I fear that Rielly will want to go to the Canucks.
- Atomic Wedgie

I like Rielly a lot, but LHD depth is something we have... I would move him for someone like PLD

Tavares is not the problem no matter what Steve Simmons says.
- PatC80

The problem is they can only allocate so much money to certain types of players. Leafs dont need another C, they need D.

Willy literally stayed tf home when he didnt like what was being offered, PLD took a contract so he could start on time, and he probably just (frank)ing hates torts and hates playing in CLB.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

So what you are saying is it looks better on a player to get paid and quit on his team, but still get the money?

Willy literally stayed tf home when he didnt like what was being offered, PLD took a contract so he could start on time, and he probably just (frank)ing hates torts and hates playing in CLB.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

So you're admitting Nylander is getting more responsible with experience and Dubois is getting worse, agreed.

I'll be honest, it's not about the one shift.. Nylander for Dubois is an overpay. I would move Rielly before I move Nylander..

Rielly will ask for, and probably get a salary increase. If we can get a defenseman like Savard back as part of a bigger trade, it's better than trading Nylander for Dubois one for one
- PatC80

trade rielly before floating willie??

So what you are saying is it looks better on a player to get paid and quit on his team, but still get the money?
- Santo_44

Pretty sure if I had a boss like Torts, I'd gtfo as well.

So you're admitting Nylander is getting more responsible with experience and Dubois is getting worse, agreed.
- Zezel

lmao. ur out of control zezel.

nhl.com has Marner at 15, Jones at 81 lol..

fwiw i think that probably a little low for Jones

Jones is overrated tho, Rielly is as good as he is.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Pretty sure if I had a boss like Torts, I'd gtfo as well.
- Scabeh

I have a good history working for bumhole bosses. Everyone's different.

I like when a boss holds guys accountable, it weeds out the weak and undeserving ones. But many ppl cant hack it.

Hyman has been the best player on the Leafs this season so far.
Last 3-4 seasons has been one of the best players as well.
But sure -- let's get rid of a 29 y old player because you feel 'his style' doesn't age well..
let me tell you this - hyman isn't your typical guy that is a hitter - in fact, he almost never hits. instead -- he uses his body really well to absorb hits. there aren't too many players that have that specific style. imo hyman has earned a 4x4mlnAAV+ contract for sure. would be stupid not to give him that after haveing gifted kapanen, johnsson and kerfoot with similar aav deals - all players way less important than hyman.
- MaximusAurelius

Matthews says 🙄

- Aetherial

Jones is overrated, my man.

- Aetherial

I like Rielly a lot, but LHD depth is something we have... I would move him for someone like PLD
- PatC80

I love you, Patsie, but why the frank would we move our top D for another centre?

So what you are saying is it looks better on a player to get paid and quit on his team, but still get the money?
- Santo_44

Can we agree that Romanov is further in his development than Sandin yet?

trade rielly before floating willie??
- MaximusAurelius

the part of the conversation that is not being spelled out is this: PLD has 1 year left at $5m after this one.

Rielly has 1 year left at $5m after this one.

Hyman's deal @ $2.75m expires this year.

Nylander has 3 years left @ $6.9M after this year.

PLD is going to want in excess of $7m after next season. So is Rielly. Hyman is going to want probably $4m - $5m based on recent comparables. None of those are contracts Toronto can afford, especially since the cap is not likely to go up.

Saying that Clb would be interested, if you deal Nylander for PLD, you get $2m in 2021 and 2022 relief, but in 2023 you're probably back in the same problem or worse. Especially if you resigned Rielly.

I get what Pat is saying.

I'm not adverse to trading Willy for a player like PLD, but I'd be concerned about the coming cap ramifications.

Pretty sure if I had a boss like Torts, I'd gtfo as well.
- Scabeh

The word on the street is that 99% of players love playing for him.

He's tough but fair, and you always know exactly where you stand with him.

I have a good history working for bumhole bosses. Everyone's different.

I like when a boss holds guys accountable, it weeds out the weak and undeserving ones. But many ppl cant hack it.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don't mind a "rough but fair" approach.

But respect must always remain for a workplace to be successful.

Tortorella obviously ends up crossing that line in every coaching job he's had.

The word on the street is that 99% of players love playing for him.

He's tough but fair, and you always know exactly where you stand with him.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'll take your word for it. I can only confirm that Lecavalier and Martin St-Louis really liked him.

Can we agree that Romanov is further in his development than Sandin yet?
- fifty__missions

Mmmm not yet.

Id have Sandin in the lineup rn. If he doesnt look as good as Romanov does, then we can have that discussion. But lets give it 20ish games first.

I don't mind a "rough but fair" approach.

But respect must always remain for a workplace to be successful.

Tortorella obviously ends up crossing that line in every coaching job he's had.
- Scabeh

The problem Tortorella has is that he believes in public shaming as a method. It's a terrible tool to use in virtually any situation. It tears away trust and creates irreparable damage in a relationship.

the part of the conversation that is not being spelled out is this: PLD has 1 year left at $5m after this one.

Rielly has 1 year left at $5m after this one.

Hyman's deal @ $2.75m expires this year.

Nylander has 3 years left @ $6.9M after this year.

PLD is going to want in excess of $7m after next season. So is Rielly. Hyman is going to want probably $4m - $5m based on recent comparables. None of those are contracts Toronto can afford, especially since the cap is not likely to go up.

Saying that Clb would be interested, if you deal Nylander for PLD, you get $2m in 2021 and 2022 relief, but in 2023 you're probably back in the same problem or worse. Especially if you resigned Rielly.

I get what Pat is saying.

I'm not adverse to trading Willy for a player like PLD, but I'd be concerned about the coming cap ramifications.
- Monkeypunk

PLD isnt what the Leafs need, so no point in even talking about it. He'll probably goto NYI or LA or some team like Dallas who we'd never predict.

Off to work now

Would appreciate a visit from Nic Cage please and thanks👍

GoLeafsGo

I love you, Patsie, but why the frank would we move our top D for another centre?
- Atomic Wedgie

I think we have more LHD depth then we do C depth.. I like Kerfoot and Rielly a lot.. If Matthews or Tavares get injured, is Kerfoot good enough to fill in on one of the top 2 lines?

Jones is overrated, my man.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Well according to Roger he's not a #1C yet

I don't mind a "rough but fair" approach.

But respect must always remain for a workplace to be successful.

Tortorella obviously ends up crossing that line in every coaching job he's had.
- Scabeh

idk im not on the ice with him.

sometimes he seems friendly, but he's all business when things get going.