It’s starting to sound like a contract dispute. JR wanted an extension and the Pens said not now. At least this is what DK just said.
- madmike71

Smart on ownership. Why extend someone who's geriatric and hasn't had a good year since 2017?

As far as the next GM goes, I really hope the Penguins don't play it safe. Bringing a guy like Chia or Talon is bad for obvious reasons just because they're incredibly ungood at their jobs, but beyond that we need a guy who can extract value from assets and not just come in and curate the existing team by adding veterans here or there on the fringes. The time is coming where the Crosby/Malkin Era will end, and while I want Sid and Geno, and to a lesser extent Letang to have a blank check to finish their careers here if they want to, there will still be some high value players in the middle or towards the end of their primes that will probably need to be traded in the ensuing rebuild. Guentzel and Marino come immediately to mind. Possibly Jarry if he doesn't suffer from the ever so common goalie volatility. Rust and Dumoulin if they're resigned and don't fall off a cliff. Our next GM should be someone who can manage those decisions about whether or not a player should be traded and what for well. Bringing in an old guard retread GM that just want's to make the team as competitive as possible any given year despite not having the tentpoles of a contender will really retard what's already probably going to be a lengthy rebuild.
- Victoro311

If the Pens hire Chia pet.. they should just shut the franchise down...

If that's true then ownership was right not to offer him an extension. He hasn't earned it. He did in 2017, not now.

If the Pens hire Chia pet.. they should just shut the franchise down...

- dozerD10

I will not be shocked if they do.

Does Alvin, being interim, have limitations in pursuing trades?

Does Alvin, being interim, have limitations in pursuing trades?
- Rinosaur

That's up to ownership. I would assume that they would have strong input in any trades if they're not pretty darn sure that they're going to make Alvin the permanent GM. If Alvin were the heir apparent and the GM search were more of a best practices formality, he'd probably have more autonomy.

I read it was twofold;

He wanted more control, as he felt he lost control. He had a trade for letang in the offseason and ownership refused.
Then he wanted to sign an extension and when ownership said to wait, he saw it as writing in the wall and resigned.

I read it was twofold;

He wanted more control, as he felt he lost control. He had a trade for letang in the offseason and ownership refused.
Then he wanted to sign an extension and when ownership said to wait, he saw it as writing in the wall and resigned.
- [email protected]

Where did you hear this?!

I read it was twofold;

He wanted more control, as he felt he lost control. He had a trade for letang in the offseason and ownership refused.
Then he wanted to sign an extension and when ownership said to wait, he saw it as writing in the wall and resigned.
- [email protected]

I had heard he was approached by ownership and told he had to keep Malkin, Crosby, and Letang and was not allowed to trade them. I had heard there were rumors of trades he had in place from the inside to trade Letang and Malkin, but I thought it was all hearsay. I guess there may be truth to some of it. If that was one of his frustrations and a reason he left. I do wonder if they handcuffed him in other moves as well and he just had enough

Where did you hear this?!
- 668710

You dare question Domenic Terrone?

Well, Ryan Wilson, you've wanted this for a long time. Here's your chance. You've always seemed to think you could do a better job, go put your application in. I'm sure ownership is is just waiting for you to come through the door. Season saved! Ryan Wilson is here to save us all.

Smart on ownership. Why extend someone who's geriatric and hasn't had a good year since 2017?
- Victoro311

Rossi says they were planning on extending him... don’t know what happened behind closed doors but I consider his resigning a blessing from him.

Rossi says they were planning on extending him... don’t know what happened behind closed doors but I consider his resigning a blessing from him.
- 10inchTerror

Rossi’s also a lout, but if anything all these reports, even if not fully true, point to something funky happening.

Rossi says they were planning on extending him... don’t know what happened behind closed doors but I consider his resigning a blessing from him.
- 10inchTerror

Idk about it being a blessing. If the rumors of him being handcuffed by ownership is true, who knows what moves were his intention and which move was that of ownership (wanting certain players, certain styles, listening to which scouts etc). Sadly it is a bigger political game as a GM then just saying hey I want so and so ill give you so and so. It's a bunch of listening to scouts, having a long term vision and manipulation to get ownership and coaches to to be with you or against you.

Allvin, who was named assistant GM in November, is in his 15th season with the Penguins. The 46-year-old served as director of amateur scouting from 2017-20.
Morehouse said Allvin will be a candidate to become the permanent GM and will not be held back when it comes to shaping the Penguins roster for the remainder of the season.

"He’s also going to have (Penguins co-owner) Mario Lemieux as a backup," Morehouse said. "So I think we’re OK in that area. Patrik will have full authority, but Mario’s still, along with Ron Burkle, the general partners of the ownership team here. Mario’s had some experience around this stuff. So we think we’ll be OK."

Quotes from morehouse.

It’s interesting for sure but it sounds like ownership wanted him to stay so who knows how much they meddled. Hope we find out the real reason some day. Oh well. Gives me something to read about today.

Allvin, who was named assistant GM in November, is in his 15th season with the Penguins. The 46-year-old served as director of amateur scouting from 2017-20.
Morehouse said Allvin will be a candidate to become the permanent GM and will not be held back when it comes to shaping the Penguins roster for the remainder of the season.

"He’s also going to have (Penguins co-owner) Mario Lemieux as a backup," Morehouse said. "So I think we’re OK in that area. Patrik will have full authority, but Mario’s still, along with Ron Burkle, the general partners of the ownership team here. Mario’s had some experience around this stuff. So we think we’ll be OK."

Quotes from morehouse.

It’s interesting for sure but it sounds like ownership wanted him to stay so who knows how much they meddled. Hope we find out the real reason some day. Oh well. Gives me something to read about today.
- 10inchTerror

Interesting to see what he does.

Rossi’s also a lout, but if anything all these reports, even if not fully true, point to something funky happening.
- Victoro311

Is "lout" your new favorite word? Did someone get you Word of the Day toilet paper?

Is "lout" your new favorite word? Did someone get you Word of the Day toilet paper?
- Rinosaur

Lol

Is "lout" your new favorite word? Did someone get you Word of the Day toilet paper?
- Rinosaur

Yeah it’s how I learned to use the word “standoffish” properly.

Yeah it’s how I learned to use the word “standoffish” properly.
- Victoro311

LOL

Just a random though, but I was trying to think of how the Pens could possibly unload Matheson. A buyout is probably not even on their radar. Retaining 50% of his salary it's still not a good deal for anyone to take; not for five (frank)ing years.

The only reality is Pettersson or Dumo getting shipped out.

Just a random though, but I was trying to think of how the Pens could possibly unload Matheson. A buyout is probably not even on their radar. Retaining 50% of his salary it's still not a good deal for anyone to take; not for five (frank)ing years.

The only reality is Pettersson or Dumo getting shipped out.
- Rinosaur

Basically we need Seattle to take him.

Idk about it being a blessing. If the rumors of him being handcuffed by ownership is true, who knows what moves were his intention and which move was that of ownership (wanting certain players, certain styles, listening to which scouts etc). Sadly it is a bigger political game as a GM then just saying hey I want so and so ill give you so and so. It's a bunch of listening to scouts, having a long term vision and manipulation to get ownership and coaches to to be with you or against you.
- 123Kid

I don’t think that’s a concern. A lot was made about how hands off this ownership group was with Shero and Bylsma and was sited as a reason for why that eventually went down the way it did because ownership never pushed Shero to fire Dan. Could that have taught them a lesson and caused them to be more hands on? Sure, but also if Rutherford was really trying to trade franchise players, that’s a scenario where it’s completely reasonable for even the most hands off ownership to get their hands dirty and veto. Especially with how bad his moves have been for the past three years, he should not be trusted to trade guys who shouldn’t be trusted in the first place

Basically we need Seattle to take him.
- Victoro311

Ah yeah, I did forget about that situation. Maybe they can pull an MAF with them.

So, Which GMJR trades are people b1tching about?

Lets look at post cups

Sundqvist and a 1st for Reaves?

The first was Klim Kostin, who RW lamented we "could have had"

Klim's in the K and looks like a Bust https://www.hockeydb.com/...s/pdisplay.php?pid=195511

Brassard? Everyone loved that trade at the time, it just didn't work out. All it cost us was Reaves, Cole and Gustaffson. Cole was more of a Sully issue. Brassard more/less became McCann

Hagelin>Pearson>Gudbransson>Dumped on Anaheim - no loss there. Hags was a UFA so we tried on a few other parts and got rid of Guddy for no cost

Kessel for POJ? Kessel is cooked, Future is bright for POJ

Zucker for a 1st - Fills a need and is locked up with term

Kapanen for a 1st? would you rather have a hole in the lineup right now or Kapanen?

Murray for a 2nd? - looks like highway robbery right now

Sprong for Petterson - Huge Win

Horn for Matheson. I'll reserve judgment till I see Matheson play more than 2 games. I stand behind there were NO takers for Hornqvist without massive retention in the cap strapped offseason

Mulligans?

Jack Johnson signing and giving up on Oleksiak. I can't think of many more. Probably should have resigned Bonino and saved us from the Brassard debacle. That being said we might not have McCann right now and McCann>Bonino

I'll miss GMJR because there is nothing worse than a GM who sits on his hands