With Coots out, I don’t think we can afford to keep a line with JVR and Voracek together. It was fine to give it some time when the Coots line could carry a big defensive load, not so much now.
- NC Flyers Fan

Jvr has been horrid, barely touched a puck in two games now.

I'm fine with all our picks and prospects. Jay Obrien was the only weird one imo. The rest were in the ballpark of analysts.

As far as last night id really like the flyers to hold gus accountable. While the team was bad as a whole. Gus stood out as horrifically bad. 2 straight games. You got rock steady smooth skating friedman sitting there. Give the kid a poop with hagg.
- Tfaehner

Yeah. I think the drafting has been solid overall. Above drafting.. anyone think that Hexy made a good call with Myers? I think he hit the mark there when literally EVERY other team passed.

AV holds guys accountable. He might be giving a longer leash knowing they had a shortened camp and no preseason tune ups. If we come out with a win tonight, I think we see less panic..

Yeah. I think the drafting has been solid overall. Above drafting.. anyone think that Hexy made a good call with Myers? I think he hit the mark there when literally EVERY other team passed.

AV holds guys accountable. He might be giving a longer leash knowing they had a shortened camp and no preseason tune ups. If we come out with a win tonight, I think we see less panic..
- Hextall271

I'm not panicked though I know the board clearly is. These games happen. Look at blues Colorado. They each laid an egg in their series. I just want gus out. Thats my only ask. His offense does not outweigh the defensive deficiencies. And hes making mistakes that claiming new team adjustments just dont justify. Hes sloppy with the puck. Hes passing into traffic. Hes getting caught on bad pinches.

I'm not panicked though I know the board clearly is. These games happen. Look at blues Colorado. They each laid an egg in their series. I just want gus out. Thats my only ask. His offense does not outweigh the defensive deficiencies. And hes making mistakes that claiming new team adjustments just dont justify. Hes sloppy with the puck. Hes passing into traffic. Hes getting caught on bad pinches.
- Tfaehner

Just have a good effort tonight and win the game, curious to see what goalie gets the start

Just have a good effort tonight and win the game, curious to see what goalie gets the start
- ClaudeFather

Av re-iterated it would be Elliot as planned

Av re-iterated it would be Elliot as planned
- Tfaehner

Thank you

I'm not panicked though I know the board clearly is. These games happen. Look at blues Colorado. They each laid an egg in their series. I just want gus out. Thats my only ask. His offense does not outweigh the defensive deficiencies. And hes making mistakes that claiming new team adjustments just dont justify. Hes sloppy with the puck. Hes passing into traffic. Hes getting caught on bad pinches.
- Tfaehner

I got ya. He was bad for sure. I’d surely be ok if av decides he needs to sit.

This game is more proof what a garbage GM Hextall was....all of his GREAT prospects...where are they? JVR AND VORACEK...ridiculous contracts....Almost 16 million tied between those two for several more years.

Sanheim over Pastrnak
Laberge over DeBrincat
Patrick over Makar and Heiskanen

Frost was supposed to be a superstar too.

Overhyped prospects....no where to be found!
- ClutchFlyer

6-1 losses always bring out the crazies.

This game is more proof what a garbage GM Hextall was....all of his GREAT prospects...where are they? JVR AND VORACEK...ridiculous contracts....Almost 16 million tied between those two for several more years.

Sanheim over Pastrnak
Laberge over DeBrincat
Patrick over Makar and Heiskanen


Frost was supposed to be a superstar too.

Overhyped prospects....no where to be found!
- ClutchFlyer

I could head over to hockeydb.com and re-do any draft and have the perfect fantasy team. I would say Boston would love to have picked any of Barzail, Connor, Chabot in the 2015 draft over Jakub Zboril at 13. Hell I am sure they wish they took Phil Myers at 13 that year when looking back.

Just have a good effort tonight and win the game, curious to see what goalie gets the start
- ClaudeFather

I figured it would be, and I am fine with it. Moose needs the work too.

They're going to lose games they should win on paper. The thing that is bothering me is that they've been getting caved in their own zone every game so far and the shot margin has been pretty bad. Not to mention the turnovers in the defensive end.

Flyers are only averaging 23 shots per game right now. That's 2nd worst. Giving up 34.7, that's 5th worst. If I'm remembering correctly they were near the top of the league in both last season. It's early enough to turn that around.

What I saw last night was the same old Flyers. Playing down to their competition. Losing the games they should win. Except the Flyers of the last couple years don’t have the bite the Flyers teams had 6 to 10 years ago when playing down to their competition. A team with Richards, Hartnell, Simmonds, Schenn, Gudas or Talbot would at least throw a big hit, stir up a fight or get kicked out of the game to show this wasn’t gonna happen again the next time they met.

This isn’t a “we don’t have Coots” thing or “this player isn’t doing that” thing. It’s a collective problem.

What I saw last night was the same old Flyers. Playing down to their competition. Losing the games they should win. Except the Flyers of the last couple years don’t have the bite the Flyers teams had 6 to 10 years ago when playing down to their competition. A team with Richards, Hartnell, Simmonds, Schenn, Gudas or Talbot would at least throw a big hit, stir up a fight or get kicked out of the game to show this wasn’t gonna happen again the next time they met.

This isn’t a “we don’t have Coots” thing or “this player isn’t doing that” thing. It’s a collective problem.
- SuperSchennBros

Tonight is a gutcheck game for them. They were thoroughly embarrassed last night. And with no practice and little turnaround time they only can fix what they think was the problem theoretically.

Lets see how they handle it. Will they wilt like they did in the bubble or come out crazy?

6-1 losses always bring out the crazies.
- MJL

I agree with you overall, I for one promised myself I was not going to overreact to yet another bad start to a season from this team, but the poster does make good points regarding Hextall and his drafting record. We thought of Hextall as a great drafter and organization builder, but he clearly missed the mark in a big way. Its one thing to miss on 2nd or 3rd rounder, but its another thing to not get your first round picks right, and not drafting Pastrnak and Makar are huge misses IMO. Now I know, no GM is perfect and many miss players, for example Braydon Point was drafted in the 3rd round, but this was supposed to be Hextall's MO, this strength, and honestly he missed way more than he hit. Things like this set a franchise back quite a bit. Look at Boston's 2015 draft, they had 3 first round picks in a row with players like Barzel, Connor and Chabot still on the board, and they whiffed on all 3 picks, and they paid the price by not winning another Championship given the strong team they have already. You can't miss on your number 1 picks, especially in the top half of the round. After that I agree its a crapshoot and I also agree some drafts are deeper than others.

I agree with you overall, I for one promised myself I was not going to overreact to yet another bad start to a season from this team, but the poster does make good points regarding Hextall and his drafting record. We thought of Hextall as a great drafter and organization builder, but he clearly missed the mark in a big way. Its one thing to miss on 2nd or 3rd rounder, but its another thing to not get your first round picks right, and not drafting Pastrnak and Makar are huge misses IMO. Now I know, no GM is perfect and many miss players, for example Braydon Point was drafted in the 3rd round, but this was supposed to be Hextall's MO, this strength, and honestly he missed way more than he hit. Things like this set a franchise back quite a bit. Look at Boston's 2015 draft, they had 3 first round picks in a row with players like Barzel, Connor and Chabot still on the board, and they whiffed on all 3 picks, and they paid the price by not winning another Championship given the strong team they have already. You can't miss on your number 1 picks, especially in the top half of the round. After that I agree its a crapshoot and I also agree some drafts are deeper than others.
- jd250

This is preposterous, who had Makar on their board over Patrick? Pasta was at 25 man, lot of misses there....

Tonight is a gutcheck game for them. They were thoroughly embarrassed last night. And with no practice and little turnaround time they only can fix what they think was the problem theoretically.

Lets see how they handle it. Will they wilt like they did in the bubble or come out crazy?
- MBFlyerfan

What concerns me is the Flyers are 3 games into the season and they have played 1 dominating period, the 3rd of game 1, so far. Game two the Flyers had energy, but just played sloppy, slow & stupid. However in this game, the Flyers were lifeless until mid way through the 2nd period when they got 3-0. I mean they made Buffalo look like the 90's New Jersey Devils with the lack of shots on goal never mind lack of good scoring chances. That is just lack of effort and that is not acceptable. I know last game AV said we was not going to apologize for his goalie being the best player, but this is what happens when you expect your goalie to bail you out over and over again. I thought the only player that was trying last night was Carter Hart, and that is not a good sign.

https://twitter.com/Hocke...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Gus is also just horrible.

https://twitter.com/Hocke...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

This is preposterous, who had Makar on their board over Patrick? Pasta was at 25 man, lot of misses there....
- ClaudeFather

A lot of people actually, Makar was rated the best defenseman in the draft and Patrick's stock was falling because of the injuries and uncertainty of his game. We think about the discussion we have been having on this board about who plays with Provorov, well, we wouldn't have this discussion right now if Makar or Hieskanen was drafted at number 2. Now I know Patrick has had bad luck and I am really rooting for him, but clearly right now Makar would be drafted number 1 if that draft was done over again. Its 20/20 hindsight, I know, but again this was supposed to be Hextall's strength, so its a valid second guess.

I agree with you overall, I for one promised myself I was not going to overreact to yet another bad start to a season from this team, but the poster does make good points regarding Hextall and his drafting record. We thought of Hextall as a great drafter and organization builder, but he clearly missed the mark in a big way. Its one thing to miss on 2nd or 3rd rounder, but its another thing to not get your first round picks right, and not drafting Pastrnak and Makar are huge misses IMO. Now I know, no GM is perfect and many miss players, for example Braydon Point was drafted in the 3rd round, but this was supposed to be Hextall's MO, this strength, and honestly he missed way more than he hit. Things like this set a franchise back quite a bit. Look at Boston's 2015 draft, they had 3 first round picks in a row with players like Barzel, Connor and Chabot still on the board, and they whiffed on all 3 picks, and they paid the price by not winning another Championship given the strong team they have already. You can't miss on your number 1 picks, especially in the top half of the round. After that I agree its a crapshoot and I also agree some drafts are deeper than others.
- jd250

Its ridiculous to single out one GM for not drafting a guy that 24 teams passed on or every team passed on and say he was terrible for doing something every other GM did.

A lot of people actually, Makar was rated the best defenseman in the draft and Patrick's stock was falling because of the injuries and uncertainty of his game. We think about the discussion we have been having on this board about who plays with Provorov, well, we wouldn't have been having that discussion right now if Makar or Hieskanen was drafted at number 2. Now I know Patrick has had bad luck and I am really rooting for him, but clearly right now Makar would be drafted number 1 if that draft was done over again. Its 20/20 hindsight, I know, but again this was supposed to be Hextall's strength, so its a valid second guess.
- jd250

His stock was NOT falling. He was the consensus top 2 pick on every draft board.

A lot of people actually, Makar was rated the best defenseman in the draft and Patrick's stock was falling because of the injuries and uncertainty of his game. We think about the discussion we have been having on this board about who plays with Provorov, well, we wouldn't have this discussion right now if Makar or Hieskanen was drafted at number 2. Now I know Patrick has had bad luck and I am really rooting for him, but clearly right now Makar would be drafted number 1 if that draft was done over again. Its 20/20 hindsight, I know, but again this was supposed to be Hextall's strength, so its a valid second guess.
- jd250

The ONLY chatter before the draft was who are we getting, Patrick or Hischier

https://twitter.com/HockeyStatsCZ/status/1351363318435504129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1351363318435504129%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
- Striiker

That pairing has been real bad

6-1 losses always bring out the crazies.
- MJL

I know it's a short season, but I want to give them 15 games before making any judgements. Coots gone isn't ideal, but I expect we can keep our head above water until he comes back and then we'll be fine. Remember how long it took for them to hit their stride last year? I don't expect that long this time, but it's not a light switch.

His stock was NOT falling. He was the consensus top 2 pick on every draft board.
- MBFlyerfan

If Patrick remains healthy and plays up to his ability he will be better than both heiskanen and hischier.