his mythical ceiling.



Well, folks, he's my El Guapo and he's got to go.

Lots were saying can't win with him, but then Pitts did....and he was their best player in their first cup win.


Dam it, I'll have to take a look I think I might have some of those guys. These ppd are killing me.
- burn

Correct - But:

Lots were saying can't win with him, but then Pitts did....and he was their best player in their first cup win.


Dam it, I'll have to take a look I think I might have some of those guys. These ppd are killing me.
- burn

Last week was brutal, I thought I was a step ahead and took out players for games I read were ppd and then they played and other teams lost games

Playing 3rd line at $8m he better have some good #’s. He’s not Crosby or Malkin though. IMO
- Garnie

Kessel should have won the Conn Smythe the first time he won the cup with Pittsburgh.

But yeah, Malkin and Crosby ARE better players, no doubt about it.

Correct - But:



- winsix

Lol

How Travis Dermott has navigated through the minefield of Leaf-fan-ire is beyond me.

He should be on everyone's lips as "the next to go" and yet he still seems to have a great many people wanting to hang on to him because: a) he's a magical "depth" piece that almost certainly can't be replaced by anyone else in the org -and/or- b) he still hasn't reached his mythical ceiling.



Well, folks, he's my El Guapo and he's got to go.
- mjones242

At his age and cost ...meh. He's doing alright on the 3rd pair and I'm ok giving him some rope to show what, if anything, he can be.

That said ...the expansion draft is approaching and the Leafs have to expose a D ...he's leading that list.

How Travis Dermott has navigated through the minefield of Leaf-fan-ire is beyond me.

He should be on everyone's lips as "the next to go" and yet he still seems to have a great many people wanting to hang on to him because: a) he's a magical "depth" piece that almost certainly can't be replaced by anyone else in the org -and/or- b) he still hasn't reached his mythical ceiling.



Well, folks, he's my El Guapo and he's got to go.
- mjones242

D take longer so why ship if we don’t need to, what’s wrong with Dermott? His underlying #’s are always pretty good. I couldn’t care either way but I think he’s ok and it gives Sandin more time.

How Travis Dermott has navigated through the minefield of Leaf-fan-ire is beyond me.

He should be on everyone's lips as "the next to go" and yet he still seems to have a great many people wanting to hang on to him because: a) he's a magical "depth" piece that almost certainly can't be replaced by anyone else in the org -and/or- b) he still hasn't reached his mythical ceiling.



Well, folks, he's my El Guapo and he's got to go.
- mjones242

Yeah. They could just give him to another team for all I care.

Kessel should have won the Conn Smythe the first time he won the cup with Pittsburgh.

But yeah, Malkin and Crosby ARE better players, no doubt about it.
- Scabeh

Yes, getting to come on the ice after the other teams 2 top lines and 4 best D leave should have and did give him an awesome opportunity. He still might be my favourite Leaf for shot release...Matthews may be about to take over though

The guy that Matthews doesn't know isn't playing tonight, only change is Thornton for petan

Kessel should have won the Conn Smythe the first time he won the cup with Pittsburgh.

But yeah, Malkin and Crosby ARE better players, no doubt about it.
- Scabeh

Nah... people point to Kessel having more points than Crosby but it was Sid that carried that team in uber-grinding fashion.

Kessel had 3 more points and 4 more goals but 0 of them were winners. Crosby had 3 winners whilst playing against the oppo's best checking lines. Far harder mins.

Definitely Conn Smythe-worthy. If anything, Matt Murray is the guy I think you could make a better case for as deserving (though I'd still give it to Sid).

Last week was brutal, I thought I was a step ahead and took out players for games I read were ppd and then they played and other teams lost games
- Garnie

Lol

D take longer so why ship if we don’t need to, what’s wrong with Dermott? His underlying #’s are always pretty good. I couldn’t care either way but I think he’s ok and it gives Sandin more time.
- Garnie

I like Dermott and Engvall

No need to trade away young cheap players who are still developing for minimal returns

Expansion draft puts a wrinkle into plans

D take longer so why ship if we don’t need to, what’s wrong with Dermott? His underlying #’s are always pretty good. I couldn’t care either way but I think he’s ok and it gives Sandin more time.
- Garnie

No mistakes and playing well, but he hasn't won a Norris and skated circles around the opposition so he sucks.

I like Dermott and Engvall

No need to trade away young cheap players who are still developing for minimal returns

Expansion draft puts a wrinkle into plans
- mr.sir

We’re sputtering along pretty good with zero training camp. I wouldn’t do too much right now unless someone folds and wants to throw us some awesome D for futures and a Dermott or Giraffe etc.

How Travis Dermott has navigated through the minefield of Leaf-fan-ire is beyond me.

He should be on everyone's lips as "the next to go" and yet he still seems to have a great many people wanting to hang on to him because: a) he's a magical "depth" piece that almost certainly can't be replaced by anyone else in the org -and/or- b) he still hasn't reached his mythical ceiling.



Well, folks, he's my El Guapo and he's got to go.
- mjones242

Just admit it...

Every time you hear his name, all you can think about are cornrows and yellow speedos

No mistakes and playing well, but he hasn't won a Norris and skated circles around the opposition so he sucks.
- burn

I get what some are saying, he reminds of a water bug a little bit but D always seem to be what we’re looking for...and C’s.

Just admit it...

Every time you hear his name, all you can think about are cornrows and yellow speedos
- mr.sir

I forgot about that.


Trade his ass.

Nah... people point to Kessel having more points than Crosby but it was Sid that carried that team in uber-grinding fashion.

Kessel had 3 more points and 4 more goals but 0 of them were winners. Crosby had 3 winners whilst playing against the oppo's best checking lines. Far harder mins.

Definitely Conn Smythe-worthy. If anything, Matt Murray is the guy I think you could make a better case for as deserving (though I'd still give it to Sid).
- mjones242

So Kessel scored more but he got "easier minutes" and his goals were "not as important"?

I'm sorry, I'm not buying this.

The idea for Pittsburgh was to have a star player on each line so the team would have to leave one open, which ended up being Kessel most of the time.

Guy produced more than anyone else in the playoffs. Yes he benefited from the team's strategy but that doesn't take anything away from him imo.

Giving it to Crosby was the easy choice and they went for it. Not that it was a terrible choice mind you, just thought Kessel deserved it more.

At his age and cost ...meh. He's doing alright on the 3rd pair and I'm ok giving him some rope to show what, if anything, he can be.

That said ...the expansion draft is approaching and the Leafs have to expose a D ...he's leading that list.
- The Law

He's his usual, mediocre-self. If he can be packaged up to bring in something the team is lacking, like a truculent truffle, I'd move him in a heartbeat.

It's how people defend him as a necessary piece instead of a barely replacement level 3rd pairing warm body that drives me.

Just admit it...

Every time you hear his name, all you can think about are cornrows and yellow speedos
- mr.sir

(frank)ing right.