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Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jan 20 @ 3:49 PM ET
Yes, based on all the parameters and factors involved, he is not that good.





I realize that you can't figure out the obvious.

- MJL

Thanks for your opinion on Murphy. Despite it being incorrect.

As said before you can speculate many reasons why he didn't fill that void.

You have no answer to my question so you go around in circles. Why didn't he fill that void. Clearly you have an opinion you can share with the board. So please do.
Gogol
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 05.16.2017

Jan 20 @ 4:01 PM ET
Honka, Honka burnin' love?
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 20 @ 4:29 PM ET
Ristolanein wasn't just signed. He signed 6 year 30 something million in 2016. I think if there wasn't expansion looming you'd have already seen fletcher make a move to address the need for another impact defender.
- Tfaehner


I agree. It's hard to pick up a quality defenseman and risk exposing one of Myers or Sanheim. And most likely losing whomever was exposed.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
Really good points! The thing I noticed with Patrick is he seems to be focusing so much on being sound defensively that he is not hanging in there enough offensively. I am sure as the season goes along he will find that balance. Couturier had the same problem for a few years also.
- jd250



you have to add the Flyers are not playing as a 5 man unit, when they do we will see more puck possession. I will write this off to no preseason games etc but they need to gel quickly.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 20 @ 5:02 PM ET
any update on Myers or Frost? Ghost?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 20 @ 5:09 PM ET
They aren't. And the point i think you're trying to make is things like winning board battles which we definitely don't do enough of. And we lose a lot behind our own net. Myers is really the only physically imposing d man we have. And he doesn't use it quite the same. Zamula is paper thin.
- Tfaehner

You nailed it
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 5:27 PM ET
Thanks for your opinion on Murphy. Despite it being incorrect.

As said before you can speculate many reasons why he didn't fill that void.

You have no answer to my question so you go around in circles. Why didn't he fill that void. Clearly you have an opinion you can share with the board. So please do.

- Striiker



Of course I have an answer! I'm just not giving it because it's ridiculously obvious. Just look at the time frame and when he signed Gustafsson.

You don't understand what my opinion on Murphy is. You can't grasp it.
Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jan 20 @ 5:36 PM ET
Of course I have an answer! I'm just not giving it because it's ridiculously obvious. Just look at the time frame and when he signed Gustafsson.

You don't understand what my opinion on Murphy is. You can't grasp it.

- MJL

It isn't obvious. Are you suggesting Gus was the answer to fill that void left by Niskannen?

Yep cant grasp it; got me again.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 20 @ 5:48 PM ET
any update on Myers or Frost? Ghost?
- Dkos


None. However they're traveling to Boston tonight so I think somebody somewhere has got to at least report who is traveling.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 20 @ 6:18 PM ET


Man reading Charlie article over on the athletic about the 4 games in review. Gus is even worse than as bad as I thought he was. Myers sanheim is the only positive pairing for the entire season. Provy braun was a black hole. The analytics match the eye test for me. Im terrified to see this defense against these offenses coming up. I expect braun to bounce back. Provy sanheim to be your new top pair. Then what ? In a loaded east I dont think patience will be a virtue here.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 20 @ 6:20 PM ET
any update on Myers or Frost? Ghost?
- Dkos


Sounds like none of frost myers or ghost are traveling. And flyers won't be prepared to give a medical update until tomorrow which is usually a bad sign.
Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jan 20 @ 6:25 PM ET
Man reading Charlie article over on the athletic about the 4 games in review. Gus is even worse than as bad as I thought he was. Myers sanheim is the only positive pairing for the entire season. Provy braun was a black hole. The analytics match the eye test for me. Im terrified to see this defense against these offenses coming up. I expect braun to bounce back. Provy sanheim to be your new top pair. Then what ? In a loaded east I dont think patience will be a virtue here.
- Tfaehner


To fix a problem you must first recognize the problem. Fletcher confirmed he believes all three of these guys can help this team win a cup by giving them brand new contracts and I don’t think he suddenly opened his eyes after 4 games.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 20 @ 6:28 PM ET
Sounds like none of frost myers or ghost are traveling. And flyers won't be prepared to give a medical update until tomorrow which is usually a bad sign.
- Tfaehner


Ugh. So, does this mean Ghost has COVID-19?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 20 @ 6:30 PM ET
Have watched several of York's games since he came back from worlds....most recently the sets against Michigan State and Ohio State. As much as we'd love him to be...he just isnt ready.
- juiced


Yep, exactly my point that we can’t plan on one of them so soon. Zamula just needs to pack on some muscle weight. I’m sure he has been trying, easier said than done. Some things just take time.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 6:37 PM ET
It isn't obvious. Are you suggesting Gus was the answer to fill that void left by Niskannen?

- Striiker


Nope.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 6:39 PM ET
To fix a problem you must first recognize the problem. Fletcher confirmed he believes all three of these guys can help this team win a cup by giving them brand new contracts and I don’t think he suddenly opened his eyes after 4 games.
- Striiker


So you believe that the GM is not capable of accurately assessing his team?


I think HFboards is a good location for you.
Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jan 20 @ 6:40 PM ET
Nope.
- MJL

That's a start. Are you suggesting he was signed to fill another role while someone internally was promoted?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 6:46 PM ET
That's a start. Are you suggesting he was signed to fill another role while someone internally was promoted?
- Striiker



That's a start? It was only a thought inside your head.
Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jan 20 @ 6:47 PM ET
That's a start? It was only a thought inside your head.
- MJL

Provide an answer please.

You originally said What does it tell you that Niskanen wasn't replaced externally?

There could be several reasons he was not replaced externally could there not? So it could tell me a couple things. Yet you state it is "obvious". So explain how it was obvious. That isn't asking for much is it?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 7:01 PM ET
Provide an answer please.

You originally said What does it tell you that Niskanen wasn't replaced externally?

There could be several reasons he was not replaced externally could there not? So it could tell me a couple things. Yet you state it is "obvious". So explain how it was obvious. That isn't asking for much is it?

- Striiker


Yes, what are those several reasons?

I have provided all the answers necessary.
Striiker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.09.2020

Jan 20 @ 7:03 PM ET
Yes, what are those several reasons?

I have provided all the answers necessary.

- MJL

You have provided nothing of the sort. How is it obvious? Answer that and I will gladly give you several reasons.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 20 @ 7:03 PM ET
Man reading Charlie article over on the athletic about the 4 games in review. Gus is even worse than as bad as I thought he was. Myers sanheim is the only positive pairing for the entire season. Provy braun was a black hole. The analytics match the eye test for me. Im terrified to see this defense against these offenses coming up. I expect braun to bounce back. Provy sanheim to be your new top pair. Then what ? In a loaded east I dont think patience will be a virtue here.
- Tfaehner


I read the article also. I guess I really am “optimistic,” for a Flyers fan. I felt heard.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 20 @ 7:16 PM ET
Man reading Charlie article over on the athletic about the 4 games in review. Gus is even worse than as bad as I thought he was. Myers sanheim is the only positive pairing for the entire season. Provy braun was a black hole. The analytics match the eye test for me. Im terrified to see this defense against these offenses coming up. I expect braun to bounce back. Provy sanheim to be your new top pair. Then what ? In a loaded east I dont think patience will be a virtue here.
- Tfaehner



What metrics did he use to determine this?
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 20 @ 7:28 PM ET
What metrics did he use to determine this?
- MJL


Corsi exgf among other things. Controlled exits controlled entrances. Etc etc. Basically every stat and fancy stat. Plus the eye test which he includes his own opinion. He brings a ton of optimism but also the what if we don't improve question.

Also guys the website has frost updated as saying hes om the IR. Myers has no designation- yet.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Jan 20 @ 7:32 PM ET
any update on Myers or Frost? Ghost?
- Dkos



dead. arm aputated, on ventilator
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