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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 8:55 AM ET
Nvm that idiot.


- PT21


It must be awful for you to realize that you can't do anything to refute or counter the comments of someone you claim is an idiot. What a blow to your psyche. It must be terrible for someone who thinks he is a scholar and an academic. A person who is a filter of information for others to decide for them what they should believe and read due to not being able to do it for themselves as you've claimed.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 11:01 AM ET
For those who claim there is no evidence of voter fraud. Here is a short video of data analysis by an independent non-partisan firm that shows through data analysis that the vote data certified by the state of Georgia is fraudulent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiyAy9vjrk
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 9 @ 12:10 PM ET
For those who claim there is no evidence of voter fraud. Here is a short video of data analysis by an independent non-partisan firm that shows through data analysis that the vote data certified by the state of Georgia is fraudulent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiyAy9vjrk

- MJL


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 12:21 PM ET
Here is another video where a forensics document expert testifying to the Georgia State Senate details the difference between a ballot sent to a D area and a ballot sent to an R area differs and how they beat the software and vote counting machines to affect the election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHu1gBF0gmI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evp_eUpghXg


Uninformed posters such as PT21, Tomahawk and Feanor continue to spout nonsense that there is no evidence. I have hours and hours of evidence and documentation that I can link to.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 12:58 PM ET
Here, Mark Levin, a constitutional scholar explains how 4 battleground states illegally made an end around the state legislature to change election laws in violation of the constitution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i4rYF0CMwg
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 9 @ 2:00 PM ET

- bloatedmosquito


One of the interesting things about these guys on the Internet, admittedly not quite as obstinate as MJL, is that they are clearly unfamiliar with the most rudimentary of statistical concepts. They are also unfamiliar with any idea of how to do research, such as what kind of information to use, and from where, and to avoid even the most elementary of errors, such as the kind you pointed out regarding his sources.

We all have our knowledge gaps. I have little idea of many elementary things of junior hockey, for example. I lack anything remotely like the knowledge of Hockey's history that many here have.

But I don't go chasing obscure sources that contradict the mainstream, and then believe I am good enough to understand the nuances of why they are to be preferred over what the overwhelming mainstream says, given my own fundamental knowledge gaps. I don't think the use of logic itself is a giant elitist conspiracy to keep me down. I don't think that spending endless hours arguing with other people on the Internet about these things changes anything except brand me as an idiot and a loser. If I cared enough, I would start with the mainstream, and then work my way to alternatives once I had enough knowledge. This will take a lot of hard work and humility.

After the initial shock of Florida and after the suburban results from around the country started to come in from late November 3, this election started to follow a trend that never deviated. I am qualified in this field, and I was up all night following results and analysis. Numerous well-known experts called it far before the national media did. It was extremely accurate with predictions in outcome (though the margin of outcome was overestimated). No credible statistician has found any error or anomaly that has been reported anywhere. Endless courts of all persuasions have not just rejected the briefs, they have not even been found worthy to be heard. Votes have been double counted and even triple counted. The company (Dominion) that was the target of many claims about fraud threatened to sue Fox and ONN for their claims and these companies very quickly changed their tunes and issued cringing retractions. They are now suing Hannity and assorted RW trash, and trust me, they are going to win hefty settlements.

Trump supporters believe that they are condescended to, people call them stupid. Everyone deserves to be heard, but there is a limit! One cannot play wack-a-mole with wackos forever simply because they believe that holding a chip on their shoulder and arguing non-stop is a way of getting attention.

At some point, those among them who have some reason left need to make a choice whether they want to continue to follow a cult and be progressively marginalized in every way in life, or do the hard work of engagement with logic and reason. All of life cannot grind to a halt because losers cannot grow up and stop throwing intellectual and physical tantrums about their lot in life.

That said, I am outta here.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 9 @ 4:30 PM ET
One of the interesting things about these guys on the Internet, admittedly not quite as obstinate as MJL, is that they are clearly unfamiliar with the most rudimentary of statistical concepts. They are also unfamiliar with any idea of how to do research, such as what kind of information to use, and from where, and to avoid even the most elementary of errors, such as the kind you pointed out regarding his sources.

We all have our knowledge gaps. I have little idea of many elementary things of junior hockey, for example. I lack anything remotely like the knowledge of Hockey's history that many here have.

But I don't go chasing obscure sources that contradict the mainstream, and then believe I am good enough to understand the nuances of why they are to be preferred over what the overwhelming mainstream says, given my own fundamental knowledge gaps. I don't think the use of logic itself is a giant elitist conspiracy to keep me down. I don't think that spending endless hours arguing with other people on the Internet about these things changes anything except brand me as an idiot and a loser. If I cared enough, I would start with the mainstream, and then work my way to alternatives once I had enough knowledge. This will take a lot of hard work and humility.

After the initial shock of Florida and after the suburban results from around the country started to come in from late November 3, this election started to follow a trend that never deviated. I am qualified in this field, and I was up all night following results and analysis. Numerous well-known experts called it far before the national media did. It was extremely accurate with predictions in outcome (though the margin of outcome was overestimated). No credible statistician has found any error or anomaly that has been reported anywhere. Endless courts of all persuasions have not just rejected the briefs, they have not even been found worthy to be heard. Votes have been double counted and even triple counted. The company (Dominion) that was the target of many claims about fraud threatened to sue Fox and ONN for their claims and these companies very quickly changed their tunes and issued cringing retractions. They are now suing Hannity and assorted RW trash, and trust me, they are going to win hefty settlements.

Trump supporters believe that they are condescended to, people call them stupid. Everyone deserves to be heard, but there is a limit! One cannot play wack-a-mole with wackos forever simply because they believe that holding a chip on their shoulder and arguing non-stop is a way of getting attention.

At some point, those among them who have some reason left need to make a choice whether they want to continue to follow a cult and be progressively marginalized in every way in life, or do the hard work of engagement with logic and reason. All of life cannot grind to a halt because losers cannot grow up and stop throwing intellectual and physical tantrums about their lot in life.

That said, I am outta here.

- PT21


I applaud you sir, bravo!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:42 PM ET
One of the interesting things about these guys on the Internet, admittedly not quite as obstinate as MJL, is that they are clearly unfamiliar with the most rudimentary of statistical concepts. They are also unfamiliar with any idea of how to do research, such as what kind of information to use, and from where, and to avoid even the most elementary of errors, such as the kind you pointed out regarding his sources.

We all have our knowledge gaps. I have little idea of many elementary things of junior hockey, for example. I lack anything remotely like the knowledge of Hockey's history that many here have.

But I don't go chasing obscure sources that contradict the mainstream, and then believe I am good enough to understand the nuances of why they are to be preferred over what the overwhelming mainstream says, given my own fundamental knowledge gaps. I don't think the use of logic itself is a giant elitist conspiracy to keep me down. I don't think that spending endless hours arguing with other people on the Internet about these things changes anything except brand me as an idiot and a loser. If I cared enough, I would start with the mainstream, and then work my way to alternatives once I had enough knowledge. This will take a lot of hard work and humility.

After the initial shock of Florida and after the suburban results from around the country started to come in from late November 3, this election started to follow a trend that never deviated. I am qualified in this field, and I was up all night following results and analysis. Numerous well-known experts called it far before the national media did. It was extremely accurate with predictions in outcome (though the margin of outcome was overestimated). No credible statistician has found any error or anomaly that has been reported anywhere. Endless courts of all persuasions have not just rejected the briefs, they have not even been found worthy to be heard. Votes have been double counted and even triple counted. The company (Dominion) that was the target of many claims about fraud threatened to sue Fox and ONN for their claims and these companies very quickly changed their tunes and issued cringing retractions. They are now suing Hannity and assorted RW trash, and trust me, they are going to win hefty settlements.

Trump supporters believe that they are condescended to, people call them stupid. Everyone deserves to be heard, but there is a limit! One cannot play wack-a-mole with wackos forever simply because they believe that holding a chip on their shoulder and arguing non-stop is a way of getting attention.

At some point, those among them who have some reason left need to make a choice whether they want to continue to follow a cult and be progressively marginalized in every way in life, or do the hard work of engagement with logic and reason. All of life cannot grind to a halt because losers cannot grow up and stop throwing intellectual and physical tantrums about their lot in life.

That said, I am outta here.

- PT21


I didn't think it was possible to post 6 paragraphs and say nothing but you actually accomplished that. You haven't actually challenged what was given by actual statistical data experts because you can't. Like pretty much every far left liberal schmuck, you just made general claims with no substance. Anointed yourself an expert but didn't actually challenge the proof offered. You're probably one of the same kooks who said Hannity was wrong about the Russia collusion investigation. We all know how that turned out. Dominion isn't going to win spit. They're going to be exposed for the criminality they have committed and for lying to an entire country.

One of the data scientists worked as a data analyst for the CIA, yet you claim doesn't have a rudimentary understanding of statistics. They were testifying in front of a state Senate committee. They weren't some guys on the internet you buffoon! As if they would have someone without expertise testifying. You couldn't be more full of poop PT21! The information I posted today is not right wing. It is non partisan. It is not a familiar pattern in an election to have one candidate winning by thousands of votes and then a short time later losing big! LOL. You're an idiot. It is also not a familiar pattern to have one candidate win numerous counties by over 90%. Yet you claim to understand stats.
You claim it's whack-a-mole yet you keep responding. You've provided zero content. You wrote what amounts to be toilet paper.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 9 @ 4:54 PM ET
I applaud you sir, bravo!
- bloatedmosquito


Well done applauding 6 paragraphs of bull poop. I enjoy snowflakes melting.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 10 @ 1:36 PM ET
Well done applauding 6 paragraphs of bull poop. I enjoy snowflakes melting.

- MJL


Speaking of melting, so is your country’s democracy due to right-wing corruption.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 10 @ 2:16 PM ET
Speaking of melting, so is your country’s democracy due to right-wing corruption.


- bloatedmosquito



Right win corruption! That's hysterical. You're embarrassing yourself.

Here is more for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mH9X4jQT8

A perfect example is that one of the election officials in Georgia claimed on TV that out of a batch of 113,000 ballots, he adjudicated 106,000 ballots. We know when he said that in a timeframe. About the quickest a single ballot can be adjudicated is about 30 seconds. Doing the math, adjudicating that many ballots would take over 800 man hours. At the time he did that, it is impossible to have been done. Not enough physical time. It was a fabricated lie. We also know from eyewitness testimony under oath, that both sides were not represented in adjudications.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 10 @ 5:21 PM ET
Right win corruption! That's hysterical. You're embarrassing yourself.

Here is more for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mH9X4jQT8

A perfect example is that one of the election officials in Georgia claimed on TV that out of a batch of 113,000 ballots, he adjudicated 106,000 ballots. We know when he said that in a timeframe. About the quickest a single ballot can be adjudicated is about 30 seconds. Doing the math, adjudicating that many ballots would take over 800 man hours. At the time he did that, it is impossible to have been done. Not enough physical time. It was a fabricated lie. We also know from eyewitness testimony under oath, that both sides were not represented in adjudications.

- MJL


So...
States trump/republicans won = election officials got it right
States trump/republicans lost = mass fraud

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 10 @ 6:30 PM ET
So...
States trump/republicans won = election officials got it right
States trump/republicans lost = mass fraud


- bloatedmosquito


You're continuing to embarrass yourself. You're free to provide any evidence you choose to and I'll look at it.


bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 10 @ 11:50 PM ET
You're continuing to embarrass yourself. You're free to provide any evidence you choose to and I'll look at it.
- MJL


It’s obvious that you don’t know what evidence means. You’re confusing that word with propaganda. Case in point, your latest link. That YouTube video is from The Epoch Times.

The Epoch Times is a nonprofit “news outlet” that has spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months, that’s more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself.

Now, this “news outlet” you are quoting is a Chinese newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong religious movement. It’s part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television. It’s motives are questionable at best.

It’s so sad that you have let yourself be controlled like a puppet. You should learn to be an independent thinker for your own mental health and well-being.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 9:06 AM ET
It’s obvious that you don’t know what evidence means. You’re confusing that word with propaganda. Case in point, your latest link. That YouTube video is from The Epoch Times.

The Epoch Times is a nonprofit “news outlet” that has spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months, that’s more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself.

Now, this “news outlet” you are quoting is a Chinese newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong religious movement. It’s part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television. It’s motives are questionable at best.

It’s so sad that you have let yourself be controlled like a puppet. You should learn to be an independent thinker for your own mental health and well-being.

- bloatedmosquito


This is a typical brain dead idiotic liberal response. Asinine claims that I don't know what evidence is and attempting to discredit the source. Meanwhile ignoring the actual meat of the link. Which is the data! The data does not lie. The data is available publicly. You have zero credibility.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 11 @ 2:44 PM ET
This is a typical brain dead idiotic liberal response. Asinine claims that I don't know what evidence is and attempting to discredit the source. Meanwhile ignoring the actual meat of the link. Which is the data! The data does not lie. The data is available publicly. You have zero credibility.
- MJL


Name calling? Are you melting snowflake?

Now that people are looking closely at American election process, there’s mounting evidence that there was voter suppression in Georgia. But it was actually Republican voter suppression efforts against black Georgians. The ACLU of Georgia revealed 198,000 voters had been wrongly purged from the voting rolls, majority black and Democratic. Hmmm...

Here is a totally non-bias article about that. I’m sure will have no problem with the source based on your response above:

https://www.democracynow....1/1/5/greg_palast_georgia
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:19 PM ET
Name calling? Are you melting snowflake?

Now that people are looking closely at American election process, there’s mounting evidence that there was voter suppression in Georgia. But it was actually Republican voter suppression efforts against black Georgians. The ACLU of Georgia revealed 198,000 voters had been wrongly purged from the voting rolls, majority black and Democratic. Hmmm...

Here is a totally non-bias article about that. I’m sure will have no problem with the source based on your response above:

https://www.democracynow....1/1/5/greg_palast_georgia

- bloatedmosquito


What was the minority vote totals in the election among minorities in Georgia?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 7:43 PM ET
Former Michigan state senator Patrick Colbeck testified on the numerical anomalies in Arizona’s election results. He said the results violate Benford's Law and a linear regression shows a pattern of vote manipulation, which shows that these results need to be investigated.

He also said the Dominion voting machines were built to be a part of a network and were connected to the internet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27zmFrtIVLg

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 8:32 PM ET
More evidence of voter fraud in Georgia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWT2OkspLk
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 12 @ 1:53 AM ET
More evidence of voter fraud in Georgia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWT2OkspLk

- MJL


Both links are to New Tang Dynasty Television pieces? Not even American. Canadian Chinese broadcasting company. Talk about foreign interests playing you like a fool.

Why are you so easily manipulated?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 8:58 AM ET
Both links are to New Tang Dynasty Television pieces? Not even American. Canadian Chinese broadcasting company. Talk about foreign interests playing you like a fool.

Why are you so easily manipulated?

- bloatedmosquito



You keep making posts like this and ignore the content. That takes a special kind of stupid.
They aren't produced by any broadcasting company. It is footage of official under oath testimony in front of government entities such as state government.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 13 @ 2:23 AM ET
You keep making posts like this and ignore the content. That takes a special kind of stupid.
They aren't produced by any broadcasting company. It is footage of official under oath testimony in front of government entities such as state government.

- MJL


Good grief.

Patrick Colbeck has been spouting his nonsense to anybody who will listen and time after time he had been shut down because it’s all BS.

For example, his claim that tabulator machines were improperly connected to the internet, making them possible to hack.

He stated this happened in Michigan. In reality, Michigan uses paper ballots, which are then counted by tabulator machines. The machines are not connected to the internet. Again so you are clear, tabulation machines are not connected to the internet. The machines are networked locally to each other.

These claims were dismissed by Judge Timothy Kenny, who wrote: “No evidence supports Mr. Colbeck’s position.”

If you choose to be educated you will learn. Otherwise you’ll continue to be a puppet. Do you understand lambchop?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 13 @ 9:32 AM ET
Good grief.

Patrick Colbeck has been spouting his nonsense to anybody who will listen and time after time he had been shut down because it’s all BS.

For example, his claim that tabulator machines were improperly connected to the internet, making them possible to hack.

He stated this happened in Michigan. In reality, Michigan uses paper ballots, which are then counted by tabulator machines. The machines are not connected to the internet. Again so you are clear, tabulation machines are not connected to the internet. The machines are networked locally to each other.

These claims were dismissed by Judge Timothy Kenny, who wrote: “No evidence supports Mr. Colbeck’s position.”

If you choose to be educated you will learn. Otherwise you’ll continue to be a puppet. Do you understand lambchop?

- bloatedmosquito



All states use paper ballots for mail in voting. LOL. There are numerous experts that provide expert testimony on how the Dominion software can be manipulated. There are numerous experts who have testified under oath that this judge is wrong. Judges can ignore evidence. There were no evidentiary hearings in the lawsuits.

You also failed to disseminate the information I supplied to you previously. How the paper ballots used, manipulated software. An expert testified about this under oath. You are uninformed.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 13 @ 6:05 PM ET
All states use paper ballots for mail in voting. LOL. There are numerous experts that provide expert testimony on how the Dominion software can be manipulated. There are numerous experts who have testified under oath that this judge is wrong. Judges can ignore evidence. There were no evidentiary hearings in the lawsuits.

You also failed to disseminate the information I supplied to you previously. How the paper ballots used, manipulated software. An expert testified about this under oath. You are uninformed.

- MJL


Judges don’t ignore evidence. That’s why they are judges. Their job is to make sure evidence is judged under trial. you have no clue.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 13 @ 6:28 PM ET
Judges don’t ignore evidence. That’s why they are judges. Their job is to make sure evidence is judged under trial. you have no clue.
- bloatedmosquito


You're naïve and uninformed.
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