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ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 2:29 PM ET
Our 4th line is one of our biggest advantages.. they can put those guys out there against any line and often put them out to get the team going after giving up a goal. Any player in NHL making $1.5 is not a big deal to me... it's like when everyone went nuts when we signed Mayfield for 1.45 .. Leo is an issue b/c he makes $3 mill a year.
- niteislander


We need the top 6 to be the teams biggest advantage. The 4th line is not getting us past Tampa. All these deals add up and hurt the Cap. I probably did not love the Mayfield deal but he was a lot younger and a dman with size. Barry and his system has deal the deal look a lot better.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 5 @ 3:24 PM ET
If true, it’s more than I would like in $$$ and term. This coming from a MM fan.
Again if true and also would like to know if it’s a 1 way or 2 way deal and all the particulars, not believing this. If true Lou’s taking care of one of his soldiers.

- nyisles7

Yep taking care of one of his soldiers but not taking care of the best interests of the team.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 5 @ 3:29 PM ET
Take the successful results and leave it at that
The team he put together worked. I’m over the deals Lou signed two summers ago. I think that discussion has been best to death on here.
That said, I don’t like the deal if true as stated by Friedman.

- nyisles7

The results are the results but let’s be honest or at the very least show some semblance of common sense here. The way the cap is now and where Martin is in his career this is if true a moronic deal. You can’t keep doing stupid crap like this. We traded away toews sorry that’s not optimum when you sign kuhnackl and Martin while also having Leo Komarov signed for another two years. Those three players alone comprise more salary and term then toews. If Boychuck didn’t retire we would’ve been absolutely (frank)ed. That gave us some space to utilize it this way is to me stupid. Can’t wait to see the Kuhnackl contract numbers
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 5 @ 3:31 PM ET
Our 4th line is one of our biggest advantages.. they can put those guys out there against any line and often put them out to get the team going after giving up a goal. Any player in NHL making $1.5 is not a big deal to me... it's like when everyone went nuts when we signed Mayfield for 1.45 .. Leo is an issue b/c he makes $3 mill a year.
- niteislander

Two years ago.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 3:36 PM ET
The results are the results but let’s be honest or at the very least show some semblance of common sense here. The way the cap is now and where Martin is in his career this is if true a moronic deal. You can’t keep doing stupid crap like this. We traded away toews sorry that’s not optimum when you sign kuhnackl and Martin while also having Leo Komarov signed for another two years. Those three players alone comprise more salary and term then toews. If Boychuck didn’t retire we would’ve been absolutely (frank)ed. That gave us some space to utilize it this way is to me stupid. Can’t wait to see the Kuhnackl contract numbers
- Cptmjl


Islanders have to start prioritizing skill. It cannot just be about grit. Islanders leave themselves very little room for error without more talent. It's a lot of pressure on the D and goalies. You have to be able to win playing any style and the offense is lacking.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 5 @ 3:57 PM ET
Islanders have to start prioritizing skill. It cannot just be about grit. Islanders leave themselves very little room for error without more talent. It's a lot of pressure on the D and goalies. You have to be able to win playing any style and the offense is lacking.
- ses111

Martin was great in the playoffs I’ll be the first one to say it. I like the guy. I’ve been a fan of his since he started with the team. With that said Martin like the rest of the fourth line was pretty much useless last season. Between injuries, no grit, physical play, defensively terrible you name it. The writing seems to be on the wall for Martin and for that matter the rest of that line. That’s not when you double down and sign the guy to a four year contract
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 4:03 PM ET
Martin was great in the playoffs I’ll be the first one to say it. I like the guy. I’ve been a fan of his since he started with the team. With that said Martin like the rest of the fourth line was pretty much useless last season. Between injuries, no grit, physical play, defensively terrible you name it. The writing seems to be on the wall for Martin and for that matter the rest of that line. That’s not when you double down and sign the guy to a four year contract
- Cptmjl


Martin was great in the playoffs but how much can the 4th have left at this point? Casey already cannot stay healthy. Cal still feel numbness in his left hand. NHL is a different game now. You just do not see this type of 4th line anymore. It's pretty bad when even during a Pandemic Lou is throwing out 4 year deals to MM. It's just not good business and why do you need both MM and Ross? I hate the idea Leo might be on the 3rd line with Pageau.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 4:12 PM ET
Shat signing?
- JohnScammo


I think it might be categorized as that but look how well the team did with the other shat signings
I’m not a fan of the length of the deal. The $ amount I could live with for 2 years but even that’s a bit high. He’s def gonna be with the club in some capacity after he retires.
Hockeyislife
New York Islanders
Joined: 05.29.2018

Jan 5 @ 4:31 PM ET
I like this signing. He is a good player and a big part of this team. If your going to be mad about a contract it’s Andrew Ladd joke contract. This signing is the worst in Islanders history.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 4:37 PM ET
I like this signing. He is a good player and a big part of this team. If your going to be mad about a contract it’s Andrew Ladd joke contract. This signing is the worst in Islanders history.
- Hockeyislife


Probs after Ricky D’s 14 year calamity😀
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 4:44 PM ET
The results are the results but let’s be honest or at the very least show some semblance of common sense here. The way the cap is now and where Martin is in his career this is if true a moronic deal. You can’t keep doing stupid crap like this. We traded away toews sorry that’s not optimum when you sign kuhnackl and Martin while also having Leo Komarov signed for another two years. Those three players alone comprise more salary and term then toews. If Boychuck didn’t retire we would’ve been absolutely (frank)ed. That gave us some space to utilize it this way is to me stupid. Can’t wait to see the Kuhnackl contract numbers
- Cptmjl


The cap not going up in the next couple years certainly makes this look like an over payment and term being too long I have to agree. Again this is coming from a MM fan.
Who knows maybe the league is going to give the teams some kind of relief valve due to COVID because most teams are in the same boat as the Islanders or worse.
Still don’t believe the deal unless I see it from an Islanders press release. Strange it’s out before the Team officially announced it. Not a normal racist old white mans why of running the team.

One good thing is when You Casey and him get beers together he can pay
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jan 5 @ 4:47 PM ET
Arthur Staple
@StapeAthletic
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Further to
@FriedgeHNIC
post on Matt Martin's surprising new deal with #Isles:

Hearing it's four years in the $1.5-million AAV range. Certainly would keep MM here for the rest of his NHL career.

- jimbro83


What in the literal (frank)?
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 4:58 PM ET
What in the literal (frank)?
- Wildschwein




Good question.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 5 @ 5:01 PM ET
The cap not going up in the next couple years certainly makes this look like an over payment and term being too long I have to agree. Again this is coming from a MM fan.
Who knows maybe the league is going to give the teams some kind of relief valve due to COVID because most teams are in the same boat as the Islanders or worse.
Still don’t believe the deal unless I see it from an Islanders press release. Strange it’s out before the Team officially announced it. Not a normal racist old white mans why of running the team.

One good thing is when You Casey and him get beers together he can pay

- nyisles7



I’m a Martin fan also but the guy shouldn’t have been resigned for multiple, blatantly obvious, reasons let alone for four years. That is a laughably bad contract signed at a premium for a player like Martin when star quality players are in some instances being paid half of what they’re worth right now. Complete joke no other way to look at it. Brassard being signed for less for one year makes it even more laughable
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jan 5 @ 5:06 PM ET
I think it might be categorized as that but look how well the team did with the other shat signings
I’m not a fan of the length of the deal. The $ amount I could live with for 2 years but even that’s a bit high. He’s def gonna be with the club in some capacity after he retires.

- nyisles7

He's never retiring. He can't make that kind of money in any capacity other than as a 4th liner who finishes his checks long after the puck has left the zone.

I must admit, the length of that contract leaves me speechless. On the other hand, Lou has made me a believer, and I am still enjoying the Isles' first deep playoff run in more than a quarter century. I'm thinking Lou has maybe inserted some sort of "out" clause in the contract, so that, if necessary, MM gets jettisoned to Robidas Island or front office retirement like a certain back-up goalie who shall remain nameless.

Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jan 5 @ 5:10 PM ET
He's never retiring. He can't make that kind of money in any capacity other than as a 4th liner who finishes his checks long after the puck has left the zone.

I must admit, the length of that contract leaves me speechless. On the other hand, Lou has made me a believer, and I am still enjoying the Isles' first deep playoff run in more than a quarter century. I'm thinking Lou has maybe inserted some sort of "out" clause in the contract, so that, if necessary, MM gets jettisoned to Robidas Island or front office retirement like a certain back-up goalie who shall remain nameless.

- JohnScammo


On an unrelated note; sure is (frank) of a lot of Snow up here at the moment.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jan 5 @ 5:12 PM ET


Good question.

- ses111


Prudent as well me thinks.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan and believer in Lou as well, but... (frank).

BTW, have you broken your swear cherry yet?
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Jan 5 @ 5:15 PM ET
On an unrelated note; sure is (frank) of a lot of Snow up here at the moment.
- Wildschwein



I'm glad I could remind you of your surroundings.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 5:18 PM ET
Prudent as well me thinks.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan and believer in Lou as well, but... (frank).

BTW, have you broken your swear cherry yet?

- Wildschwein







I'm still a fan of Lou as well. I might just show up to his office tomorrow and try to get a 3 year deal.

I'm too shocked at this deal to even swear although I should not be shocked.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 5 @ 5:43 PM ET



I'm still a fan of Lou as well. I might just show up to his office tomorrow and try to get a 3 year deal.

I'm too shocked at this deal to even swear although I should not be shocked.

- ses111

Yeah I mean Matt Martin and his agent are probably shocked also. Who would’ve thought with the league where it is right now and salary cap that any GM would sign a 31 year old former physical player that’s obviously on the wrong side of his career to a contract that’ll pay him till he’s 36.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 5:46 PM ET



I'm still a fan of Lou as well. I might just show up to his office tomorrow and try to get a 3 year deal.

I'm too shocked at this deal to even swear although I should not be shocked.

- ses111


Another FA signing
The Island is attracting them like flys on shat.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 5:46 PM ET
Yeah I mean Matt Martin and his agent are probably shocked also. Who would’ve thought with the league where it is right now and salary cap that any GM would sign a 31 year old former physical player that’s obviously on the wrong side of his career to a contract that’ll pay him till he’s 36.
- Cptmjl




I might have flagged this one by mistake Cpt. There is very little sense to this deal. Does not mean Lou should be fired or the Islanders have no hope. I'm just thrilled Barry is coaching. He is worth every penny and should have gotten a 15 year deal.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 5 @ 5:47 PM ET
Another FA signing
- nyisles7




I'll do my best 7. It might help if I tell Lou I'm a 4th liner.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 5:49 PM ET


I'll do my best 7. It might help if I tell Lou I'm a 4th liner.

- ses111


FA are signing like mad with us. You better hurry up to Northwell first thing in the morning.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 5 @ 5:51 PM ET
Yeah I mean Matt Martin and his agent are probably shocked also. Who would’ve thought with the league where it is right now and salary cap that any GM would sign a 31 year old former physical player that’s obviously on the wrong side of his career to a contract that’ll pay him till he’s 36.
- Cptmjl


31 plus 4 would make him 35 me thinks?
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