You mean the goalie? Sorry, it wasn't very clear*.

(trying to keep up)
- mjones242

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Your comment about goalies having the best #s infront of the best Ds was ludicrous. Connor Hallebuyck was the NHLs best goalie last season. They lost Buff and Trouba and were terrible.
- RogerRoeper

But they have reliable fwds, and are well coached. Scheifele is a stud. The forwards get back and help out the D.

Im not trying to take anything away from Hellebuyck, he's better than freddy.

Washington’s big four:

- Ovechkin
- Backstrom
- Semin
- Green

When they finally won the Cup only two were still there.


Bye Marner and Rielly.
- Steven_Seagull

Moving Marner is idiotic.

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- mr.sir

It didn't help when your post was at the very top of a new page.

I haven't had my coffee yet.

etc.

Washington’s big four:

- Ovechkin
- Backstrom
- Semin
- Green

When they finally won the Cup only two were still there.


Bye Marner and Rielly.
- Steven_Seagull

Time to revisit the CBJ trade 🤔

But they have reliable fwds, and are well coached. Scheifele is a stud. The forwards get back and help out the D.

Im not trying to take anything away from Hellebuyck, he's better than freddy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

There are some horrible coaches you just named there including our ex coach, Paul Maurice..

There are some horrible coaches you just named there including our ex coach, Paul Maurice..
- RogerRoeper

He's a great coach.

Moving Marner is idiotic.
- RogerRoeper

Yup.

He's a great coach.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Jets fans want him fired. Leafs fired him. He was awful

But they have reliable fwds, and are well coached. Scheifele is a stud. The forwards get back and help out the D.

Im not trying to take anything away from Hellebuyck, he's better than freddy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Their top 6 forwards are worse defensively than the leafs, much worse. They do not get back to help the D.

Ask anyone who follows the Jets or look at all the stats, the Jets top 6 have one of the worse defensive stats in the league.

Stop spewing bs.

I can’t wait until Marner if off the team.

Moving Marner is idiotic.
- RogerRoeper

No it isn't. Who else are you going to move if things blow up in their faces again this year? He makes 10.8 million dollars. You aren't moving Matthews. You aren't moving the Captain you signed to a FA deal. And you (shouldn't) move Nylander at 6.9 before Marner.

No it isn't. Who else are you going to move if things blow up in their faces again this year? He makes 10.8 million dollars. You aren't moving Matthews. You aren't moving the Captain you signed to a FA deal. And you (shouldn't) move Nylander at 6.9 before Marner.
- PlatosRepucklic

He's a great coach.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Is he? 7 years in WPG and he's missed the playoffs 3x, lost 3x in the first round, and had one solid playoff run where they lost in the Conference Finals to VGK.

Decent? Sure. "Great"? Nah.

No it isn't. Who else are you going to move if things blow up in their faces again this year? He makes 10.8 million dollars. You aren't moving Matthews. You aren't moving the Captain you signed to a FA deal. And you (shouldn't) move Nylander at 6.9 before Marner.
- PlatosRepucklic

We'\ll trade him and see him hit 100+ points in a season. You are getting so carried away about his cap hit you are forgetting his is signed through his prime years and is proven 90+ point forward.

Notice no teams ever trade players like this? Why is it?

Their top 6 forwards are worse defensively than the leafs, much worse. They do not get back to help the D.

Ask anyone who follows the Jets or look at all the stats, the Jets top 6 have one of the worse defensive stats in the league.

Stop spewing bs.
- Santo_44

Ur such a tweaker

No it isn't. Who else are you going to move if things blow up in their faces again this year? He makes 10.8 million dollars. You aren't moving Matthews. You aren't moving the Captain you signed to a FA deal. And you (shouldn't) move Nylander at 6.9 before Marner.
- PlatosRepucklic

Nylander would be the easiest piece to move. How many teams want to take on that MM 10.8M contract?

I think BillNy has one of the best value deals in the league but you aren't moving AM34, JT, or MM. You just aren't.

Is he? 7 years in WPG and he's missed the playoffs 3x, lost 3x in the first round, and had one solid playoff run where they lost in the Conference Finals to VGK.

Decent? Sure. "Great"? Nah.
- mjones242

And he didn't do much anywhere else. I'm shocked he wasn't fired sooner in Carolina and they won the cup not long after booting him.

His coaching record is horrific.

Nylander would be the easiest piece to move. How many teams want to take on that MM 10.8M contract?

I think BillNy has one of the best value deals in the league but you aren't moving AM34, JT, or MM. You just aren't.
- mjones242

Marner makes 7.5 in cash. That's a big + to acquiering him. Teams will line-up for him

Ur such a tweaker
- Arctic_AARDVARK

He's right, There's a lot of one dimensional forwards on Winnipeg and that D is horrible.

We'\ll trade him and see him hit 100+ points in a season. You are getting so carried away about his cap hit you are forgetting his is signed through his prime years and is proven 90+ point forward.

Notice no teams ever trade players like this? Why is it?
- RogerRoeper

Plenty of Star players better than Marner have been traded in, or entering their primes. The Leafs even have one on the team now.

The fact remains, if they decide things aren't working and they have to move one of the "Big 4" who do you move? He's the logical choice

And he didn't do much anywhere else. I'm shocked he wasn't fired sooner in Carolina and they won the cup not long after booting him.

His coaching record is horrific.
- RogerRoeper

Yup!

He still has that miracle Carolina run where they lost to DET on his resume that seems to wash out all of the "Missed Playoffs" seasons.

I'd much rather see what Keefe can do for a season than start entertaining coaches who haven't won jack poop in 20+ years in the NHL.

Nylander would be the easiest piece to move. How many teams want to take on that MM 10.8M contract?

I think BillNy has one of the best value deals in the league but you aren't moving AM34, JT, or MM. You just aren't.
- mjones242

When we talk about the intangibles the Leafs are missing... The lack of battling, attention to defence, hitting, blocking shots..

Willy is the poster child for all these things. I know fans only see the goals, but his game is lacking in many aspects. GM's see these things. Huberdeau probably has one of the best contracts. MacKinnon, PLD, Pastrnak, Kucherov...

Marner makes 7.5 in cash. That's a big + to acquiering him. Teams will line-up for him
- RogerRoeper

Ahh... very good point.

Still, the AAV makes things a bit more difficult to navigate.

Plenty of Star players better than Marner have been traded in, or entering their primes. The Leafs even have one on the team now.

The fact remains, if they decide things aren't working and they have to move one of the "Big 4" who do you move? He's the logical choice
- PlatosRepucklic

Who? Thornton was, he was only 26. Seguin was traded, but wasn't established in the same, and Hall was. All of those were horrible trades.