I meant the rest of the top 6. Part of it is also the system and the forwards commitment to help in their neutral and defensive zone.
- Symba007

I think thats overstated tbh. The sens got to the conference finals with Ceci/Phaneuf playing big minutes


Could be the forwards, but not all the D are suffering from the same issues.
I get tougher mins...but if you are getting caved in most of the time, well maybe you are not a #1 and cant handle it

Rielly cf% - 45
Brodie cf% - 46

Rielly Goals 7-9
Brodie Goals 5-6

Rielly xgf% 40
Brodie xgf% 40


Muzzin cf% - 53
Holl cf% - 55

Muzzin Goals 7-5
Holl Goals 8-5

Muzzin xgf% 50
Holl xgf% 58

but there is lots of #1 D out there who have played with crap partners.
even when paired with competent partner like Brodie...results are not good.

I dont think the answer is Rielly is good on D and its all his partners fault
- senstroll

It depends on how you look at him in the context of the Leafs defence. Muzzin/Holl seem to be the primary shut down guys. Rielly leads the team in TOI and D in points. I think he performs these roles pretty well. He’s very good at getting the puck moving out of end which is really important for a puck possession team. At some point, you don’t want your scorers on with guys who can just knock down everyone front if the net, ring the puck around the boards back to the other team.

Just saying not good on D is an oversimplification IMO

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Huberdeau

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Girard-Makar
Rielly-Parayko
Doughty

Price
Binnington
Blackwood

Engvall could carry Lil Nic around in his pocket while he played.

GLG

It depends on how you look at him in the context of the Leafs defence. Muzzin/Holl seem to be the primary shut down guys. Rielly leads the team in TOI and D in points. I think he performs these roles pretty well. He’s very good at getting the puck moving out of end which is really important for a puck possession team. At some point, you don’t want your scorers on with guys who can just knock down everyone front if the net, ring the puck around the boards back to the other team.

Just saying not good on D is an oversimplification IMO
- Canada Cup

a couple of things to start..

why do you say "Muzzin/Holl seem to be the primary shut down guys"?

According to this, thats not he case
https://twitter.com/dragl...tatus/1356995191660548096


for Dmen, ignore all situation points, PP horribly Skewes perceptions.
Look at 5v5 where its most important the D are good. I dont care if Rielly is out with extra players

D points at 5v5

Holl - 4
Muzzin - 3
Rielly - 3
Brodie - 2

and to make it worse, Rielly only has 3 assists at 5v5, and they are all secondary and not primary.

Holl has 4 Primary assists.

Rielly is a good PP option...the rest is very very meh

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O'Reilly-Point-Barzal
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Huberdeau

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Girard-Makar
Rielly-Parayko
Doughty

Price
Binnington
Blackwood
- AdamFrench

Stamkos sux

Just like Brad Richards and Valteri Filpulla

Stamkos sux

Just like Brad Richards and Valteri Filpulla
- mr.sir

Worst 1.25PPG player eva?

I think thats overstated tbh. The sens got to the conference finals with Ceci/Phaneuf playing big minutes


Could be the forwards, but not all the D are suffering from the same issues.
I get tougher mins...but if you are getting caved in most of the time, well maybe you are not a #1 and cant handle it

Rielly cf% - 45
Brodie cf% - 46

Rielly Goals 7-9
Brodie Goals 5-6

Rielly xgf% 40
Brodie xgf% 40


Muzzin cf% - 53
Holl cf% - 55

Muzzin Goals 7-5
Holl Goals 8-5

Muzzin xgf% 50
Holl xgf% 58
- senstroll

Well that settles it.

Hey I love a good feud as much as the next guy and if you want to argue it’s wrong to argue that celebrating Trump’s death is wrong, go for it. I just find equating it to the “but I said x about Josh Anderson” silly.
- Canada Cup

You're allowed to find it silly, that's your call. But when I say "Josh Anderson is hurt, that contract won't age well"... And the response is an accusation that I'm making fun of someone getting hurt from a guy who also states a death will be celebrated, I'm allowed to point out that hypocrisy as I'm the one the accusation was levelled at.

Don't believe I require your validation either. 🤷

but there is lots of #1 D out there who have played with crap partners.
even when paired with competent partner like Brodie...results are not good.

I dont think the answer is Rielly is good on D and its all his partners fault
- senstroll

Rielly sucks defensively.

Worst 1.25PPG player eva?
- AdamFrench

Nah

There were lots of bad players in the 80’s who scored lots of points

(But they did not turn down lucrative contracts from their home town teams)😡
Can Tire was pissed!

Rielly sucks defensively.
- Steven_Seagull

So do most not named Muzzin 🤣

Never, EVER let a Habs fan use the chirp “are you guys planning the parade already” again... EVER. I have never, in my life seen a fan base suggest they are the best team in the NHL, and are set to win the cup this early and this aggressively.... it’s been 10 games people.

— Dylan Morrow (@Dylan_Morrow) February 3, 2021

So do most not named Muzzin 🤣
- Garnie

Not really. Brodie, Holl, and Bogosian are good. Dermott is fine. Lehtonen isn’t very good.

You're allowed to find it silly, that's your call. But when I say "Josh Anderson is hurt, that contract won't age well"... And the response is an accusation that I'm making fun of someone getting hurt from a guy who also states a death will be celebrated, I'm allowed to point out that hypocrisy as I'm the one the accusation was levelled at.

Don't believe I require your validation either. 🤷
- joel878

Lol. It’s a conversation but feel free to kiss the ring (but only the ring) whenever you want. I get that AA gets everyone bent out of shape and that every time you guys post is going to be an accusation. I was just commenting on the logic.

Not really. Brodie, Holl, and Bogosian are good. Dermott is fine. Lehtonen isn’t very good.
- Steven_Seagull

Meh

Never, EVER let a Habs fan use the chirp “are you guys planning the parade already” again... EVER. I have never, in my life seen a fan base suggest they are the best team in the NHL, and are set to win the cup this early and this aggressively.... it’s been 10 games people.

— Dylan Morrow (@Dylan_Morrow) February 3, 2021

- Archaic

Plan le parade.

Meh
- Garnie

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Worst 1.25PPG player eva?
- AdamFrench

nah, that's Forsberg

nah, that's Forsberg
- 21peter

So do most not named Muzzin 🤣
- Garnie

*looks at GA in division, reads about our lousy goalie and forwards who can’t find their own zone*

That Muzzin guy must be on the ice 45 minutes a game

Well that settles it.
- Garnie

its def worth considering

Plan le parade.
- Steven_Seagull

I've already picked out the cars I'm going to flip over and set on fire.

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Stamkos-Scheifele-Marner
O'Reilly-Point-Barzal
Marchand-Crosby-Bergeron
Huberdeau

Theodore-Pietrangelo
Girard-Makar
Rielly-Parayko
Doughty

Price
Binnington
Blackwood
- AdamFrench

Not sure the leafs have the cap space for that line up.
But im on board

- AdamFrench

almost sneezing?