Malkin is the 5th best player in franchise history. Letang is a 1D. If you don’t get how that’s different from goalies, which is the most replaceable position in the sport besides bottom pairing LD, then ok. It’s not my fault that your eye test (frank)ing sucks if you think he has sucked the last four years. He has sucked exactly one year, which is right now.
- Victoro311

The comparable is only in terms of selling high. Letang is garbage now and was in serious decline for 4 years. He wasn't needed to win our last cup, unless eyes missed him playing? Trading Letang does not mean you lose your 1D He is absolutely garbage on the PP...has always been a terrible PP quartback(thats a bad quality in a 1D btw) Many 1D have moved in the last four years or so. Webber Subban EK; Petro just this off-season for example. Im not going to argue about what could have happened or not...but this team has done SQUAT ALL since the last cup. I dont need anything other than that to prove my point. I argued against moving maf and trading Letang and ditching sully a few years ago...most fans are catching up to these ideas now...but sorry, its too late now.

Letang is a franchise player.
You won’t get that type of player for such a long tenure. Not to mention he leads all pen dman in career points. All while mixing a significant amount of matches due to injury.
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And who was the leader before him...a player that played like 4 years here? Quite the accomplishment..come on now.

And who was the leader before him...a player that played like 4 years here? Quite the accomplishment..come on now.
- taleisyreXIII

That doesn’t take away from what he’s done as a penguin.
Look at the past 10 years. Look at the past 3 years (his “decline”. Look how many more dman have more points than him. Look at his possession stats. Research before you write

Letang is not a franchise player...at all. Malkin maybe and he is one id be hesitant to move and would depend an awful lot on return. But there have been more than adequate replacements available for Letang and his level of play in the last four years.

Always sell high right. We sold low on Murray..going to suffer with garbage play from Malkin and Letang for years and nothing of value to trade to re-establish this team. You don't simply accept your fate and settle with 3 cups and 4 finals when you can push for more. I mean, that was the argument for dropping MAF right? Future...so why can't it apply to Letang and Malkin?
- taleisyreXIII

Would you trade Malkin for Duchene or Johansen + a pick or prospect?

Nashville or Florida seem like 2 teams which I feel would be interest in Malkin. Maybe Anaheim and a few others as well, but I feel Nashville would be interesting because we would need a good #1/2 option coming back if we moved Malkin.

That doesn’t take away from what he’s done as a penguin.
Look at the past 10 years. Look at the past 3 years (his “decline”. Look how many more dman have more points than him. Look at his possession stats. Research before you write
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You can't read..said I love what he has done for us..but you don't marry yourself to every player. Letang should have been moved..my opinion. End of story.

And who was the leader before him...a player that played like 4 years here? Quite the accomplishment..come on now.
- taleisyreXIII

I mean Letang is 9th all time in points for the Pens. Yea he makes mistakes but all NHL stars do. See you just don't like Letang and that's fine, that's your opinion. But you wanted to keep MAF when he had crazy meltdowns himself and buried us because his head was a mess. I love MAF but at the time we had multiple in house cheaper options in goal. We didn't/still don't have in house options to replace Tanger. So the only way you can move Letang is if another team soured on their top RD. However Letang is great value at 7.5 so it's a very hard trade.

Would you trade Malkin for Duchene or Johansen + a pick or prospect?

Nashville or Florida seem like 2 teams which I feel would be interest in Malkin. Maybe Anaheim and a few others as well, but I feel Nashville would be interesting because we would need a good #1/2 option coming back if we moved Malkin.
- 123Kid

Malkin for Barkov, no take backs lol.

You can't read..said I love what he has done for us..but you don't marry yourself to every player. Letang should have been moved..my opinion. End of story.
- taleisyreXIII

You said he’s been garbage for years....so look at the past 3 years.

And who was the leader before him...a player that played like 4 years here? Quite the accomplishment..come on now.
- taleisyreXIII

Sergei Gonchar. It was a few years ago but I think he was pretty good.

Letang is not a franchise player...at all. Malkin maybe and he is one id be hesitant to move and would depend an awful lot on return. But there have been more than adequate replacements available for Letang and his level of play in the last four years.

Always sell high right. We sold low on Murray..going to suffer with garbage play from Malkin and Letang for years and nothing of value to trade to re-establish this team. You don't simply accept your fate and settle with 3 cups and 4 finals when you can push for more. I mean, that was the argument for dropping MAF right? Future...so why can't it apply to Letang and Malkin?
- taleisyreXIII

Jj, guddy, ceci... Weber? Maybe he finally acquired all 4 horsemen of the defensive apocalypse so his work is done now.
- 10inchTerror

Underrated post.

Underrated post.
- Hockey66

Hahaha I laughed for sure.

So, Which GMJR trades are people b1tching about?

Lets look at post cups

Sundqvist and a 1st for Reaves?

The first was Klim Kostin, who RW lamented we "could have had"

Klim's in the K and looks like a Bust https://www.hockeydb.com/...s/pdisplay.php?pid=195511

Brassard? Everyone loved that trade at the time, it just didn't work out. All it cost us was Reaves, Cole and Gustaffson. Cole was more of a Sully issue. Brassard more/less became McCann

Hagelin>Pearson>Gudbransson>Dumped on Anaheim - no loss there. Hags was a UFA so we tried on a few other parts and got rid of Guddy for no cost

Kessel for POJ? Kessel is cooked, Future is bright for POJ

Zucker for a 1st - Fills a need and is locked up with term

Kapanen for a 1st? would you rather have a hole in the lineup right now or Kapanen?

Murray for a 2nd? - looks like highway robbery right now

Sprong for Petterson - Huge Win

Horn for Matheson. I'll reserve judgment till I see Matheson play more than 2 games. I stand behind there were NO takers for Hornqvist without massive retention in the cap strapped offseason

Mulligans?

Jack Johnson signing and giving up on Oleksiak. I can't think of many more. Probably should have resigned Bonino and saved us from the Brassard debacle. That being said we might not have McCann right now and McCann>Bonino

I'll miss GMJR because there is nothing worse than a GM who sits on his hands
- TheGame316

Good post, but it's even better for JR because the 1st given up for Reaves was actually just a 20 spot move down in the draft. However, you left out bringing in only Sheary, ERod and a cooked Marleau for the playoff run. Not exactly putting us over the top from a first round sweep the previous year. There was also the failed Hunwick experiment.

Here is the post-mortem on JR if anyone is interested:
http://www.nhltradetracke..._by_GM/Jim_Rutherford/278
If you look at ALL of the trades, he actually did quite well. FA not so good.

Speaking of Reaves, I think a lot of the venom toward JR should really be directed at Sully. You can add in Cole, JJ (both f'ed that up), Sheary, ERod, Horny, etc.

As for Horn for Matheson, what you say about Horny might be true, but the better course of action would have been to do nothing. Horny is still playing at a high level and he is exactly what the Pens are missing now. We definitely didn't need another LD, especially one who plays suspect defense and is a turnover machine.

One more thing I'll add is that GMing is hard. Most GMs have a spotty record. A lot depends on being able to accurately predict the future. Even if players like Brassard don't fall off a cliff, you never know if they are going to be a fit (i.e., Pearson, Perron, etc.). Then there's the coach who can really F things up no matter how well you do. Finally, we as fans probably only know about 10% at most of what all goes on behind the scenes. Hard to pass too much judgment based on that.

All of that being said, I'm glad he's gone. Now it's time for Sully to be shown the door. Speaking of which, did JR want to fire Sully and management said "no"? That would make a hell of a lot of sense, given how they never seemed to be on the same page. Something tells me management might have chosen sides and chose Sully over JR. Not often you see a whole coaching staff replaced except the head coach in one off-season.

Chayka is available. Would be so “ progressive”.
- Newgod77

Still waiting for one of these progressive GMs to win something.

I mean if it's so easy to win when you inherit a talented core, surely Toronto and it's progressive GM are inbthe midst of many deep playoff runs.

(If you don't get the reference, from a blog on how GMJR shouldn't trade with a progressive GM like Dubas).

Good post, but it's even better for JR because the 1st given up for Reaves was actually just a 20 spot move down in the draft. However, you left out bringing in only Sheary, ERod and a cooked Marleau for the playoff run. Not exactly putting us over the top from a first round sweep the previous year. There was also the failed Hunwick experiment.

Here is the post-mortem on JR if anyone is interested:
http://www.nhltradetracke..._by_GM/Jim_Rutherford/278
If you look at ALL of the trades, he actually did quite well. FA not so good.

Speaking of Reaves, I think a lot of the venom toward JR should really be directed at Sully. You can add in Cole, JJ (both f'ed that up), Sheary, ERod, Horny, etc.

As for Horn for Matheson, what you say about Horny might be true, but the better course of action would have been to do nothing. Horny is still playing at a high level and he is exactly what the Pens are missing now. We definitely didn't need another LD, especially one who plays suspect defense and is a turnover machine.
- Hockey66

I believe GMJRs plan for 3C was Horny for Matheson, Petterson for cost controlled quality 3C, Matheson replaces Petterson because he could not flip Horn directly for a young quality 3C

Matheson is a downgrade on Petterson, but the 3C he'd get for Petterson would be an upgrade over what he could get directly for Hornqvist

Never saw the plan fully play out but seems the most plausable

Heard he was trying to unload Sid's contract to free up money to sign Ceci long-term. May have caused some friction.

I believe GMJRs plan for 3C was Horny for Matheson, Petterson for cost controlled quality 3C, Matheson replaces Petterson because he could not flip Horn directly for a young quality 3C

Matheson is a downgrade on Petterson, but the 3C he'd get for Petterson would be an upgrade over what he could get directly for Hornqvist

Never saw the plan fully play out but seems the most plausable
- TheGame316

If that's the case then he should have set up a 3-way trade (or two separate trades both essentially finalized). I doubt he would do one trade without the other lined up and ready to go. Teams scratch players because they don't want them injured prior to a trade. No way he sends out Petts every night if he has designs on a 3C for him (as we are painfully aware now). Besides, a good 3C is way more valuable than an average 2LD making $4M. But, it is a theory for a curious move.

I wonder if the fallout from the Matheson-Horny trade, in one form or another, was the impetus for this move today. I also wonder how it affected the locker room and what Sully thought about it or if he had a hand in it. I would pay a lot of money for a JR tell-all book.

He burned the house down on the way out... LoL

I think the verdict is still out on the Hornqvist trade. It's still early and sadly we only saw Matheson only for 2 games. I think he was brought in to be our PP shooting defenseman. If he turns it around this season with us (once he comes back from injury). It won't be seen as such a bad trade. I think most agree. The worst part of the trade was we never replaced Hornqvist with anyone who remotely resembled what he brought to the team

If that's the case then he should have set up a 3-way trade (or two separate trades both essentially finalized). I doubt he would do one trade without the other lined up and ready to go. Teams scratch players because they don't want them injured prior to a trade. No way he sends out Petts every night if he has designs on a 3C for him (as we are painfully aware now). Besides, a good 3C is way more valuable than an average 2LD making $4M. But, it is a theory for a curious move.

I wonder if the fallout from the Matheson-Horny trade, in one form or another, was the impetus for this move today. I also wonder how it affected the locker room and what Sully thought about it or if he had a hand in it. I would pay a lot of money for a JR tell-all book.
- Hockey66

I wonder if Tanger/Geno knew they were being brought up in trade talks at the time? Probably not because Horny was blindsided.

So no Horny, sh!tty Matheson on the IR, Ceci signed and all for him to only be GM for 7 games hahaha

Ridiculous.

Schultz had 5 points in 25 home games for the Pens last season....so far this season he has 4 points in 3 home games for the Caps...

I know this because he is available in free agents in our Yahoo Fantasy and currently ranked 92 overall out of all players.

I think the verdict is still out on the Hornqvist trade. It's still early and sadly we only saw Matheson only for 2 games. I think he was brought in to be our PP shooting defenseman. If he turns it around this season with us (once he comes back from injury). It won't be seen as such a bad trade. I think most agree. The worst part of the trade was we never replaced Hornqvist with anyone who remotely resembled what he brought to the team
- 123Kid

The Hornqvist trade is simply trading him a year too soon rather than a year too late. I am fine with that. You hit the nail on the head with the he was never replaced. I do remember this was the topic when people on here started the trade Hornqvist movement. I do think we have a couple guys who can transform into that role. That is how I will determine if the trade is successful or not.

Does Alvin, being interim, have limitations in pursuing trades?
- Rinosaur

Ask him:
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