Anyone see Maurice’s comments on Heinola? Sounds a lot like he’s already got him pencilled in with the Moose. Literally said he doesn’t want to commit to anything on Heinola until the AHL figures it’s sh*t out so he doesn’t sit around on the taxi squad.

I genuinely cannot stand Paul Maurice anymore. He has to be out of his f*cking mind to watch Heinola play at all in the last few months and not realize he’s already in our top 3

Anyone see Maurice’s comments on Heinola? Sounds a lot like he’s already got him pencilled in with the Moose. Literally said he doesn’t want to commit to anything on Heinola until the AHL figures it’s sh*t out so he doesn’t sit around on the taxi squad.

I genuinely cannot stand Paul Maurice anymore. He has to be out of his f*cking mind to watch Heinola play at all in the last few months and not realize he’s already in our top 3
- Rexypoo

Does Heinola's ELC slide if he goes to the Moose or only if he goes back to Finland?

Does Heinola's ELC slide if he goes to the Moose or only if he goes back to Finland?
- JetFuel

Yes.

But he’s far too good on a Jets team with almost nothing on the blueline and an aging core for his slide status to even be a consideration.

Really , because if there were no cap , I would fall over myself to trade another five 3rd round picks for a defense full of Josh Morrissey. Heck, I'd trade five-2nd- rounders. He's worth $6 MM all day long.
- jetsnation

And that is good for you. Unfortunately only 5 teams in the NHL can afford to take that cap hit at the moment. I like Morrissey, and consider him the anchor and most consistant D on the Jets roster. That being said, when compared to the D on the market and what they signed for, no way would Morrissey command the same money today. Career high 31 points doesn't generate a ton of excitement, and certainly won't garner many trade offers. Morrissey is a solid top 4 D, but not a true 1D, which is what commands north of 6M in todays market. Look at Barrie and Gustafsson. Both under 4M, 1 year deals, and 2 years removed of 60+ point seasons. Vats for 2M. The UFA market crashed hard.

And that is good for you. Unfortunately only 5 teams in the NHL can afford to take that cap hit at the moment. I like Morrissey, and consider him the anchor and most consistant D on the Jets roster. That being said, when compared to the D on the market and what they signed for, no way would Morrissey command the same money today. Career high 31 points doesn't generate a ton of excitement, and certainly won't garner many trade offers. Morrissey is a solid top 4 D, but not a true 1D, which is what commands north of 6M in todays market. Look at Barrie and Gustafsson. Both under 4M, 1 year deals, and 2 years removed of 60+ point seasons. Vats for 2M. The UFA market crashed hard.
- bikeguy99

E.Gustafsson and Barrie are defensive liabilities though, Morrissey was signed pre Covid changed the cap situation in the league plus Morrissey signed for 8 years which always drives the AAV up, comparing Morrissey's deal to those two and Vatanen's makes no sense, different type of dmen and different signing situations, if the Jets made Morrissey available there'd be plenty of interested teams.

E.Gustafsson and Barrie are defensive liabilities though, Morrissey was signed pre Covid changed the cap situation in the league plus Morrissey signed for 8 years which always drives the AAV up, comparing Morrissey's deal to those two and Vatanen's makes no sense, different type of dmen and different signing situations, if the Jets made Morrissey available there'd be plenty of interested teams.
- JetFuel

*whispers* Morrissey was the worst of the players mentioned here last season

Looks like Uncle Lou has set himself up for failure on the heels of giving a 31 year old 4th liner a 4 year deal.

The nature of this Mat Barzal bridge deal is such that his next qualifying offer will be 8.4mil, and if he decides to accept it, he will walk directly into free agency

*whispers* Morrissey was the worst of the players mentioned here last season
- Rexypoo

*whispers* none of those guys were paired with a rookie partner on a D core that lost 4 of 6 regular dmen from the prior season and again those players contracts were signed in completely different situations.

I guess Keefe is as bad as Maurice.
Adding Thornton, Simmons, Bogosian, and keeping Spezza, is good for developing young players ?

I guess Keefe is as bad as Maurice.
Adding Thornton, Simmons, Bogosian, and keeping Spezza, is good for developing young players ?
- bennythehat

Are you really trying to compare the signings of guys who were two of the best players of their era(Thorton, Spezza) to two guys who were 4th liners in their primes(Thompson, Lewis)?

*whispers* none of those guys were paired with a rookie partner on a D core that lost 4 of 6 regular dmen from the prior season and again those players contracts were signed in completely different situations.
- JetFuel

Tucker Poolman is a month younger than Dylan DeMelo.

Morrissey was also almost exclusively paired with Trouba for the last 2 seasons before this one, so of the 2 NHL defencemen we lost after 18-19 (Buff and Trouba), only 1 matters here.
You’re either suggesting Trouba is responsible for Morrissey’s previous success (and contract), or you’re making excuses to avoid admitting Morrissey was bad and needs to be better.
Top level defencemen don’t need good partners to perform, but they should have them anyway so the team is better. Look at Byfuglien’s rotating cast of fringe partners: Clitsome, Pardy, Chairot, Morrow, etc. He never faltered like that.

Are you really trying to compare the signings of guys who were two of the best players of their era(Thorton, Spezza) to two guys who were 4th liners in their primes(Thompson, Lewis)?
- JetFuel

Don’t care if they signed Messier and Gretzky, they are still taking up spots that a young prospect could have

Tucker Poolman is a month younger than Dylan DeMelo.

Morrissey was also almost exclusively paired with Trouba for the last 2 seasons before this one, so of the 2 NHL defencemen we lost after 18-19 (Buff and Trouba), only 1 matters here.
You’re either suggesting Trouba is responsible for Morrissey’s previous success (and contract), or you’re making excuses to avoid admitting Morrissey was bad and needs to be better.
Top level defencemen don’t need good partners to perform, but they should have them anyway so the team is better. Look at Byfuglien’s rotating cast of fringe partners: Clitsome, Pardy, Chairot, Morrow, etc. He never faltered like that.
- Rexypoo

Holy fu*k I never realized Byfuglien is/was better then Morrissey, how could I not of seen that.. 😂

I'm not making any excuses, Morrissey wasn't as good as he was with a better D partner then he had prior but that wasn't the point, comparing his contract to that of guys who were signed at completely different times in completely different situations was, really need to stay on topic dude.

Don’t care if they signed Messier and Gretzky, they are still taking up spots that a young prospect could have
- bennythehat

Maybe Toronto doesn't have any forward prospects that are NHL ready, think that
Travis Boyd was a sneaky good signing by Dubas.
Don't know why Toronto's free agent signings have anything to do with the Jets.

Holy fu*k I never realized Byfuglien is/was better then Morrissey, how could I not of seen that.. 😂

I'm not making any excuses, Morrissey wasn't as good as he was with a better D partner then he had prior but that wasn't the point, comparing his contract to that of guys who were signed at completely different times in completely different situations was, really need to stay on topic dude.
- JetFuel

I trailed off a bit. My bad.
At the time of signing, Morrissey’s deal was just fine. This is true. However, he took a huge and inexplicable step back last season. In the way that his impact on other players also fell off, which is the main concern. You can have a drop on a worse team, but being visibly less intelligent on the ice is a huge red flag to me. It also gives me hope he can bounce back, as it is so random.

I trailed off a bit. My bad.
At the time of signing, Morrissey’s deal was just fine. This is true. However, he took a huge and inexplicable step back last season. In the way that his impact on other players also fell off, which is the main concern. You can have a drop on a worse team, but being visibly less intelligent on the ice is a huge red flag to me. It also gives me hope he can bounce back, as it is so random.
- Rexypoo

Pretty sure I heard JoMo interviewed a little while ago before training camp started and he said the extended time off gave him time to rehab an injury or train properly or something, he did seem to be nursing an injury at times last season, hopefully he rebounds, I'm not worried about it myself though, think it's pretty low down the list of worries for this club.

Maybe Toronto doesn't have any forward prospects that are NHL ready, think that
Travis Boyd was a sneaky good signing by Dubas.
Don't know why Toronto's free agent signings have anything to do with the Jets.
- JetFuel

Maybe Jets don't have any forward prospects that are ready either....that is my point.
People hear rave on endlessly about Maurice not playing the kids. Leafs are much the same.

Maybe Jets don't have any forward prospects that are ready either....that is my point.
People hear rave on endlessly about Maurice not playing the kids. Leafs are much the same.
- bennythehat

Harkins and Appelton don't look like they're ready to play?

Also there's a difference between good veteran signings and meh veteran signings, Thompson and Lewis(or equivalents) would've been good signings the last two seasons, this season they're excessive and not really needed, oh well, they're better then Letestu and Bourque anyway. I can see signing one of them but not both.

Harkins and Appelton don't look like they're ready to play?

Also there's a difference between good veteran signings and meh veteran signings, Thompson and Lewis(or equivalents) would've been good signings the last two seasons, this season they're excessive and not really needed, oh well, they're better then Letestu and Bourque anyway. I can see signing one of them but not both.
- JetFuel

Time will tell.....

Pretty sure I heard JoMo interviewed a little while ago before training camp started and he said the extended time off gave him time to rehab an injury or train properly or something, he did seem to be nursing an injury at times last season, hopefully he rebounds, I'm not worried about it myself though, think it's pretty low down the list of worries for this club.
- JetFuel

I think he may also have pulled the ole “got to big” routine, and had to lean down a bit as the season got rolling

Time will tell.....
- bennythehat

Time will tell what? We know right now that Thompson is the worst NHL contracted forward in the organization.

Harkins-Lewis-Appleton works just fine in a Roslovic-less world. That’s fine. Thompson cannot have a place in the lineup if we want to win, both from a performance and philosophical standpoint

Maybe Jets don't have any forward prospects that are ready either....that is my point.
People hear rave on endlessly about Maurice not playing the kids. Leafs are much the same.
- bennythehat

It’s more of a Chevy problem. If Chevy really believes in the kids that he has drafted and is currently “developing”, he would not sign these veterans. Rather he would force Maurice to play the young kids. Chevy has no confidence in the scouting staff, the development staff and in my opinion has no confidence in himself! That’s what prevents him from making trades, signing free agents, and doing tasks that other GM’s are able to do. It also causes him to regularly take days off. The more I watch him, the more of a mess I see.

I trailed off a bit. My bad.
At the time of signing, Morrissey’s deal was just fine. This is true. However, he took a huge and inexplicable step back last season. In the way that his impact on other players also fell off, which is the main concern. You can have a drop on a worse team, but being visibly less intelligent on the ice is a huge red flag to me. It also gives me hope he can bounce back, as it is so random.
- Rexypoo

Said it before, and I'll say it again, it sometimes takes a year to get over a major injury. Morrissey missed a lot of time the year before, and not sure he ever recovered fully. Plus, let's face it, there was a huge turnover on the b-line last season, as you know.
A player does not lose his intelligence overnight, or ever. You have it, you have it.

Time will tell what? We know right now that Thompson is the worst NHL contracted forward in the organization.

Harkins-Lewis-Appleton works just fine in a Roslovic-less world. That’s fine. Thompson cannot have a place in the lineup if we want to win, both from a performance and philosophical standpoint
- Rexypoo

Would think the 4th line would be Harkins-Thompson-Perreault, but hoping that they find a home for Perrreault before the season and it's Harkins-Thompson-Appleton.

Every team needs a gritty veteran on the 3rd/4th line and I am happy to see Thompson on the squad, brings some much needed sandpaper.. Not so much Lewis. Too much like Bourque/Shore/Whoever IMO. A little of a lot, but not much of anything. I would cut Lewis loose!

It’s more of a Chevy problem. If Chevy really believes in the kids that he has drafted and is currently “developing”, he would not sign these veterans. Rather he would force Maurice to play the young kids. Chevy has no confidence in the scouting staff, the development staff and in my opinion has no confidence in himself! That’s what prevents him from making trades, signing free agents, and doing tasks that other GM’s are able to do. It also causes him to regularly take days off. The more I watch him, the more of a mess I see.
- TheUltimateJet

Chevy does not have the authority or autonomy that most other GMs in the league have.
I would bet you 100% that he did not negotiate Maurice’s extension, I would bet you 100% that all these vet scrubs (Hendricks, Thompson, Bitetto, etc) are all signings to appease Maurice, I guarantee you if Chevy went to Chipman about a Wheeler for Stone trade that Chipman says no, and I guarantee you if sh*t goes totally sideways next year and the Jets finish dead last... Chevy is fired before Maurice.

Paul Maurice has the absolute support of Chipman, and Chevy doesn’t. That’s what’s happening.