This is just silly. He can’t turn it off? Does he have Tourette’s? He just chooses to not turn it off. He’s a rich pro athlete that thinks that rules don’t apply to him. That being said, I am not offended by cursing and thought it was hilarious. I still think NBCSN, especially knowing Voracek’s lack of filter, screwed up letting it air. - Dkos
There was this part of it that also bothered me. Would he also use that language in a NHLPA conference call? With Dave Scott? I guarantee you he has a filter.
Without getting into justifying whether Sielski was accurate or not or what his motives were, the fact that this occurred a year after incident, and was unprovoked, and in a forum which is public and televised, and unequal in the sense that athletes can say what they like and get the wrist-slap of a fine while journos would lose their job if they retaliated in kind makes me believe that Jake was, at least subconsciously, both enacting revenge and pulling rank.
That, and the unprofessionalism, does bother me. I hope he gets a good hard fine. And sure, I am not personally bothered by the language.
Having watched this dude for a long time, I think he is a very good guy, and has great skills in some parts of his play, but I also think there is not much between his ears. Dude is as dumb as a post.
Make no mistake this Canadian would probably have done the same thing ...lol
I’m fine with a reporter talking about a performance but I can understand why Jake would have issue with a character shot when it really has been shown to be manufactured. Philly is tough enough on their athletes without exaggeration. Let’s hope it’s over a done with for Jakes sake...as a fan I want him focused on one thing and on thing only. (And I’m sure he is).
To me a reporter better be 100 % sure when he says something like that or he should expect blow back.
To do it publically helps Jake set the “public” record straight. - landros 2
I don't think you would have done it in a press conference.
Speaking of Canadians and Yanks and cultural stereotypes, it is interesting to me that Jake let it rip that way. While individual exceptions always exist, it is highly unlikley that a Swede would behave like that, or a Finn or an Austrian.
Jake has become too American and lost some of the better aspects of his background.
PT just a weird soy boy who thinks players have to be respectful to poopty journalists that write misleading stories attacking their character - Richieattack18
PT just had a magnificent pot roast sandwich.
Nothing amuses PT more than provoking posts like this by people like you.
I was not trolling, in case you are referring to me. I was quite serious. If I feel sufficiently serious about it tomorrow (unlikely), I will write a latter to the Flyers and the NHL asking for punitive action.
Darn, at least it happened two games into the season. Bill, will this require surgery? - Sublime55
A quick Google search suggests its an injury thwt heals on its own and just takes time. Which is why mri next week for progress. Granted I'm not dr and Google is Google.
AV never tells the media anything he hasn't already said to a player. Yes, AV was telling us that his top players needed to elevate their games -- save for the Lindblom-Couturier-Konecny line, which was sizzling hot. He had said the same thing in the team meeting that morning.
That day, he mentioned Giroux, Hayes, Voracek and JVR as all needing to play better. I think that may also have been the same day he said it was strictly a hockey assessment; he liked them all as people but needed a little for them as players. None of the players were upset about it. They agreed with it when asked the next day, including Voracek.
"Chewing out" is an exaggeration. AV was speaking calmly and matter-of-factly. Voracek and JVR were on the other side of the room, having a normal conversation. It really wasn't a big deal.
Even if a team isn't playing well, players aren't in hockey mode 24/7. The time to be serious is in the meeting about how the team is playing and then on the ice after practice. Once you're out of uniform, skates off, etc. you're just a regular person again. - bmeltzer
So Bill, AV was speaking. And Voracek was chatting and laughing with a teammate during the talk.
What's your definition of indifference? Seems like Jake was just that during the talk.
More to the point, what is the great sin Sielski committed? Seems it could have been a misunderstanding.
AV never tells the media anything he hasn't already said to a player. Yes, AV was telling us that his top players needed to elevate their games -- save for the Lindblom-Couturier-Konecny line, which was sizzling hot. He had said the same thing in the team meeting that morning.
That day, he mentioned Giroux, Hayes, Voracek and JVR as all needing to play better. I think that may also have been the same day he said it was strictly a hockey assessment; he liked them all as people but needed a little for them as players. None of the players were upset about it. They agreed with it when asked the next day, including Voracek.
"Chewing out" is an exaggeration. AV was speaking calmly and matter-of-factly. Voracek and JVR were on the other side of the room, having a normal conversation. It really wasn't a big deal.
Even if a team isn't playing well, players aren't in hockey mode 24/7. The time to be serious is in the meeting about how the team is playing and then on the ice after practice. Once you're out of uniform, skates off, etc. you're just a regular person again. - bmeltzer
I think the confusion is that AV was NOT speaking to the players, he was addressing the media when Jake was seen/heard laughing from across the room.
I think the confusion is that AV was NOT speaking to the players, he was addressing the media when Jake was seen/heard laughing from across the room. - cdearth23
Very good point, which is relevant if true.
Just seems like a mountain out of a molehill.
My reaction was also, frankly, a carry-over from the echo of some recent times, more in the national domain, regarding treatment of journalists in public (I need hardly elaborate).
I think journalists are a valuable resource, and I would like to see a bit more respect for that profession that is often thankless.
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Jan 16 @ 2:25 PM ET
It's a ribcage issue. Will heal on its own. Estimate is two weeks but could be longer. - bmeltzer
I’ve had it a couple of times....just hurts a lot for the first few days. Then it calms down. Hopefully he’s back to start February. Not overly serious, just takes a bit to heal. You come back to quickly and you could aggravate it.
If that was normal behavior we wouldn’t all be discussing it now.
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Jan 16 @ 2:29 PM ET
Very good point, which is relevant if true.
Just seems like a mountain out of a molehill.
My reaction was also, frankly, a carry-over from the echo of some recent times, more in the national domain, regarding treatment of journalists in public (I need hardly elaborate).
I think journalists are a valuable resource, and I would like to see a bit more respect for that profession that is often thankless. - PT21
So Bill, AV was speaking. And Voracek was chatting and laughing with a teammate during the talk.
What's your definition of indifference? Seems like Jake was just that during the talk.
More to the point, what is the great sin Sielski committed? Seems it could have been a misunderstanding. - PT21
My definition of indifference: If we had interviewed Voracek the next day, asked him for a comment on AV's assessment and he rolled his eyes or tried to stifle a grin (and I've seen that with some players, although not under the current coach), indifference would be the message no matter what words the player said.
By the time the coach is talking to the media in the locker room after practice, the players who haven't already left are done with their own media availability just go about their business: chat with one another or the equipment guys, check their text messages, head off to take a shower, or whatever. They're on their own time at this point.
Mike isn't some newbie reporter. He knows the flow of a typical practice day, and he's been around plenty of locker rooms.
