Holland don’t know how to build a blue line. Always puts too much confidence in aging poopty goalies. Too loyal to the contracts he gives out.
- fry

Im no fan of Holland but he didn’t give out these contracts. And had limited options for goalies given the cap this year. Klefbom is missed more than most wanted to admit.

Im no fan of Holland but he didn’t give out these contracts. And had limited options for goalies given the cap this year. Klefbom is missed more than most wanted to admit.
- TurdFergeson

The problem with Klefbom is that he's always missed!!

The problem with Klefbom is that he's always missed!!
- Misterbator

Chia (frank)ed this organization in so many ways.

Im no fan of Holland but he didn’t give out these contracts. And had limited options for goalies given the cap this year. Klefbom is missed more than most wanted to admit.
- TurdFergeson

Kassian 3.25x4
Chiasson 1x2.25
Turris 2x1.65
🐻 2x2
Smitty 2x1

all pretty horrible signings by Holland. Zero reason to overpay any of them. Bear is an RFA with poopty stats. How does he not get signed for under a mill? No one wanted to sign Smith. Boom 2 million. Kassian is the crown jewel of all of those. Ken’s first big signing is the Abdelkader Special.

🐻 2x2

Bear is an RFA with poopty stats. How does he not get signed for under a mill?
- fry

Either you're using a completely different set of stats or your understanding of said stats is insufficient. What I assume you're referring to is his GA/60 and relGA/60 which are his most prominent weaknesses stat-wise. However, don't neglect the whole picture.

Bear
4G and 15A at EV in 71 games
14th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 2.93
relGF/60 +0.79
GA/60 3.21
relGA/60 +0.79
GF% 47.8
relGF% +0.81
xGF% 49.2
relxGF% +1.19

I see a rookie keeping his head above water (relative to his team) despite playing far more minutes than reasonable. By my eye, he's clearly worth the 2mil he got. But sure, we'll call that bad and not worth 2mil. I trust this same standard applies to Rasmus Andersson, then?

Andersson (pre-Jan 8th signing)
2G and 2A at EV
113th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 1.51
relGF/60 -0.82
GA/60 2.26
relGA/60 -0.32
GF% 40.0
relGF% -7.46
xGF% 51.1
relxGF% +1.88

One difference obviously being Andersson had one extra season to his credit before last season. However, if it's a straight numbers comparison using your standard of "poopty stats", then clearly Andersson is VASTLY overpaid at his 4.5mil cap hit. Would you agree?

For clarity's sake, I would not.

Having made my case using the stats I prefer, I'd welcome the chance to understand what numbers you're looking at to come to the conclusion that you did.

Kassian 3.25x4
Chiasson 1x2.25
Turris 2x1.65
🐻 2x2
Smitty 2x1

all pretty horrible signings by Holland. Zero reason to overpay any of them. Bear is an RFA with poopty stats. How does he not get signed for under a mill? No one wanted to sign Smith. Boom 2 million. Kassian is the crown jewel of all of those. Ken’s first big signing is the Abdelkader Special.
- fry

Bear is making roughly what Valimaki will be asking for on his bridge deal next year. Except Bear has more games and better stats in his first 2 NHL seasons. Would you be disappointed with Valimaki making roughly the same?

As for the others, majority of Oilers fans saw Kassian as an overpay due to inflated stats playing with CMD, and didn't really want Chia's son or smitty, and I for one called Turris a bad signing immediately but someone would have offered him that if Holland didn't. I am not a fan of Holland, but majority of his deals have been market value or the cost needed for signing someone in Canada.

I'm a Flames fan. In no way are they a model organization but in comparison to the Oilers? They might as well be the pinnacle.


My point here is not to troll. Your top two players are AMAZING. I would obviously take either one of them in a heartbeat. What I can't figure out is why your team can't put better pieces around MCD DRAI? Do you feel that there are things internally still holding you back? Drafting, Scouting, GM?

I am curious what you fans have to say. Take it easy on me
- Misterbator

Forward depth is actually pretty good... For once.

At this point they are waiting for some of their young D-men to progress and breakthrough in the next year or so (Bouchard, Broberg, Samorukov). Hopefully Klefbom can come back as well and return close to his form that he has been.

You overpay for elite or even just good defense and the pieces other teams want for these defenseman is probably just not worth it.

There was definitely some cap hangover from Chiarelli, much of which will be up next year (Except Neal which was a result of Chia signing Lucic)

They finished first in their division last year so its not all doom and gloom. They are better than their record shows right now so might just have to wait and see.

Forward depth is actually pretty good... For once.

At this point they are waiting for some of their young D-men to progress and breakthrough in the next year or so (Bouchard, Broberg, Samorukov). Hopefully Klefbom can come back as well and return close to his form that he has been.

You overpay for elite or even just good defense and the pieces other teams want for these defenseman is probably just not worth it.

There was definitely some cap hangover from Chiarelli, much of which will be up next year (Except Neal which was a result of Chia signing Lucic)

They finished first in their division last year so its not all doom and gloom. They are better than their record shows right now so might just have to wait and see.
- CameronJ9

The forward depth is awful. The bottom 6 are still getting massively outplayed by the competition and Kassian is pitiful and has no business being top 6. There is some hope on the back end in the future but right now it’s dismal. And a true starting goalie is a must have. Oil beat the leafs last game but they should not have. That was one of the worst games I’ve watched in a long long time. But what else do you do while doing quarantine?

Either you're using a completely different set of stats or your understanding of said stats is insufficient. What I assume you're referring to is his GA/60 and relGA/60 which are his most prominent weaknesses stat-wise. However, don't neglect the whole picture.

Bear
4G and 15A at EV in 71 games
14th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 2.93
relGF/60 +0.79
GA/60 3.21
relGA/60 +0.79
GF% 47.8
relGF% +0.81
xGF% 49.2
relxGF% +1.19

I see a rookie keeping his head above water (relative to his team) despite playing far more minutes than reasonable. By my eye, he's clearly worth the 2mil he got. But sure, we'll call that bad and not worth 2mil. I trust this same standard applies to Rasmus Andersson, then?

Andersson (pre-Jan 8th signing)
2G and 2A at EV
113th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 1.51
relGF/60 -0.82
GA/60 2.26
relGA/60 -0.32
GF% 40.0
relGF% -7.46
xGF% 51.1
relxGF% +1.88

One difference obviously being Andersson had one extra season to his credit before last season. However, if it's a straight numbers comparison using your standard of "poopty stats", then clearly Andersson is VASTLY overpaid at his 4.5mil cap hit. Would you agree?

For clarity's sake, I would not.

Having made my case using the stats I prefer, I'd welcome the chance to understand what numbers you're looking at to come to the conclusion that you did.
- MaximumBone

Murder is illegal.

The forward depth is awful. The bottom 6 are still getting massively outplayed by the competition and Kassian is pitiful and has no business being top 6. There is some hope on the back end in the future but right now it’s dismal. And a true starting goalie is a must have. Oil beat the leafs last game but they should not have. That was one of the worst games I’ve watched in a long long time. But what else do you do while doing quarantine?
- TurdFergeson

I don't think Edmonton played much worse than the Leafs. I just think it was a boring ass game.

The depth up front looks good on paper. A cheap Turris? That would have been great a few years ago. James Neal? If you completely ignore everything else but his power play goals, he's wonderful!

Kassian has been ass, he's totally out of his element on the top line and should be moved to the fourth line immediately. Puljujarvi has showed some promise, and should be given a few game with McDavid.

D suffers the same. Looks solid on paper, but man they are underperforming. Bear has been lackluster, Larsson has been unplayable, Nurse is not that great.

While a better starter would be great, I've said it before, but I don't think Koskinen is the issue. He's had one poopty game & has allowed some weak goals, but overall he's kept some games close.

Either you're using a completely different set of stats or your understanding of said stats is insufficient. What I assume you're referring to is his GA/60 and relGA/60 which are his most prominent weaknesses stat-wise. However, don't neglect the whole picture.

Bear
4G and 15A at EV in 71 games
14th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 2.93
relGF/60 +0.79
GA/60 3.21
relGA/60 +0.79
GF% 47.8
relGF% +0.81
xGF% 49.2
relxGF% +1.19

I see a rookie keeping his head above water (relative to his team) despite playing far more minutes than reasonable. By my eye, he's clearly worth the 2mil he got. But sure, we'll call that bad and not worth 2mil. I trust this same standard applies to Rasmus Andersson, then?

Andersson (pre-Jan 8th signing)
2G and 2A at EV
113th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 1.51
relGF/60 -0.82
GA/60 2.26
relGA/60 -0.32
GF% 40.0
relGF% -7.46
xGF% 51.1
relxGF% +1.88

One difference obviously being Andersson had one extra season to his credit before last season. However, if it's a straight numbers comparison using your standard of "poopty stats", then clearly Andersson is VASTLY overpaid at his 4.5mil cap hit. Would you agree?

For clarity's sake, I would not.

Having made my case using the stats I prefer, I'd welcome the chance to understand what numbers you're looking at to come to the conclusion that you did.
- MaximumBone

This is exactly why analytics should only be part of the evaluation. I’m sure your eye test could see that Andersen is the superior defenceman. If not get your eyes checked.

Either you're using a completely different set of stats or your understanding of said stats is insufficient. What I assume you're referring to is his GA/60 and relGA/60 which are his most prominent weaknesses stat-wise. However, don't neglect the whole picture.

Bear
4G and 15A at EV in 71 games
14th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 2.93
relGF/60 +0.79
GA/60 3.21
relGA/60 +0.79
GF% 47.8
relGF% +0.81
xGF% 49.2
relxGF% +1.19

I see a rookie keeping his head above water (relative to his team) despite playing far more minutes than reasonable. By my eye, he's clearly worth the 2mil he got. But sure, we'll call that bad and not worth 2mil. I trust this same standard applies to Rasmus Andersson, then?

Andersson (pre-Jan 8th signing)
2G and 2A at EV
113th most EV mins/game in the league
GF/60 1.51
relGF/60 -0.82
GA/60 2.26
relGA/60 -0.32
GF% 40.0
relGF% -7.46
xGF% 51.1
relxGF% +1.88

One difference obviously being Andersson had one extra season to his credit before last season. However, if it's a straight numbers comparison using your standard of "poopty stats", then clearly Andersson is VASTLY overpaid at his 4.5mil cap hit. Would you agree?

For clarity's sake, I would not.

Having made my case using the stats I prefer, I'd welcome the chance to understand what numbers you're looking at to come to the conclusion that you did.
- MaximumBone

It’s amazing what man bun stats people try to pull to sound right. Obviously Rass is way better and has way less breakdowns in front of the net. He was starting to oust Brodie for a spot on the 1st pairing around when he signed. Bear was a healthy scratch last week. Treliving would have absolutely murdered Bear’s agent in contract negotiations.

It’s amazing what man bun stats people try to pull to sound right. Obviously Rass is way better and has way less breakdowns in front of the net. He was starting to oust Brodie for a spot on the 1st pairing around when he signed. Bear was a healthy scratch last week. Treliving would have absolutely murdered Bear’s agent in contract negotiations.
- fry

Bear played first pair this year and most of last. Flames fans delusional as always.

And you’re a moron. Go shove a steak knife in your Richard hole.
- TurdFergeson

Great line

I'm a Flames fan. In no way are they a model organization but in comparison to the Oilers? They might as well be the pinnacle.


My point here is not to troll. Your top two players are AMAZING. I would obviously take either one of them in a heartbeat. What I can't figure out is why your team can't put better pieces around MCD DRAI? Do you feel that there are things internally still holding you back? Drafting, Scouting, GM?

I am curious what you fans have to say. Take it easy on me
- Misterbator

Kassian 3.25x4
Chiasson 1x2.25
Turris 2x1.65
🐻 2x2
Smitty 2x1

all pretty horrible signings by Holland. Zero reason to overpay any of them. Bear is an RFA with poopty stats. How does he not get signed for under a mill? No one wanted to sign Smith. Boom 2 million. Kassian is the crown jewel of all of those. Ken’s first big signing is the Abdelkader Special.
- fry

Aside from Kassian how are any of those bad

The forward depth is awful. The bottom 6 are still getting massively outplayed by the competition and Kassian is pitiful and has no business being top 6. There is some hope on the back end in the future but right now it’s dismal. And a true starting goalie is a must have. Oil beat the leafs last game but they should not have. That was one of the worst games I’ve watched in a long long time. But what else do you do while doing quarantine?
- TurdFergeson

The one thing Calgary and Vancouver do well is finding great bottom six players evenif they over pay them.

It’s amazing what man bun stats people try to pull to sound right. Obviously Rass is way better and has way less breakdowns in front of the net. He was starting to oust Brodie for a spot on the 1st pairing around when he signed. Bear was a healthy scratch last week. Treliving would have absolutely murdered Bear’s agent in contract negotiations.
- fry

Treliving is a terrible GM and is getting fired this summer. In other news I have it on good authority that the Flames are shopping Monahan hard and being offered pennies on the dollar.

Great line
- Reveen

I think that line came from a old great poster named Starbuck. Or maybe it was Jewbacca? Or Green bastard?

I think that line came from a old great poster named Starbuck. Or maybe it was Jewbacca? Or Green bastard?
- TurdFergeson

Not my line... I think it might have been Little Ricky

Holland don’t know how to build a blue line. Always puts too much confidence in aging poopty goalies. Too loyal to the contracts he gives out.
- fry

Suck It Whipper

To be fair he’s trying to drive a flaming wagon.
- fry

You should let me ride your flaming wagon

Let's be real here, this website is a (frank)ing joke.
- Oilers4Life14

if you want to see a joke look between your legs

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

How's it hanging ?